21 August 2009

Daily Chat 21/08/09

Ooops! Bit late today -- sorry. In 1770 James Cook claimed eastern Australia for Great Britain. In 1851, Tlingit destroyed Fort Selkirk, Yukon Territory. And in 1863, Confederate guerilla William Quantrill led a raid on the town of Lawrence, Kansas. More than 200 people were killed. I have a personal connection to this event. My great-great-great grandfather, William Franklin Treakle was a farmer in Cass County, Missouri, on the Missouri-Kansas border. About a week before Quantrill's raid, he overheard some of Quantrill's men discussing the plans. At the age of 85, he walked the 35 miles to the US army garrison at Lawrence to warn them about the raid. The Union soldiers there ignored his warning and didn't request additional troops or take any precautions against the raid. When Quantrill's men found out that my ancestor had tried to warn the Union troops, they killed him.

Celebrating birthdays today: Kenny Rogers, Peter Weir, Mamadou Diallo and Usain Bolt. The Orthodox Church observes the feast of St. Thaddeus today.

79 comments:

  1. Reposted to todays thread on behalf of Bitterweed

    *************
    I have a PDF copy of Paul Foot's 2001 special report, Lockerbie - The Flight From Justice
    *************

    Send me an email if you want a copy. If you don't have my addy, leave a message below with some ***** above it so I definitely see it.

    Given today's announcement, it's well worth a look.
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    @MontanaW
    Could you possibly post this on a new thread tonight/tomorrow in case this one's had its day and my offer gets missed??

    Thanks !

    Rgds
    BW

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  2. Usain Bolt's birthday? He'll probably have it in 12 hours instead of the usual 24.

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  3. ****** Morning Bitterweed

    I would love a copy of the report if you have time to send one to me.

    My email is originalfxy@gmail.com

    Many thanks! It is something I have been following a long while.

    Original/Scientologyisacult ******

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  4. Hi Original, it's on my pc at home, will sort later.
    BW

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  5. Brilliant - thank you :-)

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  6. Hi Deano:

    I’ve never been to Hull, so I can’t comment on the music scene, but I think The Housemartins used to say, in a self-deprecating way, that they were the fourth best band there.

    The holiday was excellent; the part of the north Cornish coast between Newquay and Padstow is great, and I’d recommend it to anyone. Much quicker to get to from London than the NW coast of Scotland, which is a plus. If only the sun had shone a bit more...

    We didn’t have much luck on the car front though. We took two cars, so we could get all our luggage and kids in.

    I had a crash on the way down (almost all the way there fortunately), and the insurance company have finally decided that my friend’s car, which I borrowed, is a write off. She’s not going to be pleased when she gets back later today :-(

    Then my GF suffered a broken fuel pump on the way back and had to be towed back from Reading. Not sure if her car’s worth repairing now, but it’s given great service over the years.

    But we didn’t let it overshadow the holiday, and of course we’ve still got each other ;-)

    It was only one job application, and I didn’t yet it (:-( again). I’ll have to start looking properly now I’m back.

    Also: who is Usain Bolt? I could obviously google it, but I’d rather have one of you explain it to me...

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  7. andy

    Usain Bolt is that ridiculously fast sprinter who's busy breaking world records whilst appearing to be merely strolling past the camera waving (gawd knows how fast he'd go if he actually tried.........)

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  8. Many thanks for the info about your ancestor Montana - a hero in my eyes certainly.

    Hollywood has always favoured the south, even coldhearted killers like Quantrill (whom Jesse James rode with) over the union forces. Eastwood's The Outlaw Josey Wales is a good example: it was written by a Klansman called Forrest Carter who wrote some of George Wallace's most famous lines. He and his scummy gang also beat up Nat King Cole.

    Goodness andy

    'Then my GF suffered a broken fuel pump on the way back and had to be towed back from Reading.'

    How big is the g/f????

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  9. "How big is the g/f????"

    Hee hee! Good one Edwin.

    Thanks for the great link to "piss all over your grave": it lead me to my new favourite group.

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  10. Shit – they closed the etiquette thread.

    I didn’t realise it had been running for three days already.

    Now I won’t be able to respond to BTH’s final comment in situ, so I’ll have to do it here. I’m sure he’ll read my response eventually anyway...

    *Glad to see you enjoyed the thread. Jay does come up with a good suggestion every now and then, and we like to encourage the lad.

    Also interesting to learn that you too have problems (you don’t say what, exactly, but I won’t speculate) with the immigration authorities. Your suggestion to Montana is amusing though not, I suspect, entirely serious.

    I don’t know whether BB does pro bono legal work, but I’m sure that if she did, Montana would be high on her list of deserving recipients. You, on the other hand, would probably have to wait your turn and then pay...

    And it really is bad etiquette, at the very least, for someone who has failed to grasp the difference between etiquette and rules to then complain about the Moderators allowing off-topic comments to remain.

    Here’s a little something I found on youtube. Dig, dig, dig Which one are you?*

    Dotterel: thanks for that.

    Bolt by name and bolt by nature, eh?

    Edwin: Ho bloody ho.

    I don’t think she’d appreciate that comment, somehow...

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  11. I meant to say 'thanks for the clip LordSummerisle', of course

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  12. @ Andy

    Sorry to read of the tribulations but glad to see you have retained your sense of proportion and fun.

    My fegging computer is a pain in the arse of the late - it is very hard work to get it to post without crashing. But I continue to read here everyday...

    Regards and hope all well with the friend who loaned her car

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  13. Who is Usain Bolt? Andy, where were you holidaying? Mars?

    No probs, Martillo. Goth's great when it's not taking itself too seriously. Love that link right back at 'ya.

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  14. For the record, this is a tune I love more for the lyrics than anything else. Not to be taken too seriously of course ...

    Scary Bitches - Piss All Over Your Grave

    I hope you die young, I hope you die in pain
    I hope you die alone in the pouring rain
    I hope you die cold and empty inside they send you to hell on the other side
    I hope you die young, I hope you die in pain
    I hope you die alone and half insane
    And I hope that I'm still alive
    So I can dance and sing and piss all over your grave

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  15. Yeah! Wayne/Jayne County, that takes me back.

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  16. Just looked at the end of the etiquette thread. BTH says something about the moderator's 'RED pencil'. It's 'blue pencil' isn't it? Can't that useless twat get anything right...even primary colours?

    Was there any news on the 'day in the life of a moderator' suggestion? That's the one I'd like to read.

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  17. Don't happen to know where I could find a copy of Supercharge's "She moved the dishes first", do you?

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  19. Just found this YouTube surfing.

    Macc Lads on Macclesfield Local News

    Local MP says "It's not something I'd want my daughter to hear". Stoke police have pledged to charge them with breach of the peace if they hear any swearing in their songs.

    ... and I thought (NWH say) Grab Yo' Stuff from Fear Of A Black Hat was a spoof of rappers!

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  20. 'Macclesfield Local News'

    Just reading Julian Rathbone's marvellous Kings of Albion in which the hero, a 15th-century assassin (one of the original Shia ones) complains about the weather in Macclesfield.

    andy, women just hate talking about weight. I once heard my wife on the phone trying to describe this enormous woman; ' 'she is large-framed for her age' etc - in fact all you had to do to identify her was go into the room and look for the largest moving object.

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  21. Oy!
    You lot !

    Stop having such a good time when a) I'm trying to do some work and b) in the gaps trying to get ultimathule off my case.

    Thanks

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  22. BTH
    Hi you cockless bell end.

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  23. And with that he was away.

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  24. Which thread is the thule pestering on?

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  25. Ban this 'having a good time' filth!

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  26. It was one of her more thoughtful replies actually, although still bound up in pomo cop-outs

    Libby brooks on Kate Moss, postcards and victorian totty.

    I have been most restrained!

    LordS

    Down with this sort of thing !
    (Careful now!)

    PS
    BTH
    My last comment was wholly unnacceptable and I apologise.

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  27. A Bindel article, every word of which I agree with!

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  28. PLease read the MacShane article, folks. Bloodboiling stuff. Swifty may have a seizure when he reads it. MacShane is one of the most sickening creatures in the whole NewLab machine, and considering the competition...

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  29. LordS: I was in Cornwall.

    We tried to get a Holiday in Cambodia, but all the flights were booked ;-)

    I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment of that Scary Bitches' song (Skrewdriver were a bunch of hate-fuelled arseholes), but to me it sounds musically and lyrically clichéd.

    That Lesbian Death Bed thing was pretty lame too, martillo. Sorry :-(

    *Revolutionary content is not enough, comrade, we need new forms for our revolutionary art.*

    Maybe this is more my cup of tea:

    Sonic Youth - Youth Against Fascism

    For some reason this clip is a bit quiet, and you really need to hear it LOUD...

    Edwin: yeah, apparently we’ve both got to go on a diet now we’ve got back from holiday.

    Jay: the terms of your recommendation are such that I may just have to check it out.

    I hope you’re not exaggerating...

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  30. "you're an impotent jerk
    yeh a fascist twerp"

    I like Sonic Youth too, Andy, but do you honestly not find those lyrics 'clichéd'? Or the music...

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  31. On another note, does anyone know how emilybutselaar pronounces her name?

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  32. martillo: yeah, you’re probably right.

    Not one of the Youth’s best, and perhaps a little cliched. Still prefer it to Scary Bitches or Lesbian Death Bed though.

    Jay: Macshane’s piece is obviously shite, but hardly blood boiling shite, just standard New Labour disingenuousness.

    Liked your comment though.

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  33. Montana-under-the-laundry-pile21 August, 2009 14:56

    @Edwin:

    Thanks for the comment about my g-g-g-grandfather. I'm really proud of that (rather undeservedly, since *I* wasn't the person who did it). But the combination of courage and determination is really incredible. And 85 yr old man (at a time when 60 was pretty old) from a slave-holding state walking 35 miles in a Midwestern summer to try to save the lives of others...

    And I totally agree with you about Hollywood. It absolutely disgusts me the way pretty much everything that is done about the Civil War romanticises the South. They weren't noble souls fighting to preserve a way of life -- they were fucking traitors fighting to maintain the right to own human beings as property. I think the US Civil War is maybe the only war in history where the losers were allowed to set the narrative. I'd better stop, before I go into full-on rant mode. One of my bigger sources of irritation.

    @martillo: I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing it's boots a lar 1st syllable could be byoots, though.

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  34. @Montana:

    I'm a big fan of the Civil War, that is, if you can be a fan of a war... oh, you know what I mean.

    And as for Hollywood - there's one great Civil War movie that doesn't get all dewy eyed about the secessionists (or indeed about war).

    The Red Badge of Courage.

    Great film, that. And with a fascinating cast, as well - Audie Murphy, Bill Mauldin, Andy Devine, Royal Dano. All worth wikipedia'ing if some amongst you aren't familiar with them, or their stories.

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  35. Macshane is a hypocritical tosser. Typical NuLab bollocks. A candidate for a pineapple up the fundament.

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  36. That's a relief, montana, cos it could come out butt seller...

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  37. Civil War movie (sort of) - 'The Beguiled' (1971). Clint Eastwood, dir Don Siegel. Interesting movie.

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  38. @Anonymous:

    Set in the girl's boarding school?

    I also quite liked Ride With The Devil. Had a certain swagger to it.

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  39. Indeed, swifty, boarding school it was. Whatever you do, don't eat the mushrooms.

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  40. @Anonymous:

    Whatever you do, don't eat the mushrooms.

    Or indeed, don't ever let Clint Eastwood into your house if you've five daughters...

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  41. Blimey - the Aussies are in bother. 108-5. Still 224 behind.

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  42. And finally from me - hurrah. A CiF ATL'er has finally made the connection we've all been waiting for - race and mannish-looking women.

    Like Semenya, both women were of African descent, provoking problematic questions about racial expectations of what a woman should look like as well.

    C L Minou, I'm very proud of you.

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  43. 111-7 Collapse! Broad's 5th wicket.

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  44. Goldmine makes me laugh quite a lot of the time. Then I feel guilty.

    Can't believe that someone on the art forgery thread has challenged the suggestion it might be a little pseudy.

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  45. I've taken the unprecendeted step of copying this post on the Peter Andre thread (yes really!) over here, just for a Friday afternoon bit of a giggle....

    meandme
    21 Aug 09, 3:08pm (about 1 hour ago)
    JUST WHAT EVERYONE NEEDS IS YET ANOTHER DOSE OF PETER ANDRE WE HAVE LISTENED TO HIM GIVING INSULT AFTER INSULT ABOUT HIS WIFE [[ YOU REMEMER THE ONE HE SAID HE WOULD NOT COMMENT ABOUT IN CASE HIS KIDS READ IT ONE DAY ]] THE SAME PERSON HE SAID HE WOULD NEVER GO BACK TO [ OH I FORGOT THE SAME GIRL HE HAS MADE MILLIONS BY BEING MARRIED TOO ] AND THE MAN WHO PROCLAIMS HE IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT ROBBIE WILLIAMS ]] SOME CHANCE OF THAT, AND THE MAN WHO SAYS HE THINKS BEING ON A REALITY SHOW HELPED END HIS MARRAGE ] WE ARE BEING ASKED TO SIT AND WATCH HIM IN HIS OWN REALITY SHOW SULKING AND MOPING AROUND HIS NEW HOME BURNING SAUSAGES, I DID TRY TO WATCH IT BUT IT WAS PAINFULLY SO BORING AND NOW HES HEADING OFF BACK TO THE JUNGLE WHERE HE FIRST MET KATIE THE MAN IS STILL TRYING TO WALK IN KATIES FOOTSTEPS [ LETS HOPE HE WILL JUST STOP THERE ] I THINK ITS ABOUT TIME HE LEARNED HOW TO BE [PETER ANDRE ] AND NOT MR, KATIE PRICE'S X THE GIRL SHOULD BE RELIEVED HES GONE SO SHE CAN CONTINUE TO BE HERSELF A GREAT BUISINESS WOMAN RUNNING SEVERAL MULTI MILLION POUND EMPIRES AND MAKING SURE THOSE LITTLE ONES NEVER WANT FOR ANYTHING WHATEVER ANYONES OPPINION OF KATIE SHE WILL NEVER NEED ANYONE AND SHE TOO WILL NOT WANT FOR ANYTHINK GOOD LUCK WITH THE REST OF YOUR LIVE KATIE

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  46. Blimey. Where's "Justice_4_Maddie", "Brown_out",
    "Broken_Britan" and all the rest of the Private Eye messageboarders? Have they all started chipping in yet?

    Peter Andre comes near my kids, I swear I'll do time...

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  47. Ah, you're Team Katie are you Swifty?

    Bet you've got the tee shirt and everthing.

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  48. @Vari:

    Ugh. I honestly couldn't give a toss about either of those orange bimbos. She's a nightmare, he's a big ponce, the only thing I will say, in true CiF fashion, is "will no one think of the children?".

    I do rather wish I'd seen the programme though, I don't normally like car crash telly but it does sound genuinely hilarious.

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  49. Swifty asks

    'where's "Justice_4_Maddie", "Brown_out",
    "Broken_Britan" and all the rest of the Private Eye messageboarders? '

    Well Edwin is here if not 'Edwin' - my wife swears that the nice-but-very-dim Private Eye 'Edwin' is modelled on me - a foul slander I say.

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  50. @Edwin:

    In a very real sense, in and of itself, as sayeth our Lord Jesus Christ... is that Edwin?

    I like Bogbrush - never takes offence despite the calumnies heaped upon him, good public school man ("cheers guys"), etc.

    I went to school with a lad we kindly named Bogbrush.

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  51. @Swifty:

    I've not seen the film of The Red Badge of Courage, but I had to read the book in high school. It may well be a wonderful book, but our American Lit teacher was one of those people who obsessed on analysing minutiae for symoblism.

    Wasn't Audie Murphy one of those actors who was actually quite heroic in WW II? I could Google, but this is just a quick sit down. Can't tell you how much I want to lay into my son (VERBALLY, Bitethehand, not physically) when he gets home today about the state of his room, but after he's been gone a week, it seems like that wouldn't be a very loving mother sort of thing to do.

    Back when the dryer's done... I hope.


    I almost think I've seen The Beguiled. If I have, it was a very long time ago, but it seems familiar. Not much of an Eastwood fan, myself. Strikes me as one of those people who loves himself enough that I don't need to. Plus, he tends to make films that don't appeal to me.

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  52. I don't believe you Swifty. I think you have more to say on the subject of Peter and Katie....

    I have to confess that I have skyplussed the programme, I was flicking through the channels the other night and caught a few seconds of it, realised it was potential comedy gold and pressed the red button.

    I shall look forward to watching it with a bottle of wine.

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  53. @MW:

    Yes, Audie Murphy was the most highly-decorated US soldier of WWII (looked good in wallpaper). And his co-star Bill Mauldin was a cartoonist/GI during that same war, he created Willie and Joe, the anti-GIs who featured in Stars and Stripes.

    Like say, worth wiki-ing the pair of them. Interesting characters.

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  54. Swifty,

    I too went to school with a bogbrush, got told off for fighting him in primary school if I recall.....

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  55. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_radio_five_live_sports_extra


    hey MW,, just in case you dont know and are interested,,i can get it in canada so i presume you will be able to get it also,,

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  56. " Macshane is a hypocritical tosser. Typical NuLab bollocks. A candidate for a pineapple up the fundament."

    He's a superb candidate, we'd have to find a particularly large and malformed pineapple though.

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  57. So has official Untrusted punishment policy gone from showing them the pigs to shoving a large piece of exotic and spiky fruit up their arse?

    I’m not necessarily disagreeing, but I would have liked to be consulted...

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  58. " Macshane is a hypocritical tosser. Typical NuLab bollocks. A candidate for a pineapple up the fundament."

    Of the exploding variety I hope.

    ***********************************
    BW - Can i have a copy of that article. You know where my email add. is. Thanks
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  59. "So has official Untrusted punishment policy gone from showing them the pigs to shoving a large piece of exotic and spiky fruit up their arse?"

    Its not an either/or, Andy. They are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps they could be lowered into the pit still "carrying" their fruit.

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  60. Sheff, wilco.

    Jay/andy
    A pineapple up the arse of the offender might serve as an appetising, if ironic opening course for a coral of hungry and radicalised attack-pigs.

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  61. Jay: thanks for the clarification.

    I thought I’d missed an important change of policy while I was on holiday.

    Maybe, for a bit of variety, we could try occasionally showing them the pineapple and shoving a pig up their arse?

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  62. Have to say that in a history of egregious pieces on cif the current MacShane effort takes the bloody biscuit.

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  63. MsC

    Missed you at the town hall this morning. were you there?

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  64. Paul Foot article = Sorted folks, on its way.

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  65. btw BW have you read his Red Shelley? Brilliant book.

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  66. No probs Sheff. No, I haven't red that. I liked him though. My old man knew him for a bit when he was a lot younger, had loads of time for him.

    Got to go now, got visitors who appear to have brought wine AND beer.

    Lordy !

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  67. We wouldnt make such rash changes without a full consultation, Andy. The pigs are still very much in the reckoning.

    As for the reversal, pig in arse and fed to a pineapple, this could work too. The googly of the UT armoury, keep em on their toes... MacShane would have to get a full on cactus, not just a pineapple though.

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  68. A pineapple is so un-guardian though.

    I suggest an ugly fruit and a bag of kumquats.

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  69. Andy -

    "Maybe, for a bit of variety, we could try occasionally showing them the pineapple and shoving a pig up their arse?"

    That's cruel! What's the pig done to deserve that! :)

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  70. Sealion re full on cactus!

    OMG! ROTFLMAO!!!!

    I think I need to lie down! ;D

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