18 October 2010

18/10/10


He draweth out the thread of his verbosity finer than the staple of his garment.
-William Shakespeare

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  2. Woohoo!

    Planet of the Cakes!

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  3. re french swearing, i made my french teacher crack up by asking what a few things i'd heard on the tv meant. so, here's her invaluable guide to graduated french swearing, so you can pick the expletive appropriate to the situation.

    in ascending order:
    je m'en moque = i don't give a monkey's
    je m'en fiche = i don't give a damn
    je m'en fous = i don't give a fuck

    noticed during la mome what the lyrics to 'je ne regrette rien' were, thanks to subtitling being on - includes je me fous de passe ('sod the past') which kinda shows how language changes - like 'baiser' technically meaning 'to kiss' but now mainly used to mean 'to fuck', 'se foutre' seems to have changed from 'to not give a damn' to 'to not give a fuck'...

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  4. @Phil

    I'd say:

    je m'en fiche = I don't care
    je m'en fous = I don't give a damn
    je m'en bats les couilles = I don't give a shit/fuck

    Despite the origins of the verb "foutre", which originally meant "to fuck", "je m'en fous" really isn't that strong. I suppose you could compare its use with the original meaning of "bugger" and people coming to say, "Oh, you little bugger", which was reasonably mild even when I was a child.

    The only real hangover from the original meaning of foutre is "le foutre", meaning cum/spunk.

    "Baiser" is fine as a noun. "Un baiser" is a kiss, but as you say, the verb "baiser" is "to fuck" and has been for a long time.

    Many years ago, I went with my then wife to meet my very attractive Lebanese sister-in-law at the airport. She'd basically learnt classical French at school, so she kissed and hugged her sister, then turned to me in the Arrivals hall and loudly called, "Viens me baiser", actually meaning "Come and fuck me" in modern French.

    About fifty heads turned.

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  5. cheers spike!

    (french teacher was a bit mimsy...)

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  6. @Phil

    I've always wondered where "je m'en bats les couilles" (I beat my balls of it) comes from. Sounds painful rather than bored.

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  7. cif is a cesspit this morning.

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  8. Which threads, Sheff?

    That Angie124 is a bit of a bitey soulmate.

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  9. Or just Bitey talking to it's self. 'Oh you're such a feminist!' 'No, you are the true feminist', 'Would you do me? I'd do me.'

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  10. That had crossed my mind, turm.

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  11. spike

    The Angola and immigration threads - that unbelievable piece of shite from Preston, Glover as per usual.

    Princess is a shining light of the welfare state piece though. The groan should really put her atl

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  12. I still enjoy playing on my difficullty with the French 'r' by referring to a referee as l'abite (cock) rather than l'abitre.

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  13. @PB:

    It’s “la bite”. And "l'arbitre".

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  14. Yes, I know SW - but I was conveying the manner in which I pronounce l'arbitre.

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  15. Bon, mon commandant… au repos!

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  16. According to Reuters: (UPDATE 2-Terrorism, cyber attacks to top UK security threats) computer attacks and terrorism are the biggest threats to Broken Britain and not our own government.

    "There are four key priorities we've identified," Security Minister Pauline Neville-Jones told the BBC.

    "They include international terrorism and cyber security, which we need to promote and to increase, as well as ... our risk of military conflict in the world, and also the need to make the nation resilient against things like pandemics and flooding," she added.


    The Americanisation of the UK will be complete when we can say: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

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  17. Peter Bracken: Understood by nobody in at least two languages.

    Sometimes, life is merciful.

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  18. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

    lol! AB - I needed a laugh this morning.

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  19. Spank the petanque.

    GIYUS got busted for cyberterrorism. It was on Spooks last night.

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  20. Yes I know I'm wrong, but you are wronger for pointing it out, 'cos I'm always right!

    And that's why I'm out, l8rs peeps...

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  21. I have got to just have a massive swear - hope no one minds but my god, that fucking tool Avendesorra has made my blood boil.

    Not only did the thick fuck really upset themuse with their endless talk of 'underclass and chavs' but now on the Bunting thread they actually declare that the underclass and 'large parts of' the working class are 'different' to the middle class and can't be 'dealt with' in the same way.

    They are such a grade A cnut. Honestly I have been wound up before (not having the best grasp of my temper) but I would love five minutes in a room with them and a big, big stick!

    Underclass this, chav that, feckless the other. Nice that the bitter and pathetic amongst us have a new group they can target with their hate ever since they had to stop being racist, sexist, homophobic shits.

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  22. @turm:

    ”…Yes I know I'm wrong, but you are wronger for pointing it out, 'cos I'm always right!”

    LOL… you’re forgetting, though, that rank confers certain privileges, including the one that states that “one’s superior (officer) is always correct”…

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  23. WADDYA continues the revisionist bullshit:

    JimPress
    18 October 2010 1:31PM

    PB wasn't the only one to stick up for him.

    Bizarrely, way back up this page, I had a post that was nothing but a supportive message to Martyn deleted. There was nothing in the post that contravened the terms and conditions, but it was followed by another post making staggeringly unpleasant allegations against him, and, I can only imagine my post was hit in the crossfire. Incidentally, not long afterwards I was sent a link to this particular persons own blog where she then proceeded to misrepresent my comments (presumably in an effort to encourage others to attack me), and carry on her ugly vendetta against Martyn. Some people here have seriously lost the plot.

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  24. Princess

    Avendesorra's posts are repellent- s/he is a troll - has to be - no decent human being would mouth such shit.

    V. good work by you though - I wish i had half your stamina.

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  25. Afternoon all,

    PCC,

    if it's any consolation, you've been awarded number One on the 'must see 1,2,3' thing on the cif front page!!

    Deano

    (from last night)

    I seem to remember Annetan saying that she was staying with a friend until her new flat was ready, or something.
    It has been a while though....

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  26. Sheff - its not really stamina - its when I can't sleep and am in pain its better to do something to take my mind off it, which is often why I post late ish - while laid in bed. Also its why I am dead erratic and don't post for days on end - cause when the sleep comes thats it! Out like a light and its great.

    Yeah that poster is truly vile. That Hayek dude is fun though. I think they are all of fifteen and have just read Hayek and Mises - something really off about their grammar etc that gives me the impression they are NOT a financial advisor with loadsa money - not that its bad grammar but their way of writing is strange.

    James - thanks for that - never even noticed that 1,2,3 thing before!

    Best be careful 'cause according to that Tory witch if you can blog or twitter you can damn well work!

    Mucho striking in France I see. And Belgium too - wonder if we will EVER have that kind of protest here?

    I am off for a nap - even though didn't get up till eleven am tired. Catch you all later.

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  27. OMG. Massive Gogarty moment:

    Hey all *waves*

    As Jess so nicely explained, I'm going to be be her co-host for the dinner party of awesomeness that is the You Tell Us threads. Aside from rambling and over-sharing (um, don't know about you lot but that's pretty much all I do at dinner parties), that basically means I'll be helping keep the threads ticking over so that they work well for all of y'all who read it every day. Any ideas/suggestions/rants for stuff that we could be doing on Cif are welcome.

    I was going to employ some amazing analogy about being the Josh Lyman to Jess's Leo McGarry but it's going off in strange places so I'll just say a big hello and that I'm genuinely looking forward to getting involved with the threads.

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  28. Whos is that thauma ??? Sounds like an A1 impression of Bungle from Rainbow.

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  29. I wonder which of her relatives work for The Graun!

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  30. Josh Lyman to Jess' Leo McGarry??

    That's about a thousand different kinds of wrong.

    I'm guessing this girl's gonna go far.....

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  31. Atomboy

    WADDYA continues the revisionist bullshit:

    Tell me about it.Who is this Jim Press character btw?Seems to have appeared out of nowhere or maybe i've simply not noticed him before.Talk about telling a pack of lies.Thing that pisses me off though is the fact the mods only step in when someone challenges one of the regulars.None of my posts were breaking any rules but were deleted along with JP and the other suspects for simply quoting facts which are easily verified.If someone hadn't challenged JP i reckon his posts would still be standing.

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  32. Jessica's new helper Christine, BW.

    I have no idea who Josh Lyman and Leo McGarry are.

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  33. Ah. That's alright then. Thought I'd stepped into an under-fives birthday party.

    She sounds a lovely gal !

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  34. From The West Wing, Thaum.

    A programme about power, integrity, making decisions that affect millions, full of witty, intelligent people, and sharp, challenging dialogue.


    So, you know, just like Waddya.....!!

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  35. @BW:

    "...She sounds a lovely gal !"

    Ahem. She is...

    "...I spend most of my day in front of my laptop or else on the phone but when I get to break away my favourite things include politics, watching West Wing DVDs and lusting after Toby/Josh, reading anything about politics, social policy or journalism that I can get my hands on, playing the odd bit of badminton, cinema-ing and frequenting Doyles, my favourite pub in the whole wide world.

    My undergraduate degree was in sociology and social policy from Trinity College, which I loved. When I started I thought I’d be far more interested in the sociology side of the course but I soon realised that social policy was basically what made my socks roll up and down.

    I did an MA in journalism in DCU straight after, graduated in 2007, and have been working ever since..."

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  36. Thauma

    I know it's wrong to stereotype people but when i read that my first thought was that she's obviously an American Prom Queen (sorry Montana)

    Turns out she's from Dublin.

    'Fuckin' Jesus Tits' as me old uncle would say.

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  37. Actually, having just posted that potted biog from her “grand” blog, I’ve remembered I couldn’t give a flying fuck what goes on over at CiF any more, seriously… enjoy your afternoons, all!

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  38. SB
    Very funny, that could almost have been real...

    It was a spoof wasn't it...?

    Oh shit.

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  39. A Dublin lass by all accounts !

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  40. "Fuckin' Jesus Tits"

    New strapline....

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  41. Nooooo BW! I'll never fish anything out of the spam folder again!

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  42. >> obviously an American Prom Queen

    Oops, read that as American Porn Queen

    which lead me to make the 'snog marry avoid' quip on waddya, expect to be shot down by the fems if not rapidly deleted. But if you had to, with a gun at your head. And if you married Bella you'd be guarenteed a weekly gig at the Graun...

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  43. Hi Leni

    Read yours and Redminers posts on waddya.Extremely depressing but hardly surprising given the current climate.Plus of course neither the DWP or ATOS have given a second thought to the fact that the bloke who Redminer described by ATOS as being fit for work hasn't got a cats chance in hell of getting a job given his medical condition.So he'll be left to either languish on the dole queue or simply disappear from the statistics.

    On a more hopeful note i thought you'd be interested in reading THIS ARTICLE. It may not seem much in the overall scheme of things but it shows that people power can sometimes bring about change for the better.

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  44. This looks like it should be worth a read:

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/morals-without-god/?ref=opinion

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  45. Hi Habib

    Thanks for your kind offer at the end of the last thread.I,m tied up here in London for the foreseeable future but i definitely want to meet you at some stage.Hope all's well with you my friend :-)

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  46. Hello all! Hope everyone well.

    This lonely monkey nut is back in the room! Busy weekend and a bit of a wild Sunday night at the Disco ;0) (Holly Johnson was there!! how mad is that???) The inevitable recovery position was being utilised for most of the day, so probably be a bit of a short visit.

    Have been wondering about Annetan too - is she OK? Weirdly, I had a dream about her last night, even though I've never met her ........

    How bizarre is that?

    Paul - good article. I had no idea that students who fell seriously ill couldn't claim benefits....

    Anyone had any thoughts about whether that awful American bitch getting Junkies sterilised for £200 is legal or not? I think people like her should be banned from this country.

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  47. Hello there.

    Here's the list of 35 company bosses which are backing the govt spending cuts for public sector workers and anyone else who may wish to consider boycotting them:

    Will Adderley
    CEO, Dunelm Group
    Robert Bensoussan
    Chairman, L.K. Bennett
    Andy Bond
    Chairman, ASDA
    Ian Cheshire
    Chief Executive, Kingfisher
    Gerald Corbett
    Chairman, SSL International, moneysupermarket.com, Britvic
    Peter Cullum
    Executive Chairman, Towergate
    Tej Dhillon
    Chairman and CEO, Dhillon Group
    Philip Dilley
    Chairman, Arup
    Charles Dunstone
    Chairman, Carphone Warehouse Group
    Chairman, TalkTalk Telecom Group
    Warren East
    CEO, ARM Holdings
    Gordon Frazer
    Managing Director, Microsoft UK
    Sir Christopher Gent
    Non-Executive Chairman, GlaxoSmithKline
    Ben Gordon
    Chief Executive, Mothercare
    Anthony Habgood
    Chairman, Whitbread
    Chairman, Reed Elsevier
    Aidan Heavey
    Chief Executive, Tullow Oil
    Neil Johnson
    Chairman, UMECO
    Nick Leslau
    Chairman, Prestbury Group
    Ian Livingston
    CEO, BT Group
    Ruby McGregor-Smith
    CEO, MITIE Group
    Rick Medlock
    CFO, Inmarsat; Non-Executive Director lovefilms.com, The Betting Group
    John Nelson
    Chairman, Hammerson
    Stefano Pessina
    Executive Chairman, Alliance Boots
    Nick Prest
    Chairman, AVEVA
    Nick Robertson
    CEO, ASOS
    Sir Stuart Rose
    Chairman, Marks & Spencer
    Tim Steiner
    CEO, Ocado
    Andrew Sukawaty
    Chairman and CEO, Inmarsat
    Michael Turner
    Executive Chairman, Fuller, Smith and Turner
    Moni Varma
    Chairman, Veetee
    Paul Walker
    Chief Executive, Sage
    Paul Walsh
    Chief Executive, Diageo
    Robert Walters
    CEO, Robert Walters
    Joseph Wan
    Chief Executive, Harvey Nichols
    Bob Wigley
    Chairman, Expansys, Stonehaven Associates, Yell Group
    Simon Wolfson
    Chief Executive, Next

    LaRit

    I suspect what that woman is doing is entirely legal but I think it is utterly abhorrent to offer junkies cash incentives for sterilisation. Wonder if the human rights laws come into this in any way?

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  48. How about offering sterlisation for yummy mummies who moan that getting their child benefit cut means scrapping the jazz dance lessons?

    Ta for that, MsChin - bugger, one of them is my ISP.

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  49. Same here, thauma - ISP-wise.

    And I can assure Stuart Rose that Christmas dinner chez Chin definitely won't be an M&S Christmas dinner.

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  50. evening all!
    french culinary experiment ce soir - boudin blanc. bit concerned this may involve offal.

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  51. Oh christ, just wiki'ed it.

    "A white sausage made of pork without the blood. Pork liver and heart meat are typically included"

    meh.

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  52. Philippa - never, ever examine sausage ingredients. That doesn't actually sound too bad, considering.

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  53. @Phil

    You should have read this one:

    A delicate sausage, similar to a quenelle in texture, made with pork, chicken, fat, eggs, cream, bread crumbs and seasonings. It is most often gently sautéed and served hot.
    The term is French for "white pudding".

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  54. ok, that sounds better.

    although it's a proper sausage, not a light little quenelley thing.

    how long do I cook them for? we went deli, they don't come with instruction....

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  55. Ok, will wing it. oisette brought wine, so that could help...

    laters all - if i live...

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  56. IB on the One Show presently.

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  57. We've been rumbled folks....

    Some spook on WADDYA's just disclosed our so very secret location.

    Operation gerrouddaherequick is now in motion.

    I repeat, we are go.....!!

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  58. @JD:wondered how long that would take!

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  59. Just in case anyone was thinking of visiting Amsterdam at the weekend.

    100+ members of the English Defence League are arriving to march in support of Geert Wilders on Sunday.

    Wilders is currently on trial for hate speech and the EDL are over to protest his right to 'free speech'.

    As we know Wilders is a fierce defendant of free speech, so much so that he wants to prevent free speech by banning the Koran.

    I do hope the EDL march the wrong way and end up in the muslim Guezeveld/Slotermeer districts.

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  60. Duke

    "100+".

    I predict it'll be 25 on a piss-up.

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  61. I do hope the EDL march the wrong way and end up in the muslim Guezeveld/Slotermeer districts.

    Maybe they could drop into a cafe near the railway station & get too stoned to bother?

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  62. Chekhov,

    We all knew this day would come.
    Those of us who chose this life, we select few, brave souls who live beneath the radar, who have forsaken the society we love, so that we may, one day, save it from itself, did so in the knowledge that we would not be thanked for it, and that we would never, ever be safe.

    Take only what you can carry folks, and may I just say, in this darkest of hours, that it has been an honour serving with you, standing shoulder to shoulder against the powerhouse of WADDYA, despite such overwhelming odds.
    Outnumbered and outgunned, nevertheless, we fought!!

    Good luck and Godspeed, you brave, brave souls....

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  63. 'S'all right for you, James, you live in a country with no extradition treaty.

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  64. James!!!
    Hold your ground, hold your ground! Sons and daughters of UT, my brothers, my sisters!

    I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of sense fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day.

    An hour of woes and shattered shields, when the age of taking the piss comes crashing down! But it is not this day!

    This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, people of UT!

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  65. Nice one Heyhab; I was just going to ask where Wolfie Smith was when you needed him!

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  66. haha - indeed Thaum, although I think you may have underestimated the reach and power of those who would see us brought to justice.

    They laugh in the face of treaties, and they are, quite literally, everywhere.

    I too, have little choice but to go underground, for the time being at least.
    Who knows, perhaps we will all survive to fight another day, though I fear many of us shall not!

    I will leave you with these words, which I hope, may remind you of why it is we fight in the dark days ahead:

    "You see the distant flames,
    they bellow in the night.
    You fight in all our names
    for what we know is right.
    And when you all get shot
    and cannot carry on,
    though you die,
    La Resistance lives on".

    From South Park The Movie!!

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  67. Hahaha habib.

    LOTR or South Park, it's all good....

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  68. HaHa I'll get me horse and cart - anyone need a lift to the border ?

    Swift 'Nellie' is a bit slow on her hoofs nowadays, but we can make it !

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  69. A noble effort from Princess on the RIP Welfare and Social Deprivation threads - who is obviously perfectly fit to work a 40-hour week if she can manage all of that writing...

    Good posts from others too, on those and related threads.

    I’m afraid if people peeve me off too much I tend to stop reading them. Are those characters for real or just doing a wind-up? It’s horrible to contemplate that they could be for real. That Avendesorra – one shudders really.

    I’m left wondering who are ‘the underclass’ exactly? Is that anyone who’s on benefits? Anyone below a certain income? Anyone in social housing? Anyone without educational qualifications, or not much? Anyone not in a professional or office job? Where do you start or stop?

    We can presume that anyone in social housing, not holding down a job and not well educated qualifies, but I’ve come across great characters among such an underclass – bright and active, but just never had the breaks. While thickies can be found at all levels of society – sheer stupidity being well illustrated by some of the imagining-themselves-superior prats commenting on these subjects. Education is good, but it sure isn’t everything.

    I know that it can be said that all of the opportunities are there, but there’s such a thing as social expectation as well. When I was at school (not the other day, it’s true), there was us and there was ‘the knobs’. Not usually any trouble between us; we just instinctively didn’t mix, and we didn’t want to be like them anyway. They went to uni and we didn’t go, although there was generally no difference in intelligence. In fact, some of them weren’t at all bright; but mummy and daddy pushed until they got them there, and ours didn’t bother about it, because they didn’t see the need for it.

    These ‘knob’ idiots just don’t see it at all, do they? Your house is burning, you call the fire brigade – who pays for it? There’s a crime and you call the police - who pays for it? You can maybe get private healthcare, but what if it’s an emergency? You need to drive somewhere? Who pays for the roads and bridges and soforth? You fly somewhere and who pays for all of the infrastructure? And so on and all around-ways.

    Pay taxes? Why should they? When it all goes to those feckless scroungers… durrrr

    There was a time after WW2 (and WW1) when there were a lot of single mums, especially because of loss of husbands (mostly) during action, but I suppose they mean unmarried ones – as they seem to think it’s all teenage mums after the council flat, when it’s much more those who’ve unhappily separated later – that is, not planned single parenthood, which I refuse to belief is a common lifestyle choice – it’s more like confused conditions which are common.

    Of course there weren’t so many unmarried parents previously, because of the social attitudes of the time – just a lot more unhappy and abusive marriages. In what way was that better for the kids? Personally, I would have had a lot happier childhood if my mother had been economically able to leave my father. Divorce isn’t always the end of civilisation – sometimes it’s the start of it.

    Nowhere have I seen it emphasised that CB was essentially about giving the money to the mother, because many husbands, of whatever income bracket, weren’t exactly generous with the housekeeping, at a time when most married women with younger children didn’t work and were entirely reliant on their husband’s income. So those who says it’s not a women’s issue are talking humbug, because the idea was that it be paid to the mother to try to ensure that she had a bit of cash-in-hand for her children. Generally times have changed and there’s nothing wrong with looking at it again.

    However for Simon Jenkins to say that these sort of actions indicate that the ConLibs are acting like a socialist government is wandering off into outer space somewhere. The Guarn really seem to be losing the plot.

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  70. Money being spent on drink and other distractions has been a problem from the start of history – not something that suddenly started a few years ago; because the human condition is easily painful and seeks relief (and in previous times it often wasn’t safe to drink the water). The upper classes have always been renowned for it (also journalists), but, as usual, it’s all right if they do it, or use drugs ‘recreationally’. While amongst the poor it is often a sign of despair, although I think you need to have the right ‘receptors’ - a conclusion I’ve come to because I know I couldn’t do it whatever, but there’s no virtue in that if you haven’t got those leanings anyway.

    Why, if you put two people in the same unhappy situation does one get through much better than another? We’re all different – I can stick things out where many wouldn’t know where to start, whilst many everyday things easily throw me – it’s all there somewhere in my genetic programming. Yes, we have choices, but we also have our own natural strengths and limitations, and then environmental influences. What people tend to do is say – if I can do it, then so should anyone else be able to do it – carefully omitting from their mental viewpoint all of the things they couldn’t do it if it came to it – or that they may have had a more advantageous starting point.

    Which really says – don’t make judgements about the weakness of others unless you’re perfect yourself, and if you think you are, then that’s a really big weakness. And no way is having money a sign of moral superiority.

    Previous generations of the poor not falling into prostitution and drink!? Not done much history then. Victorian England had a whole seething underworld, while it’s considered that 25% weren’t adequately able to support themselves – hence all of the workhouses and institutions for abandoned children. They made it as miserable as possible, and they still kept coming. While in Georgian times it’s said that one in eight women in London were prostitutes, and drinking large amounts was usual throughout society. The lack of social protection or opportunity leads to more social ills, not less – which should be obvious.

    While a desperate ‘underclass’ fed the industries, where they could be worked long hours for a pittance, until they died early from wear and disease. This is what we’ve moved too far away from – not enough helpless economic fodder now to feed the economic machine. We must get back to the good old days. Only without much industry or useful production or - much of substance.

    Going back further, when Henry VIII closed the monasteries, which were the main social security providers of the day, giving at least some shelter and nurture for the poor and sick, the suffering and privations of many of the populace who then had no protection at all were terrible. Yet somehow they still didn’t get jobs and ‘stand on their own two feet’ – they just ended up six feet under rather more quickly.

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  71. The coast, too, is awake! I have a crew of hearty and subtle gentlemen with a smack on the shingle, loaded with jute for Dundee. Let us hie for the border comrades, on the next tide!

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  72. Tascia,

    Stay off the roads, travel only in the darkness, and keep your wits about you....

    This sound will let you know when friends are near by.....

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  73. Some will always manage to overcome the odds, but all those I’ve come across who’ve fallen through the net have had much lack of structure in their early lives, which really does make a big difference to outcomes; which is why so many of our prison population are from the care system.

    It’s not so much about being poor. Many families who haven’t much, but just enough, are happy and well balanced. It’s about those who somehow get lost and then transmit it to the next generation. While, if we’re now going to take away having just enough, tragedy is bound to follow where it never needed to have done.

    The difference now is going to be that as cuts dig deeper, those who thought they were safe, will find out that that’s no longer the case; and will then find that they’ve also become one of those ‘feckless scroungers’ they’ve been deriding, and can now also be villified without reproach. Maybe, just maybe, the worm will then start to turn.

    No money left? Our country is awash with it – but it’s flowing upwards and outwards. Anything the government wants to afford, it has no problem financing. Plenty of money for any inflated contract the privateers want – so say we can’t afford benefits – say we can’t afford the wages for the public-sector workers - so the money can go to the privateers instead – and then sneeked out of the system, as they’re too worthy to pay taxes – all bonuses and capital and corruption.

    No need to mention that the biggest rise in welfare benefits is actually due to pensions. Mustn’t say too much about pensioners, as a lot of them vote Tory, so don’t hint at cutting their universal benefits, whatever their income (many do need it of course, but at the same time quite a lot would do fine without it).

    What’s happening is an ideology, not a necessity - they’ve even openly admitted it – that they’d be doing this anyway. Therefore, it’s amongst The Overclass we should be looking for the really Big Scroungers of the State– not so much the failures of society, but those orchestrating its failure.

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  74. Look on the bright side: any opportunity to expose the farce that is wadya should be welcomed.
    I wouldn't have thought Christine needed one of the prefects to dob us in.
    There again, maybe she did and it's worse than I thought.

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  75. Evening all

    Philippa - hope you haven't cooked your boudin blanc yet, cos a fab way to do it is to cook them slowly and lightly in butter, then chuck in a sloosh of brandy to deglaze the pan, then add thinly sliced peeled apple until it softens a bit, then add the boudin blanc back to heat through, then salt and pepper to taste.

    Bloody lovely - you can do the same with boudin noir too.

    Re avendesorra - vile little troll. really does remind me of all the bits I hate about my brother, as I said yesterday.

    Having said that the "underclass" were too thick to co-ordinate a revolution, I pointed out that people like thee and me weren't and he then suggested that there was a bullet with my name on it if I wanted to try. (Having previously stated that shooting up some "chavs" with rubber bullets might keep them in their place).

    Guy is a complete fucking numpty.

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  76. Guys, for those in the UK Dispatches on CH4 right now is doing a tax haven piece that those rich bastards use to avoid paying their way. Having read some of the people in the welfare stae thread on CiF and the attitude that is they deserve every penny they earn it is enlightening.

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  77. Moonwave


    "The difference now is going to be that as cuts dig deeper, those who thought they were safe, will find out that that’s no longer the case; and will then find that they’ve also become one of those ‘feckless scroungers’ they’ve been deriding, and can now also be villified without reproach. Maybe, just maybe, the worm will then start to turn".

    Indeed!

    As awful as it sounds, one of the things that actually gives me hope, is the idea that one day, some of these heartless bastards are going to join a passing mob, increase their frenzy with some of their own hate speak, and then realise, just when it's too late, that they're heading right to their own house.

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  78. Evening all

    Why is the UT suddenly on a war footing?Has there been a declaration of war from somewhere in cyber?Will be more than happy to give you all a rendition of 'Fight the Good Fight' but i would like to know who the enemy is.Cheers.

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  79. Paul

    The location of our top secret mountain hideaway was revealed on Waddya (now deleted), so we're commencing with the evacuation plans....

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  80. Freemanmoxy has just made me laugh out loud, calling some loon called meravie "nuttier than squirrel shit" on the Pamela Geller thread.

    It's just been deleted. Naturally. He's a good un is moxy.

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  81. Tascia - don't forget to muffle the horse's hooves!

    Moonwave

    The difference now is going to be that as cuts dig deeper, those who thought they were safe, will find out that that’s no longer the case; and will then find that they’ve also become one of those ‘feckless scroungers’ they’ve been deriding, and can now also be villified without reproach. Maybe, just maybe, the worm will then start to turn.

    Exactly. I don't wish privation on anyone, but the way things are going, a lot of people who thought they were safe are going to find themselves on hard times.

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  82. Mschin

    Thank you for the list – all of whom seem to expect the public’s money though – so how does it make sense to them to remove the jobs of the public whose money they want?

    LaRit

    It may be legal, but it’s definitely immoral. Can’t quite see how some chap being sterilised stops a woman from transmitting problems to her foetus? It also supposes that none of them ever get over it and change their lives around, which I know not to be the case.

    It’s the rearing of eugenics really – the judging of one human being to be of more worth than another – so next it’ll those wasters on benefit, although at least there in many cases it’s too late.

    James Dixon

    A (maybe not noble but most) just sentiment.

    At present the first part of my comment hasn’t appeared, so it seems to commence rather abruptly, as it’s starting near the middle.

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  83. Anyone want to open a book on how long it takes for someone give us the low down on how Christine got the gig on wadya?

    AllyF has thrown his hat into the ring.

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  84. @JD:'kin hell; they've wiped it?
    Pillocks!

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  85. chekhov

    What did Ally say?It's been deleted so it must have been good.

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  86. Ally asked for his post to be deleted. Perhaps he's right. Give someone more than a couple of posts before a pasting, eh?

    I reserve the right to change my mind on this.

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  87. Chekhov,

    Yeah. It lasted about 10 minutes.

    (The existence of this place tends to piss all over their 'yeah, but where else you gonna go?' defence to being shit!!)

    Paul,

    Ally suggested that the new girl may be related to Caren Bohan, who's some big shot in White House newsy type stuff, apparently....

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  88. James

    We'll have no talk of evacuation.We'll fight to the last man/woman/goldfish.Can't see who the culprit on waddya was.There's the usual talk about the 'haters'-which i've always assumed was a reference to UT posters- but that's an everyday occurrence.

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  89. Oh, and wild stab in the dark....

    Caren's daughter?

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  90. Don't think you can get the link from that but it refers to Caren Bohan who works for Reuters.

    Ally's post is still up on wadya.

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  92. Ach, give the lass the benefit of the doubt, at least for a day or two.

    She's young, she's just landed what most would consider a plum job (with or without familial connections - we don't know), and she's probably trying too hard to hit a 'hip' target (or whatever tha kidz are sayin these days).

    She has made a very ill-advised first post, but you'd think someone older and wiser might have warned her.

    So ... hope for the best but expect the worst.

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  93. "I was just going to ask where Wolfie Smith was when you needed him!"

    Ha ha, chekhov, I was never about to let the beret with a red star go to waste... now, if I could just find a Scorpion tank to drive to Westminster...

    Power to the people!

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  94. Paul, offer of a place to stay, or a get together is open ended, warm regards for you, pal.

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  95. ^^ The above message comes to you courtesy of Calvados, cheap bottle of, picked up at the border in Calais.

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  96. @thauma et al

    According to the new girl's Twitter account:

    "My mother, the 60-something year old carer from Co. Meath, will be thrilled to hear of her promotion."

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  97. Thaumaturge

    Neither do I wish any suffering upon anyone.

    Nor do I feel any envy of those with more than myself, for whatever reason. I’m grateful for home and 'hearth' and family and purry cats and enough to eat, and managing to have what I need, and I’m always aware that that makes me very fortunate compared to many in the world.

    I can’t see how a policy of continual growth on a finite world is sustainable. It now seems to be all about taking and not about sharing – although it probably always was, in various forms, with a few better days - and I’m not able to think or live that way.

    My objection and protest is against those who are comfortably off deciding it’s good to make those who are only just about getting by no longer be able to get by; and even more that those who have much seek to gain even more by taking away from those who have the least. All without any seeming concern for what happens to those people, as if they were vermin and not human beings.

    That I consider a repugnant abuse of privilege, or at very best intentional ignorance, and it makes me hope that there is a natural justice.

    For those evacuating to the new secret mountain hideaway – or whatever - enjoy.

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  98. Just googled her and got her twitter feed.


    # @lexia It's hilarious, but I'm also fairly annoyed. Gah.

    # My mother, the 60-something year old carer from Co. Meath, will be thrilled to hear of her promotion.

    # A bunch of Cif commenters are speculating I got my job cos my mother is the Reuters White House Correspondent.


    One might be barking up the wrong tree....

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  99. @Thauma: sorry, and I can only speak for myself but CIF and wadya got plenty (if not too much of the benefit of the doubt from me): not anymore.
    "Dinner party of the awesome"!
    If they want to carry on shooting themselves in the foot, it's open season as far as I'm concerned.

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  100. "I’m grateful for home and 'hearth' and family and purry cats and enough to eat"

    That's all I've ever wanted.

    moonwave, you speak hard words softly, much respect for you.

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  101. I'm with Thaum on this one

    "Ach, give the lass the benefit of the doubt, at least for a day or two."

    Yep.

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  102. I am always impressed by your posts Moonwave, you write so eloquently.

    I would like to get a 'purry cat' to enhance my life but I am worried that if I do I won't be able to feed it once I am on JSA.

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  103. James, your poem reminded of "the Flashing Blade". I wonder if anyone remembers it?

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  104. Peter/BB - a lesson (perhaps) in jumping to conclusions!

    Moonwave

    I can’t see how a policy of continual growth on a finite world is sustainable.

    It absolutely isn't. I've said it before and I'll say it again (zzz): the current economic set-up is a gigantic Ponzi scheme. Continual growth is a nightmare with over-population, resource depletion, famine and thirst its only possible outcomes.

    As a race - the human race, that is - we need to retrench, rethink and scale back. Education, contraception, local collective organisation and fucking empathy are the way forward.

    Not claiming to be in any way perfect on all these fronts myself, but I hope it helps to at least have goals in mind.

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  105. Can I just add a "me too" regarding moonwave's posts, btw?

    We have a fantastic bunch of posters on here. Yes there is banter, ranting and general mayhem on a daily basis, but as a group we have our finger on the pulse of what is wrong with this country and some damn good ideas to boot.

    All power to the UT.

    And sod bibamejico101, whoever that might be, for their whininess on Waddya.

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  106. Give her the benefit of the doubt in what way?

    She has, as was said upthread, been given a plum job and is highly educated, despite that, her first post (which if it was me I would have run past everyone I know and everyone at Cif) comes across like some kind of spoof.

    She rambles and overshares at dinner parties for fucks sake.

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  107. @BB:I'm with Thaum on this one

    "Ach, give the lass the benefit of the doubt, at least for a day or two."

    Yep.

    Fair enough, I'm more than willing to give the new kid on the block the benefit of the doubt. Besides, non of my previous posts were a personal attack on her anyway.

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  108. @habib

    The Flashing Blade! The sound of being home from school.

    As long as we have done our best
    Then no one can do more
    And life and love and happiness
    Are well worth fighting for.

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  109. englishkermit seems to be telling Christine that AstonVanilla is Giyus - who apparently 'maliciously abuses the report abuse function.

    And there was me thinking that kermit is the only one who's openly admitted hitting 'report abuse'...

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  110. BTW:add me to the "moonwave" fan club.

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  111. I agree with Chekhov regarding Christine.Her opening post was honest but lamentable.Honest because she openly exposed herself as having a mindset that i imagine is quite typical at Guardian Towers.And lamentable because it immediately drove a wedge between herself and ordinary people.FFS i don't know a living soul who thinks,talks or acts like that.

    I do however feel a bit sorry for her .But Nathalie ,Jessica and Bella should have done a better job in preparing her for what she was likely to face.And why they didn't is anyones guess.

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  112. Jen - for all we know, she may have earned the job fair and square. I know, Graun form dictates otherwise, but....

    Agree on the first post, but anyone might get a bit nervous on the first day on the job and do something regrettable.

    Anyway, I'm off to bed, but aren't you supposed to be e-mailing me sometime soon? ;-)

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  113. Just parking this here since it was resulted in an instant ban for AstonVanilla...within about 30 actually...so the thread now reads "New Girl nails troll with ironic putdown"...pathetic sweetheart...bailed out by the mods day 1...

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    AstonVilla

    Christine..no offence...I was just askin

    ".... and frankly find this obsession with class and background inexplicable."

    ...so you didn't read the paper before you took the job? You didn't miss much..I mean the 'big news' has been public spending cuts..the Graun hasn't really bothered...well not with benefit cuts and the frankly inhuman abuses and indignities being stuck to the sick and infirm...oh hang on, though..there was that big backlash against the child benefit loss if you're earning £44000 or more..but you're right....this class thing is way outta hand

    "Sigh. My parents have never bought a copy of the Guardian in their lives."

    Plenty on here would take the piss Christine..but I've always thought the Telegraph was a much misunderstood organ

    "Sigh. My parents have never bought a copy of the Guardian in their lives."

    not even when you rang to tell them you'd got the job?

    "Yeah congratulations love...just don't expect me to ever buy a copy of the bloody thing"
    But hey, thanks for reducing me to a crude stereotype. Girls love that kind of thing"

    er hang on..you seem to be suggesting this is a misogynist thing (how novel!)...but surely, for that to be the case, I'd have to have implied the male employees get their job on merit while the females get wafted in on a cloud of privilege and nepotism...I did no such thing...one word..Gogarty

    anyway...nice to meet you Christine...top trumps wise... I give you 4/10 under the "feisty response" category..I dare say I'll be disappeared now so your post can be filed away under "fierce Irish journo chick nails troll"..that kinda thing always play well around here on fantasy island.

    ------------------------------------------

    That place is disappearing up its own arse...can nobody stand up to the vile obnoxious profane green-eyed bile..?

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  114. Are you saying they set her up Paul?

    I wouldn't be suprised.

    But then again she surely should have read enough of the comments to know better, even Bella pretends that she doesn't go to dinner parties.

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  115. Sorry Thauma, I've had a lot on, will do it this week.

    I don't mean to be mean to her but earning the job would surely entail reading the comments and being able to match the zeitgeist (is that right?) of the place.

    She should have had better guidance but that was a dog of a first comment.

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  116. Just to add i don't have anything personal against Christine.I don't know her FFS.And maybe i'll be proved wrong.She may turn out to be the best thing that's ever happened to waddya.Who knows?But it really wasn't a good start and as i said before the people working with her at Guardian Towers should and IMO could have given her more guidance in dealing with her first day BTL.

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  117. MF - I struggle to see what might have violated their much-vaunted standards.

    Jen - you would think so, re getting the feel of the place.

    But as I said, I'm feeling magnanimous (how kind of me!) and will wait and see.

    Right, off upstairs now with no further ado. NN all.

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  118. "Just parking this here since it was resulted in an instant ban for AstonVanilla...within about 30 actually...so the thread now reads "New Girl nails troll with ironic putdown"...pathetic sweetheart...bailed out by the mods day 1..."

    Good to see you making friends with the new girl, MF ;)

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  119. Bloody Hell, bring back Matt Seaton, all is forgiven. At least he could make a proper tit of himself ATL and didn't know when to stop digging below it!

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  120. Just got booted offline for two hours - it has begun!!??

    Paul

    Nah, I'm pretty sure nobody's goin' nowhere, but that ballamory101 fella sure looks like a formidable opponent!!

    Habib

    Don't remember that - I'm guessing it was way before my time though!!

    ;0)

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  121. but it was followed by another post making staggeringly unpleasant allegations against him,

    Sorry, Jimmy, but they weren't allegations. They were facts. Your chum Martyn is a sick, racist, phony fucker.


    and carry on her ugly vendetta against Martyn. Some people here have seriously lost the plot.

    No vendetta -- just setting the record straight. You do seem to have rather lost the plot, though, haven't you? Sticking up for racist fuckwads is really rather unbecoming.

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  122. I have missed a lot on here recently but I did see Martyns 'so called' apology.

    He actually apologised for calling Paul a 'nigger' because he didn't know he was black, is that right?

    So it is ok to call someone a 'house nigger' if you think they are white?

    I couldn't make head nor tail of it myself, it is the word and the attitude that makes it racist not the recipient.

    As far as I can tell Paul, it wasn't an apology at all.

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  123. What's an IP hider, and how do I get me one??

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  124. Obviously...once the ban kicks in..they all come out swinging..which is why BeigeCityRollers has been taken on as Aston's very own Max Cliffird...he responds to a certain Ms Gingold...

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    Hermione

    "you made an assumption. you got it wrong"

    As AstonVanilla's official press agent, I'm permitted to say.."Let's look at that again shall we?"

    ~1) Oxford or Cambridge?

    2) Who're your mum or dad related to?..or who do they know at the Guardian?~


    ~1. Neither. I'm Irish, went to university there where it's free, and frankly find this obsession with class and background inexplicable.~

    ..or....'Neither...I went to the Irish version'

    ~2. Sigh. My parents have never bought a copy of the Guardian in their lives. But hey, thanks for reducing me to a crude stereotype. Girls love that kind of thing.~

    or, rather '...blah blah..false flag.."MISOGYNY"!'

    from which we can conclude... it's someone fairly high up and embarrassing

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    gradually...little by little waddaya yields to me

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  125. Well at least on this site we don't have to waste valuable time in the circle of hell argueing about moderation!

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  126. I see ChristineBono's making quite a splash already.

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  127. "and frankly find this obsession with class and background inexplicable."

    Heh. She gonna fit rite in.

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  128. gradually...little by little waddaya yields to me

    18 October, 2010 22:46
    Well, quite; give them enough rope and all that!....

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  129. It has to be organic, fair-trade rope, hand-woven by Peruvian artisans (but picked up by the 'just under minimum wage', Eastern European 'help' at the local Habitat, mind), otherwise they won't touch it!

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  130. Jen

    The whole business with MIE wound me up big time so i don't wanna dwell too much on it.But you're right calling someone what MIE called me would have been unacceptable if i had been White.BTW i hope your exam went OK.I know you think it went badly but everyone thinks that and usually it turns out to be not as bad as you thought.

    Also i read your posts on waddya and you shouldn't feel guilty about claiming benefits because you're unfit for work.You paid into the system for long enough so they are yours by right.Might be an idea to see your GP at regular intervals to keep him/her updated on how badly you feel.For when the DWP send you the ESA50 form which precedes the ATOS medical it might help if you get a letter from your GP backing up your claim which you can then send back with the form.:-)

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  131. Paul

    I can understand why you want to put it behind you.

    My exam went terribly and there is not a chance that I passed, the resit will cost me and basically I am not willing to put either the money or the effort into it so I have put the course behind me (with lessons learned).

    I am seeing a GP (not my usual GP) on Thursday, not because I am worried about the ESA questions but because I am unwell.

    I am basically in a bit of a mess, I blame the OU. ;)

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  132. Jen

    (If I may)

    There were a couple of times I seriously thought about dropping out of uni, for many reasons, but I'm really, really glad that in the end, I didn't.


    Like I said before, an OU degree can open up many doors, regardless of what it's in, and even if it doesn't, I think finishing it is something that you'd never regret - whereas the opposite, not so much.

    Plus, you don't know you failed yet!!

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  133. James

    I do know I failed that exam.

    However I wasn't happy with this module from the start and as much as I would like to cast it all aside in a temper, I am not that daft.

    I have signed up for another course and I hope that I have learned from the last one.

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  134. Maybe Christine might come over here and learn how un-moderated discussion can work quite well and be reasonably civilised.
    Sure, we have some cyber brawls now and again and they can get pretty gruesome but we don't have petty "milk monitors" telling us to behave ourselves.
    We don't need them. If we did this site would have been dead in the water a long time ago.

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  135. Jenni

    reading your waddya post has set me to thinking about the affect/effect upon people with MH problems of all the name calling and blame shifting going on.

    Anybody already struggling with depression and feelings about their self worth could very easily be feeling worse than ever.

    Discuss this with your Gp and well as mentioning the pressure this is putting on you with regards to your future.

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  136. Jen

    Sorry to hear you're on a downer and hope the GP you're seeing on thursday will be able to help.Hope you'll stick with your OU degree as it will give you a real sense of achievement when you graduate.And i understand the OU have a Financial Awards system for people on low incomes so if you ever get stuck financially that might be an option for you.Hope you soon feel better and i won't recommend you take one of Sprouts suggestions for perking yourself up-eg visit a nail bar- cos that would be asking for a well deserved smack in the gob :-)

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  137. Leni

    I know what you mean but as someone with mental health problems you learn to walk the line between getting some help and being committed.

    I have only been close to being institutionlised (sp) once and luckily I had family (who have since moved away) around me.

    I am already virtually unemployable but once I have 'loony bin' on my record I might as well give up.

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  138. Montana Wildhack said...

    >> .. Martyn is a sick, racist, phony fucker.

    No, I'm not. But that is your opinion. I am not sick, I am not racist, and I am not a phony.

    I did insult Paul, and it was very wrong, and I apologised, and I know I had no excuse, even if I was drunk.

    When did I hurt you Montana? Really, I fail to understand.

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  139. Paul

    My hair is already lovely, my nails are naturally good and my clothes are stylish (in a second hand way), I walk every day and my diet is good.

    According to Bru I should be happy.

    I know she made a stupid comment about mental health but you would be amazed how many other people say the same kind of stuff.

    She was only saying what a lot of people think.

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  140. Jen

    Ahh, my apologies, I misunderstood, and got all like my mum!!

    Chekhov

    I do wonder what it'd be like if some of the Guardian big-hitters came over here for a day or two.
    It'd be interesting, certainly, but I can't see it happening any time soon!!

    Leni(and Jen)

    Make no mistake, it's not an accidental thing.
    They know that those they now attack are more likely to break, and quicker, than anybody else, and it's exactly why they're charging while the going's good.

    They have a once in a lifetime opportunity, and boy are the going for it....

    Paul

    0/

    (just so you don't feel left out!)

    ;0)

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  141. James

    It isn't just you (and your mum).

    I say I failed the exam and whoever I am saying it to says I am wrong.

    It might be something to do with the mock self effacing culture we have going on.

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  142. Thought we might keep this one from Whaddya. A bit bulky, but...

    BennyBadman
    18 October 2010 8:39PM

    Is it me, or are:

    Will Adderley
    CEO, Dunelm Group
    Robert Bensoussan
    Chairman, L.K. Bennett
    Andy Bond
    Chairman, ASDA
    Ian Cheshire
    Chief Executive, Kingfisher
    Gerald Corbett
    Chairman, SSL International, moneysupermarket.com, Britvic
    Peter Cullum
    Executive Chairman, Towergate
    Tej Dhillon
    Chairman and CEO, Dhillon Group
    Philip Dilley
    Chairman, Arup
    Charles Dunstone
    Chairman, Carphone Warehouse Group
    Chairman, TalkTalk Telecom Group
    Warren East
    CEO, ARM Holdings
    Gordon Frazer
    Managing Director, Microsoft UK
    Sir Christopher Gent
    Non-Executive Chairman, GlaxoSmithKline
    Ben Gordon
    Chief Executive, Mothercare
    Anthony Habgood
    Chairman, Whitbread
    Chairman, Reed Elsevier
    Aidan Heavey
    Chief Executive, Tullow Oil
    Neil Johnson
    Chairman, UMECO
    Nick Leslau
    Chairman, Prestbury Group
    Ian Livingston
    CEO, BT Group
    Ruby McGregor-Smith
    CEO, MITIE Group
    Rick Medlock
    CFO, Inmarsat; Non-Executive Director lovefilms.com, The Betting Group
    John Nelson
    Chairman, Hammerson
    Stefano Pessina
    Executive Chairman, Alliance Boots
    Nick Prest
    Chairman, AVEVA
    Nick Robertson
    CEO, ASOS
    Sir Stuart Rose
    Chairman, Marks & Spencer
    Tim Steiner
    CEO, Ocado
    Andrew Sukawaty
    Chairman and CEO, Inmarsat
    Michael Turner
    Executive Chairman, Fuller, Smith and Turner
    Moni Varma
    Chairman, Veetee
    Paul Walker
    Chief Executive, Sage
    Paul Walsh
    Chief Executive, Diageo
    Robert Walters
    CEO, Robert Walters
    Joseph Wan
    Chief Executive, Harvey Nichols
    Bob Wigley
    Chairman, Expansys, Stonehaven Associates, Yell Group
    Simon Wolfson
    Chief Executive, Next

    - all complete cunts ?

    Cheers

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  143. James

    Often aware of my inadequecies - inability to help or resolve problems - these last few months have really crystalised the feeling.

    There are millions of us who recognise the injustice of what is happening and understand that this is the next wave of the attack to destroy the concept of the common good and a cohesive , supportive society - we know this and yet we seem helpless.

    We are like rabbits in the headlights' glare.

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  144. Jen

    I meant like my mum in the sense of the desperation she had about me going to university, and the hysterical fear she then had that I'd drop out before I finished!!

    (If I ever said that I'd thought I'd failed an exam, She'd say 'well you should have revised more', I'd say 'I revised loads', and then she'd say something like, 'well, I guess you're just stupid then, aren't you!?').

    But I do know what you mean about the 'Oh, definitely failed...' culture!

    (If I ever did it though, it was because I didn't want to be all cocky, and then look like a total numpty when the marks came in!!)

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  145. Jenni

    I trust your judgement re exam.

    Tell me about your new course.

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  146. @moonwave, lovin your words.

    @ Habib, hope u well pra mera, Flashing Blade, seminal.

    everyone else 1 good song Two ACE vids!

    This too
    shall pass

    Jen, keep ur chin up, my sister has mentalist in big letters all over her face & her files, just got a job as school dinner lady! Woot!


    NN u cuddly fuckin' monkey nuts!

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  147. Leni

    I know what you mean, and again, I'd argue that this is deliberate.

    A large part of the last 30 years or so, has been about removing that feeling of power, or control, so that now, even those who want to stand up, feel that they can't, or that it won't matter anyway.

    We're rapidly approaching the last point of no return now though, I fear!!

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  148. (AFK for 15 minutes....- just so nobody thinks I'm being rude...)

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  149. turm, the school dinner 'turf' is already claimed around here. ;)

    I should be so lucky.

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  150. JD:"I do wonder what it'd be like if some of the Guardian big-hitters came over here for a day or two.
    It'd be interesting, certainly, but I can't see it happening any time soon!"

    Guardian "Big Hitters" my arse!
    I'm a light weight but I'd punch above it to take those charlatans on.
    Besides "Monkeyfish" and "Hank Scorpio" would do a much better job than I could achieve!

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  151. chekhov

    I don't know what you mean by 'big hitter' but I don't see why either monkeyfish or hank would do a better job at telling people what a working class life is like.

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  152. Funnier than it first appears, give it 3 mins...

    NN, really this time....

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  154. @jennifera30: you are no doubt right. I didn't profess to know anything. In fact I know bugger all. Thankyou for pulling me up short for my inadiquasies, I spelt that wrong (horrifically wrong!)That is really shit and I apologise!

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  155. Chekhov

    Yeah, I sort of meant exactly that.

    Take most of these intellectual 'heavyweights' outside of Cif and they would really, really struggle, I reckon.

    The irony is that, perhaps, if they did ever step outside of the relative safety of the 'cif dinner party', they might actually be able to write something real, and worthwhile, and then be less likely to need the moderators to fight their corner for them over there in the first place!!!

    But, hell, what do I know...??

    Evening Turm

    Hope you're well, and that things are looking up for you!!

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  156. Martyn

    No, I'm not. But that is your opinion. I am not sick, I am not racist, and I am not a phony.

    I did insult Paul, and it was very wrong, and I apologised, and I know I had no excuse, even if I was drunk.

    When did I hurt you Montana? Really, I fail to understand.


    Against my better judgement i'm going to respond to your above post to Montana.For i think her description of you is actually pretty accurate.And this tendancy of yours to always cast yourself in the role of 'victim' is IMO a serious character flaw on your part.Unless of course you have some psychological problem which makes it impossible for you to face up to certain unpalatable truths about yourself.

    What were you hoping to achieve when you submitted your post on waddya at 9.47pm on the 15 October 2010 openly criticizing Montana?Were you hoping to demonise her in the eyes of people on waddya like you tried to demonise me before you finally gave an apology which may well have had a sincerity rating of nil.Or like the way you've tried to demonise Monkeyfish on waddya conveniently omitting to let people know that he has a justifiable grievance against you.

    You have consistanly used waddya to snipe at the UT and when someone from the UT challenges you your immediate response is to play 'victim'.Just like tonight with your post to Montana.And just like your waddya post about Montana on the 15 October 2010

    I can't speak for either Montana or Monkeyfish but i think you are one sad sorry specimen of manhood and i almost pity you.And i for one am glad you won't be posting here again.

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  157. That Christine does seem friendly so on reflection i'm prepared to give her a chance.See how she pans out.In the meantime here's a classic from Boz Scaggs

    Nite all

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