24 January 2010

24/01/10 Chat


I felt it would be better to set up a separate page for general chat today.

On this day:

Caligula was assassinated in the year 41 and C-C-C-Claudius succeeds him. in 1679, King Charles II dissolved parliament, although I have no idea why. The massacre of Atocha in Spain happened in 1977 and in 2003 the US Department for Homeland Security swings in to operation.

Born this day: Emporor Hadrian in 76, who built that fantastic wall to keep the English out, William Congreve in 1670, Marguerite Durand in 1864, Desmond Morris in 1928, Neil Diamond in 1941 and Vic Reeves in 1959.

Died on this day: Winston Churchill 1965 (funnily enough on the same day as Lord Randolph Churchill in 1895) L. Ron Hubbard in 1986, Ted Bundy in 1989 and French singer Gerard Blanc in 2009 (sniff! I hadn't realised).

82 comments:

  1. Morning everyone. Sombre day today.

    Hope the Leamington CiF meet went well and people aren't too fragile this morning. I am a bit sluggish from drinking cheap chilean red last night. You'd think the Mayor would have some decent bloody wine at her Ball.

    Was sat at a table with the Tory candidate and his wife. Nice enough couple, not as smarmy as I would have anticipated, but was able to have a bit of a chat about things.

    Haven't looked at CiF yet today. Inclined to agree that it has been swamped with assholes these days. Sigh.

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  3. Morning BB

    Bit fragile but well worth it. Good company and great music. Although Hank may not agree about the music as I don't think we played enough northern soul for his taste.

    We talked about having another meet up in Sheffield - maybe organised around a gig. But open to ideas.

    Will put a couple of pics up in the gallery.

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  4. Morning all. Have just taken a couple of cocodamol and am hoping to feel better soon.

    Excellent night last night!

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  5. Hehe, nice pics, Sheff! If I can convince this piece of crap to run the phone interface installation software or find my bluetooth dongle I may post some too.

    If Hank's not around for a few days, it's 'cos his puter has died. BW and I have diagnosed it as a failed power supply, so it might be easy to remedy.

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  6. How was it then folks? Did class warfare manifest in a violent pub brawl or did Hank discover a deep and profound love for rugger (and indeed "rugger buggers").

    Thaum, dunno Leinster score, only watched first half, but they have an amazing team. This is why Irish and Welsh teams seem to be doing so well now, they have a few elite clubs/regions? that are packed with their internationals, i think English and Scottish clubs are spread too thin to compete (and the fact that we dont really have any good players anymore, obviously). Your new boy Healy got binned for a punch though.

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  7. http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/jan/24/idris-elba-interview-the-wire

    interesting interview with Stringer Bell for any Wire fans

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  8. It was a cracking evening and no fights apart from a few disagreements on what does or doesn't constitute good music.

    Wasn't actually watching the rugger, but jumped up every once in a while to check the scores. Munser won on Friday, Ulster won (but sadly didn't get the bonus point - only 3 tries!) and Leinster drew.

    Ospreys also won in a brilliant match (saw second half) - the commentator was hoping the game would never end! Bit of a controversy, though, as they had 16 men on the pitch at one point ... not sure what's going to happen with that.

    Will be watching Cardiff later on.

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  9. Good stuff. The hotel idea makes these forays into the northern wilds much more practical actually (given notice enough to budget). But Sheffield? Thats virtually in Scotland! Actually I have a an old friend in Sheffield who it would be very handy to have an excuse for staying over at, so Sheffield would be fine with me.

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  11. It was a crcking night. It was a bit like going back in time at moments: some great rants about politics, there were Greenham and Molesworth stories, and that and the disputes over sport and music made it like being in someone's kitchen at an East London house party full of squaters, students and community workers in 1983. And then I find our Sheff knows Mrs Bitterweed's brother really well. How cool is that ? I didn't get quite as drunk as I expected, but still managed to tip the cabbie five quid. Hank can be quite sceptical of people but he let that one go. We then realised that we didn't have a corkscrew to open the bottle of wine Thauma very kindly gave us as we left, probably a good thing. I was pretty 'tired' by then.

    Hope there wasn't too much damage Thauma, it was great fun !

    Jay come to the Sheffield gig mate, it'll be a riot.

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  12. No damage at all, BW, no-one even broke a glass!

    The other excellent bit is that we all smoke. How often these days does that happen?

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  13. BW/Thauma

    It was a great night - I think we have the makings of some truly excellent get togethers if yesterday is anything to go by. Musical tastes pretty harmonious, except for Hank of course - but then he's just an old contrarian.

    Jay - no excuses for next time - we'll make sure you don't regret it.

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  14. Glad to hear fun was had by all last night.

    BB,

    Haven't looked at CiF yet today. Inclined to agree that it has been swamped with assholes these days. Sigh.

    Yeah, I've decided to jack it in.

    It was a couple of areas last week which made me think whats the point?

    On the Orr thread, I was arguing with a foaming poster whose argument was 100% anecdotal and to whom I had supplied various pieces of evidence to support my argument. It was all dismissed as ''leftist bullshit'' despite coming from eurostat and other areas. At no point, despite my requests, could this poster deliver one piece of evidence to back up their argument.

    I see same poster is on the Ellen thread today banging on about the underclass in the usual cack handed way and has received 85 recommends and counting.

    On top of this, on the Orr thread another poster claimed the evidence was spurious, to which I proved him categorically wrong. They ignored that and continued to argue the same point.

    I was also modded for bringing up the ''commenter of the year's'' breathtakingly insensitive attitude towards the Haiti disaster.

    CiF has become another speakYourBranes site. Pure and simple. It's the Mail site with added Islington liberal editorial hubris.

    I salute the effectiveness of the kneejerk Right's blanket campaign on CiF. They've destroyed what element of debate there was by the simple application of spouting spurious, evidence free, bigoted posts relentlessly.

    So as regards CiF, I won't be posting my my insignificant comments anymore and to paraphrase Duncan Bannatyne:

    ''I don't like the product, I don't think it's any good, it's not a viable debating site and I'm no so keen on futile arguing. And for that reason, I'm out.''

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  15. 13thDukeofWybourne
    Couldn't agree more mate. And it's even worse when you realise that his is an outcome of a deliberate editorial strategy. I think we sorted this out between wine buckets thirteen and fourteen last night. Hope you stick around here though mate. We need you !

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  16. Don't go yer Dukeness! You and the crew are one of the very +++ thing's about Cif! It would be a less joyous place without your presence!

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  17. Ah c'mon, Duke, I hope you're just feeling all Scottish and grumpy-like.

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  18. Your Grace

    Agree with BW and Turminder - it's a hell hole more often than not these days - have a break from it but don't leave us! We really do need you and you definitely add to the joy of life.

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  19. ASlthough to be the floating voter, since I'm not being paid to sit and look at Cif all day , I don't post much off WADDYA, for the reasons you outline.. Might change if the job starts again in April...

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  20. Hey Sheff
    Drop me a line at hardbjorn@googlemail.com when you have a moment I fancy a natter about my inlaws !

    I'm off out now to buy a new door for the study. I locked myself in the other night, pissed and had to kick the fucker down. Worth it though. I found some cracking tunes, and never did like that door anyway.

    See you around yeah ?!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn0riyNCHKk

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  21. Glad the get-together went well, although the photo posted so far is conveniently just a collection of smears and smudges in roughly human shapes, so it seems your anonymities have been cunningly preserved.

    Not sure whether that means it happened or not.

    I was going to send some bottles of wine, some cigars, a load of food, a yacht, a three-ring circus, a display by the Red Arrows and a small country full of willing natives, but I ended up fucking about instead.

    Anyway, I thought if I cannot mention it at least twenty times on WADDYA and get a small slot on Channel 4 News, what's the point?

    It's not all about you, after all.

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  22. I did mean to say I'll be sticking around here whether you want me to or not!

    Sheff,

    Agree with BW and Turminder - it's a hell hole more often than not these days

    I don't even mind a hell-hole as long as arguments can occasionally be substantiated with evidence. Obviously it's impossible every time to do so, but the kneejerk shit being posted, it's mindless, completely mindless and relentless.

    Anyroads, I'm sticking around here and for me that's the main thing.

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  23. BW - will do

    Atomboy
    I was going to send some bottles of wine, some cigars, a load of food, a yacht, a three-ring circus, a display by the Red Arrows and a small country full of willing natives, but I ended up fucking about instead.

    LOL! AB. There's always the next knees up in Sheffield which should give you plenty of time - although, on balance, I think we'd all prefer your presence. Just for the record, what are your musical tastes? this is a key issue.

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  24. Sheffpixie

    Oh, fook it, I didn't know I was going to be called to interview and I haven't prepared anything. I knew I'd fail at the first hurdle.

    I don't actually follow music very much. I like things like Grandaddy and The Waterboys and Peter Gabriel and Neil Young from the modern era and something like Gluck and Bach and Mahler from the steam age, but I'll lsuten to anything and not glass anyone over it, honest.

    My sister used to take me to classical concerts when I was a child and I was always scared that I would just start shouting nonsense during the quiet bits, so I could do that if you think it would help.

    I think it unlikely that Atomgirl would let me out on licence for long enough to get to Sheffield and if she did she might not want me back again.

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  25. I know, Your Grace. Part of me says that I should just throw in the towel, but another part of me thinks that if I do that, the assholes have won. It really is frustrating beyond belief at the moment though.

    The fact that MAM can be voted as commenter of the year speaks fekkin volumes.

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  26. Knees up in Sheffield! Woohoo! I will have to try and get my act together for that.

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  27. Flying visit, but a big thanks to thauma for sorting out last night & to everyone there for a really good time.

    Back later.

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  28. BB, I've always admired your indefagitability in the immigration threads but I think when faced with constnat and increasing mindless intransigence there comes a point where you say ''Why don't I just switch off CiF and go and do something less boring instead?'' to quote kids classic ''Why don't you?''

    Has anyone seen RedNorth's riposte to the knuckledraggers on the Barbara Ellen thread? Outstanding, and the pay off line is genius. Here it is:


    Excellent article.

    You can see how effectively you've skewered the right wing bigots by how much they wriggle and writhe and contribute hysterical posts calling for ever more punitive measures against children. Big men these, ya know? Just give 'em a chance and they'd be more than willing to 'pull the lever' and dispatch some more scum off to eternity.

    Remember the Bulger trial? the baying mob of incoherent spittle-flecked morons attacking the van? I wondered who these latter day lynch-mob members were. Now I know. Cif posters before cif gave a platform to any ignorant slob with a keyboard.

    If it wasn't such a serious issue, it would be amusing to see these Tory Boys disowning their own inheritance. For so long they've been telling us how Thatcher saved Britain and changed it forever. Now, in their desperate attempts to distance themselves from the long term consequences of her policies, they deny she had any effect whatsoever! Or, apparently, it ended the moment she left office.

    I look forward to them posting on cif in 30 years time, when our grandchildren are blaming Brown for the underfunded services and massive debts they're still paying off. "How can you blame Brown, he's been out of office for 20 years FFS" they'll screech.

    Can you see it? No, nor can I.

    We live in a Britain built buy their gurus - Thatcher, Friedman, Blair. Industry was unimportant - unemployment was a price worth paying so the South East could enjoy prosperity, low inflation, and booming property prices. They wrecked Britain's social cohesion on an ideological crusade to destroy any vestige of resistance to their 'greed is good' mantra. The very communities that nurtured respect, good work-ethics, and law-abiding citizens were sacrificed in pursuit of their neoliberal dystopia.

    These are the Sid and Nancys of Thatcher's Britain - those who gobbled up the good times while the other half of Britain rotted to subsidise it. What did they care about the millions of jobless in the north? what did they care about the 60% of industrial jobs lost in the north? The north was 'elsewhere', full of cloth capped expendable whippet breeders. Now they swirl around in their own poison, trying to outdo each other with the language of hate and ignorance. Little wonder our society produces children such as these two when British adults display such an incapacity for nuanced thought and reason. Their manners are tearing off heads with hemp, eugenics, sterilisation - all their depraved imaginations rendered for posterity in glorious Times New Roman.

    Oh, and if you see Sid, tell him to go fuck himself.

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  29. Duke
    Yeh clocked that a while back. And where the fuck does Bangorstu's key go ? It needs removing.

    On a more general level, I'd just like to say GET IN STOKE !!!

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  30. Thanks for the pointer Your Grace - and yes, brilliant post - the graun should give him a gig - be great to have that kind of passion atl and with luck would give the frothing rightwingers apoplexy.

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  31. "The other excellent bit is that we all smoke. How often these days does that happen?"

    Count me in.

    Regarding the halfwits on the CiF boards, bear in mind we'll shortly have a Tory government, so thats at least half the comments gone (Election now!" - "Brown out!" - "socialism fails again!") and instead of attacking the hardcore 'left' that is New Labour they'll have to be defending Tory policies (which will be largely the same policies they've been berating) - thats quite a big change coming up.

    Though there is obviously a vague hope for a hung parliament, which would be fantastic. If it happens i'll be making a special new moniker just to abuse Call me Dave for days on end.

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  32. Is the logical outcome that 'we' right thinking, compassionate souls will end up trolling on the torygraph and daily mail sites?

    if you know edinburgh, you may know this guy...


    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=263151297474

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  33. "Though there is obviously a vague hope for a hung parliament, which would be fantastic."

    Seconded.

    Get the Independent on Sunday today ? Excellent article on PFI.

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  34. Turminder

    The problem with that is either you have the Daily Heil which is set up in such a way that threads are incoherent, or you have the Times where they decide what comment is printed and what isn't. I have never once succeeded in having a comment printed on there.

    One thing that I have also noticed about the Times is that every time there is a thread about immigration, it is infested with BNP types - which presumably the Times must be permitting after premod. WTF!

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  35. Aye, BB i avoid the Times on principle.. I heard the BNP have a freepost address,

    From facebook

    "The BNP has just got a freepost address:

    "British Heritage FREEPOST"

    I am stating this for public information only and do not surport mass mailing of this address.


    please also look at:
    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=265107473474&ref=mf"

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  37. Wybourne

    Although I agree with you about CiF, the advice Summerisle gave me was simply that if you do not post, you are giving the Tory scum a free shot.

    Rednorth (quoted above) said that he/she regarded it as a moral duty to counter the propaganda from the state or the media or any other source which gets uncritically consumed and belched and farted back out to be absorbed again by some peculiar osmosis.

    I decided to stay but keep changing my name because I did not want to be regarded as either a pundit or guru or dribbling, lollygagging yokel but just part of the anonymous soup.

    However, your point raises the question of whether there will be a need for a public forum for what we might call the broad liberal left, assuming that New Labour goes up like a Winterval tree chucked on the bonfire in just a few months' time.

    I would imagine the Matt Seaton All Stars will be looking like this for some time.

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  38. Atomboy,

    However, your point raises the question of whether there will be a need for a public forum for what we might call the broad liberal left, assuming that New Labour goes up like a Winterval tree chucked on the bonfire in just a few months' time.

    My decision as outlined above is not motivated by ''they're are saying things I disagree with therefore they shouldn't be allowed'', not at all. I've always held admiration for the likes of EvilTory, PatDavers, WheatfromChaff, Pikey etc and a forum without differing political viewpoints is no forum at all. Same goes for PeterBracken. I don't agree with almost anything he says but he expresses himself well and there's some thought gone into his posts.

    It's the infestation of the scummy, kneejerk, unthinking posters that drives me bananas. They hijack the threads, knock off course any kind of rational discussion and get everyone's backs up. And I include the ''commenter of the year'' in that category.

    Anyway, Jay made a good point above. I may just wait until the Tories win and then have a look and see if CiF is worthwhile contributing to again.

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  39. Another brief visit…

    First off, condolences, sympathy and best wishes to Alisdair.

    Second, glad those of you who met up last night had a good one, though I’m a little disappointed that apparently no one disgraced themselves. Or is it just that what happened in Leamington Spa stays in Leamington Spa?

    And third and last (for now), 13D:

    I think I pretty much agree with your decision about not giving CiF the benefit of your contributions, at least for the time being.

    I don’t know if the “scummy, kneejerk, unthinking posters” have necessarily got significantly worse in recent months, largely because I very rarely ventured there in recent times, even before I lost (or abandoned really) my easy internet access.

    But as JCC almost said (and I can’t do a link coz I can’t access fucking youtube on this work computer:

    “It fucking gets you fucking down, evidently CiF”

    Untrusted, on the other hand, continues to do the business. I might even find the time soon to be more than a one-post-wonder (and there’s an opportunity to post a link to The Adverts going a begging. Bloody security settings…)

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  40. Wybourne

    I did not think those were your motives at all, but I tend to keep wondering what type of open space is needed for discussion.

    CiF obviously has the facility to provide a lot of articles in an almost continuous flow, to feed the unlimited supply of people who could just turn up.

    The problem is, once somewhere becomes a free-for-all, it tends to be inevitable that it will follow a course of decline.

    Think of a country pub which gradually becomes more and more popular until it is transformed into a heaving, seething town pub, plonked inappropriately next to a field and a cart-track. With Matt Seaton as the big-headed, smart-alec, surly and confrontational landlord with a right-on agenda, it is doomed to failure once the customers get fed up with the louts and noise and incipient violence.

    I am not sure about the capability of the internet to actually do anything useful any more and was really just idly pondering and looking for thoughts.

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  42. Oh, just another quick thought.

    The problem is also that as CiF becomes more and more an uncritical and witless propaganda mechanism, the more that the only answer to that is really just counter-propaganda.

    As the election looms and then squats ready to dump over all of us, expect nothing more than sloganeering and cheering and red-faced, bulging-eyed, clenched-fisted jeering.

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  43. If anyone has got G.O.L.D on sky or cable, they are just about to start a programme about Tony Hancock on the normal channel and Les Dawson on G.O.L.D + 1

    w00t!

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  44. Think of a country pub which gradually becomes more and more popular until it is transformed into a heaving, seething town pub, plonked inappropriately next to a field and a cart-track. With Matt Seaton as the big-headed, smart-alec, surly and confrontational landlord with a right-on agenda, it is doomed to failure once the customers get fed up with the louts and noise and incipient violence.

    Cracking metaphor.

    With the fag end of this Labour Government cheerleaded by the Graun, CiF was always going to attract loons and Tory activists who assume because it says 'Labour' in the title, it must be socialist in some way.

    The Graun's agenda after the election will be interesting. Will it continue to be the mouthpiece of the most discredited political party in living memory (think the Tories 1997 x 100) or will they seek an alternative voice.

    Nothing, despite everything that has happened in the last two years- Bank bailout, MP's expenses, promise of electoral reform etc etc has changed and the Guardian's involvement with NL means they are as guilty media wise of maintaining the status quo as the other 'organs'.

    Andysays, nice to see you again.

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  45. About the election btw - I was offered an insiders view that it would be early May and I believe some politico (I missed who it was) has just let slip that it would be May 6th.

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  46. Thanks Sheff

    Wonder whether it is too late to organise national street parties.

    Oh, but there won't be anything to celebrate, will there?

    How about just pelt all the bastards with rotten vegetables and faeces-clogged nappies?

    The choice here is between incumbent Con and wishful LibDem, so I will draw up a little grid and practice drawing my cross in the LibDem box.

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  47. Evening all - glad you had a good time at the meet-up and that nothing got broken.

    Sheff - forget the name, but a minister on the radio made a reference to it being "a mistake if people vote for the Tories on May 6th", so presume Mandy is getting out the thumbscrews now.

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  48. ...and have just booked tickets for my trip back in May (Pavement curate ATP, hip hip) but that'll be the following Tuesday, so I will be able to see for myself whether the country has in fact exploded as a result...

    So if anyone's around the London area then, do cheep...

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  49. Glad a good time was had by all out last night. A Sheffield meet eh? Sounds good to me - I think even my weary ass can drag itself just down the road! Thauma - your hound is a lovely looking beastie I have to say!

    13thDuke and others - there was some depressing stats in the Observer today. It seems that the country has moved 'significantly to the right' under New Labour. Before 97 nearly half of all people thought wealth should be redistributed now less than a third do. Lovely eh.

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  50. Oh, it was Ainsworth was it. Grim times ahead. Am still uncertain who I'll vote for but if its the Lib Dems it'll be for the first time in my life. Would rather amputate both hands than vote tory, or NuLab for that matter.

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  51. Atomboy - heh heh, yes I like the photos so far!

    Thanks for all the thought-pressies. We'll retroactively thought-toast you.

    Duke - glad you're at least staying around here, but I hope you get over your hump and back onto Cif. It's just more fun with you there.

    Sheff

    Just for the record, what are your musical tastes? this is a key issue.

    Just no fucking country, OK?

    Right, only caught up this far - will post this and carry on.

    Meanwhile here's a bit of Robbie (no, not *that* one).

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  52. Sheff - with the possibility of a hung parliament in the offing, depending on your constituency (natch) a libdem vote could contribute to the hilarity. Because if there is a hung parliament, I really can't see either main party being grown up enough to realise that you have to make some compromises to recruit a junior partner.

    If the result is hung, my (optimistic) prediction would be a six month interregnum while the Tories (probably) scrabble aroundd for sufficient support without giving up the necessary, and, finding themselves in hock to the unionists and various other smaller groups (UKIP - not out of the question) there is another election in November. By which time, with a bit of luck, they would have stopped throwing their toys out of their top-of-the-range pram and might actually get something done.

    This will help when PR (which I think would be a sticking point) is actually introduced. AFter centuries of yelling at each other, they're going to have to learn to work together. This will not be a simple or quick process...

    And Charles II dissolved parliament to try to stop impeachment proceedings against one of his buds - which went about as well as all his other stand-ups against Parliament, which just carried on regardless.

    I wonder what would happen if brenda just said "right, you lot, if you can't play nice, I'm taking over".

    Much as it pains mee, it can't be any worse than what we have at the minute.

    Right - Smiley on iplayback - wine open - mmmmmm....

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  53. Andy

    glad those of you who met up last night had a good one, though I’m a little disappointed that apparently no one disgraced themselves. Or is it just that what happened in Leamington Spa stays in Leamington Spa?

    Well, Hank's reputation is shot. He was a perfect gentleman.

    Philippa - Mandy will defect to the Tories when they win.

    I too will be voting LibDem or possibly Greens. But I do want a hung parliament, so probably the former despite some slightly disturbing blog posts in the last couple of months on Cif.

    Thanks Princess - yours are lovely too, I must say! Sheff has offered to give the dog a bed if we come to Sheffield (but mind you, we were pissed so I'll allow her to retract). So we could have group walkies if we're not all too hung over.

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  54. Ahahahahah!

    I rock!

    I knew it was about Blair

    Blair will take his place amid intense security, with mass protests expected in Westminster. Sources close to Scotland Yard said Blair's appearance had been a major factor behind the government's decision to raise the terror threat level from "substantial" to "severe".

    Intelligence operatives had picked up "domestic chatter" that had given them reason to believe his appearance before the inquiry required a higher state of alert. "We are gearing up for Blair," said the source."

    So the "heightened security threat" has nothing to do with Al Qaeda and everything to do with the number of Brits wanting to lynch Blair. They are using the terrorist threat against us again, exactly the same as they did in the run up to the Feb 2003 protest march.

    They really do think we are muppets, don't they?

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  55. To be fair, BB, if they've worked out that large numbers of people want to do damage to ol' Antony Charles Lynton, that does say something for the ability of the babylon to identify a 'credible threat'...

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  56. plus, I'm having that picture of hadrian's wall. will endeavour to have picture up by the end of the week...

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  57. Although on balance I'd prefer a hung parliament it does give some of the smaller nuttier parties more clout - you know, the old king maker thing. but then there's always a price to pay I suppose.

    I heard (I think) some talk about the DUP and the UUP forming a new single party. Anyone else heard similar - or am I imagining things? I often do!

    Thauma

    Saoirse still most welcome here - I might even try and bribe her to stay. :-))

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  58. Thauma

    PS: You're right about Hank - he was a perfect gent. It's going to hard for him to re-build his curmudgeonly rep now.

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  59. So the "heightened security threat" has nothing to do with Al Qaeda and everything to do with the number of Brits wanting to lynch Blair.

    Here's a question. Is this "domestic chatter" (assuming it's true) from disillusioned Labour voters, ex-socialists, and manic Tories or should we also throw 'Islamist terrorists' into the mix? Perhaps Al Qaeda also have something against Blair. Or perhaps the likes of monnie and poorlittlechicken are going to abandon Cif for a day or two, and throw a few bus-bombs into the mix? Muppets, indeed.

    Another question. Since when have 'sources close to Scotland Yard' (as reported by the Guardian) been uncritically accepted as credible in this neck of the woods? Have I missed something?

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  60. To add to the observations about Hank, the git also looked perfectly ok this morning as well, like he hadn't been anywhere near a bunch of howling lefties on a Broken-Britain scale ten hour boozathon. I, frankly, on the other hand looked like a bag of shit and still do. Bed soon %-)

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  61. Hehe - good point Scherf.

    But as soon as it was announced I said it was more likely to be to do with Blair appearing in front of Chilcott - my view was that is was more likely to frighten us into thinking we were all going to be slaughtered in our beds and what a good man that Blair was for saving us from those evil Iraqis.

    I think they are over-estimating the propensity of the average Joe to do anything about it though - there aren't likely to be riots on the streets until The Sun goes out of business, they quadruple the cost of a pint of Stella and X Factor and Strictly Come Dancing are banned...

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  62. Excuse my ignorance people, but how do you pronounce Saoirse?
    *embarassed*

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  63. BB,

    I have no idea either but I'm going for a Sean Connery style- ''Shorsh''

    scherf

    Since when have 'sources close to Scotland Yard' (as reported by the Guardian) been uncritically accepted as credible in this neck of the woods? Have I missed something?

    Come on that's a bit harsh, that Brazilian plumber was muslim looking was he not??

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  64. [ˈsiːɾʃə]

    Irish Gaelic word for freedom.


    Duke, Scotland Yard sources are appareently a 'movable feast'. They can be believed implicitly if they fit your political narrative, and dismissed as nonsense if they don't. Everybody wins!

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  65. BeautifulBurnout

    So the "heightened security threat" has nothing to do with Al Qaeda and everything to do with the number of Brits wanting to lynch Blair.

    I think you will find that as credibility and belief flap away from the corpse of truth with regard to The War on Terror, the plan will be to make all crimes and offences acts of terrorism.

    In this way, shoplifting will soon become "terrorism on retail stock" and murder will be "an individual, isolated act of terrorism not thought to be connected with any known terrorist group" and benefits cheats will be "hardened and co-ordinated, well-funded terrorist organisations intent on creating worldwide financial meltdown."

    Bankers, on the other hand, will be "glorious freedom-fighters at the vanguard of protecting our liberties and the American* (*here substitute the name of the American colony to which you belong) way of life."

    thaumaturge

    I am prepared to do a deal whereby you agree that although the meet-up took place, it did not happen in the way you remembered.

    Cunt ???

    Is this the new shorthand for shitdribble?

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  66. BB - fine job on the ATL bit today, btw!

    Well, scherfig's got it right as usual. It's pronounced seer-sheh. Or, if you're from other bits of the island, sor-sheh. (I go with the former.) The mister has never been able to work it out and just calls her 'Sheesh'.

    BW - I heard Hank had a bit of a job waking you up this morn! The bastard did look annoyingly non-hung-over.

    Song for BW - in memory of the dancing ... nothing more sinister!

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  67. Atomboy - that post rocked.

    I am prepared to do a deal whereby you agree that although the meet-up took place, it did not happen in the way you remembered.

    That is entirely possible, although I think we all have the same fuzzy memories of it being wonderful. I have some clearer pics but do not have the technology to upload them without going to the attic and finding the bluetooth dongle. And that ain't happening tonight: according to Victorian literature, mad women live in the attic, and I'm not up for it.

    Cunt = shorthand for Tony Blair. Cf Jay Reilly, banning from Cif.

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  68. Hehe, Google search for "tony blair" cunt returns about 36.5k results.

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  69. thaumaturge

    About three years ago, you could Google "liar" and the first chunk of results that came back were all Tony Blair.

    They changed the algorithm because the publicity got so bad - and because little Tony went to bed weeping each night in case God was looking and wouldn't let him into wonderful heaven.

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  70. Here's to all our Scottish friends for tomorrow night. Sláinte!

    Some hae meat and canna eat,
    And some wad eat that want it,
    But we hae meat and we can eat,
    And sae the Lord be thankit.

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  71. Atomboy

    Just like, a few years ago, if you googled "weapons of mass destruction", you got this.

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  73. And in a few years, if you ask permission from the work-unit Kapo if you can Google anything, you will get an image of a fifty-feet high bronze statue of Dave, with martial music in the background and the slogan:

    Work sets you free

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  74. Giyus must have been reading your mind Atomboy - his new monicker is Groomed4GlobalGulag

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  75. I know, Sheff.

    I like Guyus, although I have to say I never read him with a light and happy heart.

    It is more of a feeling of duty.

    Never quite the same when he does not keep popping up, though.

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  76. Atomboy - scary scenario, but more likely under a further reign of New Labour, I think. The Tories just don't seem that organised.

    Although once Mandy defects....

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  77. Would you look at the time!

    Dozed off for a while, but going up for proper sleep now.

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  78. thaumaturge

    Yeah, meh.

    Fuck me, I'm noticing that everything I write is just a trite, glib piece of drive-by, snapshot propaganda.

    And the election hasn't even got properly underway yet!

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  79. Yeah, me too - both nodding off and time for bed.

    Night.

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