14 May 2009
Daily Chat 14/05/09
Jamestown, the first permanent colony of Europeans in what would become the United States, was founded on this day in 1607. In 1796, Edward Jenner administered the first smallpox vaccination. And on this day in 1948, Israel was declared an independent state. Celebrating birthdays today: Francesca Annis, David Byrne, Ian Astbury, and Cate Blanchett. It is National Unification Day in Liberia.
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And on this day in 1948, Israel was declared an independent state.
ReplyDeletegonna be a busy busy crew moderating cif for a few days
True dat.
ReplyDeleteWhat was Israel before it was declared an independent state?
ReplyDeleteIs there such a thing as a "dependent state"?
Who declared Israel a state, and on what authority?
Could the same declaring entity today declare the area encompassed within a 100-mile radius of your house an independent state? Called Bogusland, perhaps?
If not, why not?
If it did, and force-filled the new independent state with new Bogusland citizens, perhaps relieving you of your house and land and giving them to a new citizen (while you were demoted to second-class citizen, at best) in the process, what recourse would you have to fighting that?
Forgetting about Israel itself, and substituting a hypothetical Bogusland in its place, anyone who supports the right of Bogusland to exist, supports the right of the declaring authority to declare the same thing where you live, and the right of the newly-declared state to steal your property and treat you like scum.
ReplyDelete"If it did, and force-filled the new independent state with new Bogusland citizens, perhaps relieving you of your house and land and giving them to a new citizen (while you were demoted to second-class citizen, at best) in the process, what recourse would you have to fighting that?"
ReplyDeleteI only ask because something akin to that happened in Warsaw and other places in the 1940s.
Oh God are we going to get IP flamewars all day?
ReplyDeleteDavid Byrne v Tina Weymouth. Far more interesting.
ReplyDelete"Oh God are we going to get IP flamewars all day?"
ReplyDeleteYes, my son.
Morning all. 1st day of 2nd Test vs Windies today at the Riverside... if the weather holds. Wonder if Chris Gayle will even bother turning up?
ReplyDeleteSome charming comments on the Sandy Buchan thread. He's a bit of a happy clappy alright, but I think on the evidence of CiF alone we could predict a 99% vote for the BNP next elections. From a four percent turnout...
ReplyDelete@BW:
ReplyDeleteThat HammerOfDawn (suitably Wagner-esque handle) is popping up all over the place at the moment, isn't he?
There's a lot more racism around in the UK than meets the eye. Always has been. Britons are not nowadays as overt as they once were, but it's still there. Go to any pub in any provincial town on a Friday night and there'll always be a couple of white blokes talking about Muslims, taxi drivers, "I'm not being funny but if they don't like it over here" etc etc.
Chris Gayles comments are very interesting, the game is well on the road to football hell. Footballers dont give a shit about playing for their country anymore because of the big club money and now cricket is going that way too.
ReplyDelete@jay:
ReplyDeleteChris Gayle's comments are depressing. I was sorry for Windies cricket and its infrastructure when that con artist Stanford's business went tits up, but part of me was glad too.
Cricket patently isn't football yet, thankfully, but I couldn't agree more that there's a real danger that cricket could go that way if big silly money sloshes its way into the game.
Stanford was a disgrace. Cricket has been declining badly, i dont usually even bother watching England tests any more or care what the results are. I grew up spending my whole summer holidays watching every over of England tests with Benaud, Boycott and the BBC.
ReplyDeleteThen after the first victorious ashes for 20 years they sold the rights to home series to Sky, that was the death for me. The money grabbing filth claimed the extra sky money would help the game, it hasnt, it has just helped them line their pockets.
Part of national sport is watching it with the rest of the country, like the World Cup in football. When they take major national sports away from terrestrial tv they take away a major element of it because you arent watching with the country with your national broadcaster, you are watching it with just those people who want to pay for sky sports and you are watching it with the broadcaster of Satan himself, the subhuman Murdoch.
Adverts also ruin watching test cricket. There was nothing so relaxing as spending uninterrupted days of test cricket with the BBC, its leisurely approach was part of its charm. It had to fill the gaps with gibberish, not adverts, so there was all the charmingly eccentric discussions of absurdities, rain cloud shapes, fancy dress attire, birds on the pitch, anecdotes from playing days, banter, etc etc, they lost a lot of that when it left the BBC. Just ruined the game for me. Then along came 20-20, the IPL and Stanford and i just dont care at all anymore, i have little to no interest.
Jay,
ReplyDeleteDon't know if this always works for cricket, but I've seen my Dad watch the cricket (and the football) with the sound off and the (BBC) radio on...........
JayReilly / Swifty
ReplyDeleteWhen cricket left the BBC, a woman representative came on and said it no longer fitted the BBC's broadcast capabilities.
This is a tv company with two tv channels of dead air between 3.AM and 7.PM...
They could show any test they wanted, the lying scumbag fucks said it was in breach of their charter to show on 3 or 4.
the way I see it, they (BBC) just didn't want to pay what the England Cricket business managers knew they could demand - and get - from Murdoch.
@jay:
ReplyDeleteHeh. Not a fan of Sky then? I agree about the adverts, it does break the flow of the game and mean there's less of the lovely inconsequential chatter.
The BBC have equally pissed me off though, shunting TMS off to some god-forsaken niche digital channel that I can't get on my radio at home.
@Dot: I've tried that, but there's a couple of seconds lag between the analogue radio (faster) and the Sky pictures (slower) - the Sky pictures have to travel 15,000 miles up into space to bounce off a satellite and travel back down to the satellite dish on your house. The latency makes for some odd moments - "edged, gone" on the radio, while the bowler's still running in on Sky.
"Don't know if this always works for cricket, but I've seen my Dad watch the cricket (and the football) with the sound off and the (BBC) radio on..........."
ReplyDeleteMy grandad does exactly the same thing, might not be a bad idea, but the quality of sound from the radio always grates on me (and makes me feel sick if in a car).
"the way I see it, they (BBC) just didn't want to pay what the England Cricket business managers knew they could demand - and get - from Murdoch."
Cricket's probably a bit too English for the BBC isnt it, bit too stuffy and pompous, not inclusive enough...
This country really does wear you down.
@Jay:
ReplyDelete12 C up at Chester-le-Street. There'll be some cold hands out there today.
As Boycs was wont to say (when he wasn't smacking his lady around) "Catches win matches". So lets see how many stick today in the Arctic North.
andysay - carrying on from yesterday's thread in re: What's In a Name? - do you mean the "imagine my surprise" comments?
ReplyDeleteStraussy's won the toss and decided to have a bat. Same 11 as the team who trounced the Windies last week.
ReplyDeleteAthers is having a bit of banter with Chris Gayle, who is playing it with an admirably straight bat. He's stuck with the same 11 as well.
Heh, yet loads of "vibrant", "subaltern" (commonwealth) types play it really well... I don't get it...
ReplyDelete@BW:
ReplyDeleteI remember the endlessly patronising guff trotted out by Peter West et al on the Beeb about the wonderful Oval tests when the mighty Windies came to play, steel bands, marvellous natural sense of rhythm, wonderful white teeth etc, unfortunately they never quite managed to rise to the same lyrical heights when the great Indian teams used to come to Headingley...
12c? Not too bad for blighty.
ReplyDeleteGotta love Athers - classic sledging moment - Athers against Oz, he nicks to keeper, stands his ground, umpire doesnt give it, he doesnt walk. Healy says, "f*cking cheat". Athers smiles and replies, "When in Rome, old boy..."
"Heh, yet loads of "vibrant", "subaltern" (commonwealth) types play it really well... I don't get it..."
Yea but still, knowing what Graun type morons are at the Beeb i suspect it is still too public school in this country to fit with the Beebs ethos and wankiness. Tossers.
When in Rome, like it...
ReplyDelete@jay/BW:
ReplyDeleteI do so love Athers. Top bloke. Met him a couple of times, unfailingly courteous and interested in what you have to say, loves his cricket (and racing too). Gower, on the other hand, is a complete and utter cock. Finding this out caused me a good deal of disappointment, I would add, because I had a soft spot for "The Boy Gower" in my youth, airy waftiness outside off peg notwithstanding.
Athers is a firm favourite of mine, quality player and good banter.
ReplyDeleteThe waftiness seems a particular affliction of the lefties, ball slanting away i spose...
@jay:
ReplyDeleteHe's tough as well. He's got a degenerative back problem which is aggravated by the usual batsman's stance.
One area where the southpaw is very disconcerting, I always found, was when they bowl to the right hander. I used to hate facing left arm pacemen. Gave me an insight into the problems most l-h batsmen face.
Just noticed from Montana's research it's Ian Astbury's birthday today. Blimus, that takes me back. To Sheffield, 1983 I think, Southern Death Cult in concert. First band I ever saw live.
ReplyDeleteAh, "positive punk" eh? Bless the NME.
Completely agree Swifty, cant stand being bowled at left arm over, really unpleasant, just always feels its on the body, even though often ends up outside off, but its just uncomfortable. Have to open your stance too, it throws off all your usual angles.
ReplyDeleteSwifty
ReplyDeleteI hate to say it, but Ian Astbury... was a bit pants really.
Mind you, someone called roachclip just called me a prick on the Leonard Cohen Plays Israel site, so who knows ??
;-)
@Montana
ReplyDelete"P.S. That doesn't mean I'm one of them."
LOL!
@BW:
ReplyDeleteYep, agreed (from my modern-day vantagepoint) but hey! I was 16, in luuurve and believed everything I read in the NME, ever.
Altogether now! "Fat Man, the unhappy man" erm "der der der" oh dear...
Leonard Cohen plays Israel? Fun gig, no doubt.
Aw, everyone knocks old Leonard. I think he's brilliant.
ReplyDeleteAlso, fair dues... the Cult were a cut above back in the 80s, if you, like me, still had a strong affinity towards "rawk"...
I adore Leonard. What a lot of people seem to miss is his fantastic sense of humour.
ReplyDeleteYou can stick your little pins in that voodoo doll;
Very sorry, baby, doesn't look like me at all.
@ billp
ReplyDeletebillp said...
And that's what Yorkshiremen prefer, isn't it?
14 May, 2009 07:48
It is indeed (or at least what this Yorkie prefers) - and I'll try to pick up the points you made (or at least that I think you were making/trying to make) at the close of yesterdays thread later. I really must do some shopping and other jobs to day so it may be later in the day. But return to it I will - dogs and bones etc!
Cloudy here in E Yorkshire and that bloody east wind is still causing my Acers to dance an uncomfortable jig.
@ BW - just seen your comment above - count me in on a vote for Len (although at my daughters wedding when I asked the DJ for some Cohen music he said "We don't bring music to commit suicide to to weddings"
Morning and regards to all others
Ah good, this is more like it. The Eurovision Song Contest is being subjected to a rigorous bit of Phibbsian analysis.
ReplyDeleteAnd he's a fan of Lordi and Plastic Bertrand as well. Wonder what the aged duffers'd make of that down at the club, old boy?
@ SwiftyBoy
ReplyDeleteA quickie - did you know that if you stand on the cliffs at Flamboro and look out over the sea it is alleged that the next highest land your eye would fall on is the Urals?
Regards
@deano:
ReplyDeleteI love Flamborough Head. Funnily enough, my dad nearly ended up teaching in Filey. He'd got the job, I remember as a kid we were looking at houses, one was near Flamborough Head, but it was a foggy day (unsurprisingly), and my mother just stood there with arms crossed shaking her head a lot.
We ended up somewhere else, needless to say. But spent many happy childhood holidays in Filey, Filey Brig, Brid, Flamborough Head etc
@ SwiftyBoy
ReplyDeleteSufficient to say that we occupy the high ground in Yorkshire - albeit that the Ural Mountains are a long way away.
I have a vague understanding that the white cliffs at Flamboro are geologically connected to the white cliffs of Dover (as indeed are the Wolds from which I write)
Must dash (down to Beverley) and do some food shopping the shelves are bare and I am hungry.
Cheers.
Oh hell, Strauss has just gloved it to Ramdin off a legside Gayle delivery. 69-1.
ReplyDeleteLoose shot trying to sweep it backward of square, he'll be kicking himself for that, he looked well set up to that point.
Andysays
ReplyDelete14 May 09, 6:21am
LOL!
This is a test - Google account up the creek.
ReplyDeleteBru
SwiftyBoy
ReplyDeleteA tenner to your quid he didn't write that, the fat faced felcher.
@BW:
ReplyDeleteI'll take your tenner, and raise you ten, mate. It's got all the hallmarks of a vintage 1987 Phibbs - bluffness, hail-fellow-well-met-rum-cove-Phibbs-what?-ness, irrelevance, twattishness...
Test - still fiddling
ReplyDeleteGot it right now. Apologies for the interruption.
ReplyDeletethanks swiftyboy for the heads up re the test cricket,, i have found a internet broadcast and i will have it on in the background during the day,,i havent been in england for a very long time but i did play cricket many years ago,,
ReplyDeletei had a cricket broadcast on a week or two ago,,first one for many years and was surprised to hear names of positions on the field i had never heard before "silly point",, point ? what the hell is "point"? (the silly i know) and there was a couple of others that i forget
saw sobers hit his six sixes in the sixties
Bru,,i had problems for a few days using a name on this site but eventually realised that there is (for me ) a dead click in the mouse input,,which looks like a failure (to communicate) but if i ignored the malfunction and just kept clicking it would work,,
@3p4:
ReplyDeleteThis is a great wikipedia graphic which should clear it all up for you...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cricket_fielding_positions2.svg
Voted one of the finest images on the English language wikipedia. And rightly so.
FYI... point is the opposite side of the field to square leg. Silly point is close in to the batsman (you'd be "silly" to field that close to the bat...)
Voted one of the finest images on the English language wikipedia. And rightly so.
ReplyDeletetotally agree thanks for the link,,so many memories in those names,,the subheading "backward" seems new to me,,long short silly square are all familiar but fine and backward i dont remember
i usually fielded in the slips,,and mostly i enjoyed bowling in the nets,,my ragtag country village team did have an ex opener for eton on the team,, village cricket,, ahhh what a special and rewarding pasttime
@3p4:
ReplyDelete"ahhh what a special and rewarding pasttime"
Isn't it, though? I have some really special memories of summer days drawing into evening, the shadows lengthening, the banter in the pub afterwards...
"room101d30
ReplyDelete14 May 09, 4:35pm (1 minute ago)
All we need to do now is to make sure that not so nice uber creep Mandelson keeps his hands in his pockets and away from fiddling with things that he plainly does not understand.
"Mandelson - hands off tosser!" ...........shouted an angry man in the street that I encountered the other day. "I agree" I shouted in return"
I do so hope that nice Mr HankScorpio is not banned over on that sometimes silly CIF.
If he is I hope he comes back in as a member of coop/collective and joins me. I have reserved "room101.HS" especially for him.
It would be better still if he were joined by room101.bb and room101.Bw and room101.kiz and room101.an42 and room101.MwH and room101.JR and room101.SB and room101.3p4 and all of their many many friends and neighbours.
If you have a badge - wear it tossers.
@ room101.d30
ReplyDeleteOh thats an interesting idea room101.d30 then if you wanted to say something you thought might be deleted you could always log on under an alias such as room101.d30x
@ room101.d30x
ReplyDeleteYour not suggesting that they amend their old CIF profiles to start saying that they are friends with their room101 counterparts are you?
What that nicce/nasty Mr HankScorpio should have really indicated that he had some friends??
Shudder the shit - still I suppose if had have indicated that he at least knew room101.HS we would be having less trouble now - wouldn't we.
That nice Mr Atomboy and his many mates and admirers/friends/neighbours might need to think his/their position too.
(Not a bad idea 118 I mean room101.d30x)
I really must dash of to local coop cos I'm still starving
room101.bw here... testing... testing... over.
ReplyDelete3p4
ReplyDeleteThanks for the tip - seems to be OK now.
Bru
thaumaturge: what "imagine my surprise" comments would they be then? I simply cannot imagine what you mean...
ReplyDeleteMy punch line will be going up later this evening.
@ room101.d30x
ReplyDeleteDid you notice what it was that that nice Mr Atomboy was saying up above (in his post) when he said:
“When Mrs Thatcher trundled out her friend Tina ("there is no alternative"), it was not because there were no other options but simply because she had closed her mind to anything which did not comply with her decision.”
He was so right you know.
“IF YOU ACCEPT AN UNSATISFACTORY POSITION OR STATUS QUO IT HAS BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN SEDUCED BY TINA”
Do you think that is what he meant to say but was too polite to say so? I do and I hope that he might think again about his own observation and where it leaves him and others who will undoubtedly follow and fall into the same difficulties even if he decides to retire from the field.
It is precisely because TINA was such a flatulent cow that some people worked out where to stand when she blew off and the shit hit the fan.
When I’ve taken my dogs for a walk and put me tea on I’ll write again and let you know my thoughts
@ anon room101.bw
ReplyDeleteback later in the evening.
Bru: I see you’ve been getting your leg pulled on CiF about your name.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I’ve been credited with the idea for the “What’s in a name?” thread, I take no responsibility for its many twists and turns.
To be honest, one of the first things that struck me when I first read your posts was the word “sex” lurking in the middle of your name (probably says more about me than anything else).
Until now, I’ve always hesitated to bring it up, but it seems others are less concerned with gentlemanly conduct.
You do seem to have put your foot in it rather with your comment @ 2.17 this afternoon, which could be interpreted in a way I suspect you are unaware of (I seem to remember a comment about a pearl necklace you made on CiF a while back which was a source of much amusement).
Here’s a tip: if you’re trying to refute suggestions of nymphomania, don’t make comments like “Wait till I get hold of Andysays......”
Someone less gallant than I might well interpret them the wrong way.
Until now, I’ve always hesitated to bring it up, but it seems others are less concerned with gentlemanly conduct.
ReplyDeleteyou a new dude round here,, the rest of us seen the lady kick ass over the years,,
;-)
ReplyDeleteactually i really got no idea if you a new dude ,,do i ?,,
ReplyDelete,,
andysays - I thought the last one *was* the punch line! Can't wait....
ReplyDeletewhatever: I’m new here (two weeks); I’m fairly new on CiF (six months?).
ReplyDeleteBut I’m not so new that I don’t know Bru can kick ass.
And I’m pretty sure she’s got a sense of humour.
What’s with all these random names, BTW?
thaumaturge: I’ve still got one more to go.
Waiting until ten-ish when Montana shows up.
Say no more for now – careless talk costs lives ;-)
Andysays
ReplyDelete---------
I've actually had great fun with that thread. I don't take myself that seriously but doesn't it go to show how differently men and women look at things?
Oh help - expect an ATL feminist article on double entendres shortly......
Bru
Andy - my lips are sealed but the punch line will prob have to wait for the morning for me. :-(
ReplyDeleteBru - men look at *things*, women look at *people*.
Sorry, just channelling Bidisha.
I too always saw the 'sex pats' in your name, although I realised it wasn't meant!
Meanwhile I've had a near-disaster in the kitchen this evening. Chicken Paprika on the menu. Sautéed onions in butter and olive oil, some crushed garlic, salt 'n' pepper, and then chucked the paprika in.
ReplyDeleteExcept I just pulled the first paprika-looking jar out of the cupboard and realised _just in time_ that it was hot chilli powder. Y'know, half a jar of it.
Chucked that lot out and started again....
This is what I get for being too lazy to go into town to buy proper paprika, and just buying the supermarket stuff instead.
What’s with all these random names, BTW"""
ReplyDeletean extra opportunity to be creative,, amuse myself,, as i said some threads ago there will always be the double commas,, and usually no caps
and i used the old name for the summerisle post cos he knows that one but probably not the 3p4
(assuming it was LordSummerisle)
caps are reserved for a touch of overt respect
Thaumaturge
ReplyDeleteGee - I might start my own chatline.....
I had chicken myself this evening (although I don't eat much meat I do occasionally have chicken or lamb). I got one freshly roasted from a nearby shop (they smell so delicious - the bird that is) and just threw a salad over it of tomatoes, cucumber and red onion. There's also still some fresh courgette and onion soup in the fridge which I'll have later when the weather has cooled a bit. We've just had one hell of a storm over here. It made me feel so sleepy....
Montana - you're doing great work with all those facts - I don't know how you keep it up.
Bru
Bru - you could make a fortune. "Darling, you know you've been a very naughty boy. Now bend over and take your 40 lashes. And you will listen to the entire Ring Cycle whilst I punish you."
ReplyDeleteDinner finally ready, so going off to eat it!
@ MontanaWild Hack
ReplyDeleteThank you for providing a great site which attracts some very interesting, erudite and passionate people and those assorted but non the less interesting eccentricS and lots of very interesting topics/comments
I’m fairly new around here so you don’t know me – but I know you a little bit because I take time to read what you have to say. I know you are a teacher with sprog and desire to come to the UK. I know that you have antecedents in the Cornwall area and that you have some special interest in Leicestershire – of course it is entirely possible that I confused what I read overtime and the facts I attribute to you belong t another. Bye the Bye that is not important either way.
I know that there are a number of readers and commentators here who will be very sorry if we have to loose the views of folk like HankScorpio/Jay/Atomboy and numerous others who have or may in the near future be gone.
There is of course a sense in which the position in which they find themselves was entirely predictable – if not for them personally then certainly for the next generation of developing posters with something to say.
There is also the need to find and develop a defensive strategy for the many very fine posters who have not yet been banned but in the fullness of time may well share the fate of others.
Only a fool or very short-sighted person could fail to see that the recent debacle is designed to intimidate and cowe – to which I am duty bound to say to the CIF mod who may be reading this – up yours.
(Or to show that I am an educated person who can speak in two tongues or an alternative language – Fuck off).
Montana we may be able to do little to prevent those who wish to leave but we can try and I hope Atomboy and HankScorpio etc will not do so and we can encourage others that the same misfortune is not automatic for them
If they have any morality about them they will at least stay around to contribute history and experience – these things count for a lot in any battle to minimise the hassle in future and for a younger and perhaps less experienced generation.
( I too was a teacher but I specialised in teaching the awkward squad so I too have some experiences to throw in the pot)
THE POINT IS HOW TO LEARN FROM THE SORRY DEBACLE AND DEVELOP A COLLECTIVE RESPONSE WHICH DOES NOT DENY OR CONCEAL INDIVIDULAITY –
THAT RESPONSE SHOULD MINIMISE FUTURE PROBLEMS AND PROVIDE FOR A REHABILITATION/ESCAPE ROUTE THAT THE MODERATORS WILL NOT FIND SO EASY TO BLOCK. NEXT TIME.
IT REALLY SHOULDN’T BE ABOUT THEM ALLOWING ANYBODYBACK - A NEWSPAPER FOUNDED ON AND REQUIRING A DEFENCE OF FREEDOM OF THE PRESS and SPEECH FOR ITS EXISTENCE IS ON SHAKY GROUND IN TELLING HANK ET AL TO GO AWAY (GO AWAY BY THE WAY IS A POLITE WAY OF SAYING FUCK OFF MOD)
YOU/WE CANNOT STOP THE SHIT HITTING THE FAN BUT WE/YOU CAN BY CAREFUL CHOICE OF POSITION (WHERE AND HOW YOU STAND) DEFLECT SO MUCH OF THE SHIT BACK ON THE FAN THAT IT SLOWS THE THING DOWN.
HISTORY TEACHES US THAT MAN WHO CARLESSLY TURNS ON FAN IN PRESCENCE OF SHIT AND FINDS IT BACK IN HIS FACE – THINKS TWICE BEFORE TURNING ON FAN AGAIN.
I am of course aware that an approach which requires the cooperation of those who might like to carry a knuckle duster, albeit within in Louis Vitton? bag, with others more comfortable in wearing soft slippers when dancing or kicking is no easy task
But what I would respectfully ask Montana is if you would be kind enough to open a new thread with the name ROOM101 so that those with an interest in developing these ideas can put them on a thread without disturbing the peace of anyone who does not wish to join in a discussion of how to make CIF more user friendly.
For those of a nervous .or market orientated disposition – we should all remember that the clever Scot - Adam Smith amongst many other things also said:
Folk of the same trade seldom do but come together but that the conversation turns to how best to ( here you can take your choice from two words rig/serve) the market.
For my part I think he said rig the market but if you think he said serve the market I have no quarrel – what I have mind might just do both?
If we can have a ROOM101THREAD its contents can serve as an archive so that those following in future can learn from our mistakes (not that I intend to make that many) and develop their own experience.
PLEASE DO NOTE THAT EVEN THE MOST DIVERSE OF MOBS CAN ALL SHOP HAPPILY AND BENEFIT FROM THE COOP – (Kizbot can still have a pink/purple badge if she wants and you Montana can display the USAblue which I always see as UKred etc)
It is obvious that those who come here need an easy way to identify each other and to be identified by - that might found the starting point
@ MontanWildHack
ReplyDeletePlease can I second my alt ego room101.d30