19 November 2010

19/11/10


The eternal silence of these infinite spaces fills me with dread.
-Blaise Pascal




325 comments:

  1. I really ought to be in bed right now, but I've been sucked into watching a show about one-hit wonders of the 80s. Having lived in Europe for nearly 3 years in the 80s has caused me a couple of moments of WTF. Apparently, XTC and Madness were both one-hit wonders over here. I never knew that. ???

    Have one of my favourite one-hit wonders from the 80s to start off your day. (If you can't listen at work -- come back to it when you can. That's an order.)

    Oh, heck. Have another one.

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  2. Montana,

    TomTom Club are great, I've been listening to them a lot lately.

    XTC are bloody brilliant as well- Love on a farmboy's wages, Generals and Majors, Dear God, Making plans for Nigel etc etc.

    One of the great underrated bands of the 80's. Along with Talk Talk.

    gandolfo,

    just saw your post last night about the PVV. Six out of the 24 PVV MP's have shall we say 'previous'- assault, sexual offences, beating their wives and financial irregularities- the kind of behaviour that Wilders said his party would crack down on during the election campaign. And another two have been caught lying about their past this week.

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  3. oh god. that's just not fair. turn on today to wake up gently, to find beacampbellobe is on, talking about page 3 (40 years ago, two days ago).

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  4. argh, she's rolling out stats.

    and using words like 'signifier'.

    thing is, i probably agree with her. but i struggle...

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  5. XTC were so talented it's untrue, and I've blathered here before about TomTom Club (especially the bass player... cor)

    On a more serious topic, who the fuck has got, in their "armchair", the time and resource, let alone the political clout and media presence to effectively replace the Audit Commission ?

    Transparency my arse Dave.

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  6. bitterweed - maybe the recent helen disney article, where BTL clocked her PR / paid shill role pretty much immediately, was a clever testing programme to see if an audit role could be safely handed over to Cif.

    cheap home-workers who pay for their own broadband? check...

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  7. Duke:

    One of my faves from Tom Tom Club....

    LORELEI

    BEST OF LUCK TO TURMINDER>>>>GO GET 'EM!!!!

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  8. am just playing with the recent departmental spending figures. watch this (slowly loading) space...

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  9. Dave from France..... excellent stuff from Golem.... it isn't 'our' debt and it isn't the Irish people's debt.... why the hell do we have to pay for this?

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  10. Philippa:

    B Campbell does my head in..... and I agree with her...

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  11. Morning all

    From the Torygraph - "Mr Cameron told a committee of MPs: "There is a debate I think we ought to have – obviously not knowing what the date is yet – but whether there ought to be a bank holiday. I think if it's in the middle of the week it would be a very good idea to have a bank holiday."

    I'd like to be a fly on the wall at the internal government debate on that one . The unintended consequence of freeing up millions of people for a special day could be 'interesting' in certain circumstances. Street parties ... who knows where we will be next year ...

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  12. LaRit - I know, aggravating, isn't it?

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  13. 130.000 lines...c'mon, little bime...

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  14. La Rit,

    "Booming and zooming" is a favourite of mine. Brilliant backbeat, bassline and guitar line with incoherent scratchy vocals from a bloke who's either on Apollo 11 or in a New York cab radioing control.

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  15. dave,

    I wonder, is there any mileage in organising an anti-tory day for that day? We could all be nice to some people on benefits (or who would be on benefits if they had still existed then*)....


    *Got my tenses in a tangle, hope you all catch my drift!

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  16. fuck it. giving up. home 'puter can't cope with the load. may have something better later, when can hijack more capacity at work...

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  17. Dave:

    It must be such a burden, deciding on when to have a public 'holiday' to celebrate an uber rich slacker and a very rich slacker getting married.... is it perhaps, in order to marvel at how one can spend £100,000 on a bloody dress????

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  18. Duke - I know ;) it is just so quirky and playful and musical and human, all at the same time.... it shines like a beautiful light in today's world of auto-tune and cover hit parade-chicanery bollocks...

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  19. In these times of cuts and austerity - it is the one thing that will really piss me off! According to the CBI (back in 2007) a bank holiday costs £6 Billion. Who the fuck is going to pay for it?
    href="http://www.cbi.org.uk/ndbs/press.nsf/38e2a44440c22db6802567300067301b/c0f72b556f4f1d0f8025734100372fc0?OpenDocument"> CBI Link

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  21. Hi La Rit -- as I mentioned last night, he's had one legal threat, and you'd think they wouldn't bother if he was a pure tinfoil-hatter, which he ain't. The inside griff on the German-Irish axis fits in so well with news we had from insider witnesses on the Rating Agencies/ mortgage salespeople/trading rooms/backoffices/ etcetc/ back in 2008.

    Another of my favourite bloggers who is even more on fire than usual is georgewashington2

    Reminders of US history in the Thirties, including -

    As Cohen recounts, "Farmers who stayed on the land were responding to their bleak circumstances with extreme politics and lawlessness." Across the Farm Belt, hundreds of farmers would show up and stop a foreclosure sale by the force of numbers. Some farmers threatened to call a national strike if Congress didn't act. In Sioux City, Iowa, farmers put wooden planks with nails on the highways to block agricultural deliveries. Cohen writes that in Nebraska, a group of farmers "showed up at a foreclosure sale and saw to it that every item that had been seized from a farmer's widow sold for five cents, leaving the bank with a total settlement of just $5.35."


    Well,I was going to say - "those tactics worked then but we're in a new situation/context, so we've gotta think of new ones" - but that's not the main point.

    Which is ?

    What's different, and what's the same, fer a start ... Good Day all, and of course to Turm, as they say in French on these occasions --

    Merde !

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  22. Tim,

    the CBI- Cunts, Bastards and Idiots I believe the initials stand for.

    Viz comic did an absolutely brilliant piss take of the CBI a couple of years back. Under the headline:

    It's your fault we're not making more money

    it then went on to disembowl, skewer and grill them.

    I wish I could find a link to it online, I'll see what I can dig up.

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  23. Second time in two days that Goggle has ignored my tags -- GeorgeWashington2 !

    Dott-- no incoming ? hehe.

    "I wonder, is there any mileage in organising an anti-tory day for that day? We could all be nice to some people on benefits (or who would be on benefits if they had still existed then*)....

    Wonder no more ! ("nice" - you missed the inverteds.)There's an infinite number of possibilities for what to do, or not do ...

    Thinking of V's one-year preparation, a few months would give time for plotting, so it'll be interesting to see what is announced,and when, either way ...

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  24. dave

    "no incoming ?"

    Nope, lost my stone casting privileges after a confession last night...

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  25. Dave:

    Watched with horror/fascination re: the evil of sugar and high fructose corn syrup lecture.... posted about it the other day but lost the post (somewhere in Spamsville I think) this may be of interest on similar subject (passed on to me by Mr LaRit) Hope my links work.... this too, is terrifying.....

    Codex Alimentarius

    Food Safety Modernisation Act

    How to Criminalise Seeds

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  26. Dave - The stuff about the Farmers in the Depression is fascinating......I was wondering about people getting together to try and stop a foreclosure on their home in the here and now?

    Years ago, when my Dad's health was in serious decline, he struggled to find work and was not able to claim benefits (because my Mum worked). They'd got a loan of 2,500 from Barclays about 5 years before for my Dad to set up a (very small) business - it went tits-up as his business partner shat on him from a great height - that £2,500 had become an unbelievable debt of £25,000 (with some very, very dodgy interest and creative accounting applied by the bank - more 'magic zeros' appearing each month) anyway, the bank had a lean on their house..... I am certain the stress of the harassment from the bank certainly contributed to my Dad's rapid decline thereafter, but he reached a point when Barclays were trying to steal the house and sell it off for £25K.... he had had enough, stood up to them, wrote a letter which said - "you get this house over my dead body"..... as it turned out, when he did die, 2 weeks after the funeral, Barclays came after my Mum for another £20K - EVEN THOUGH SHE HAD MADE A FULL AND FINAL SETTLEMENT of £6,000 AND they still retained the deeds of the house!!!

    Anyway, I went after the bastards - the 'debt' was wiped and my Mum has the deeds to her house which she owns outright. It can be done ;) But the saddest thing is, my Dad didn't live to see it and it was , literally, over his dead body that the 'debt' was wiped.

    My motto is now - 'can't pay - won't pay' Fucking, fucking, murderous, greedy, immoral fuckers the lot of them.

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  27. Hi La Rit -- yes itsa fucking nightmare . But, we keep on trucking ! Fuck em . See my georgewashington link above . Fuck em again . Gotta go to bank . Pensionpeople want something stamped by it . And fuck them too . The first really inefficient bureaucrats i have come across in nearly 28yrs here . Grrr and Yeehaw !
    frog2

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  28. I've just had a look at Waddya and Jay and JimPress are doing some very funny Bracken baiting, it is cheap and low humour, just my kind of thing. ;)

    Also funny to see that the 'piss off Bitey' response has made it over there (care of Gillesboy), I don't think his new nym is going to last very long.

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  29. jennifera30

    Also funny to see that the 'piss off Bitey' response has made it over there (care of Gillesboy), I don't think his new nym is going to last very long.

    nym?

    And it doesn't have to - bitethehand does quality not quantity.

    And I have noticed that there's a mod who work UK nights who seems to look out for me. My guess is it's MrsBootstraps doing a bit of moonlighting as the posts are invariably addressing some of her more infantile comments, like the one today suggesting that women who report the crime of rape to the police are a "steaming pile of crap".

    So what with spike/Tony Shallcross/backtothepoint telling rape "jokes" and MrsBootstraps and her "steaming pile of crap", this site is running the risk of becoming known as the rapists' friend.

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  30. More like Therapists' Friend eh Bitey ? Heh.

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  31. "bitethehand does quality not quantity."

    ROTFLMAO At you!

    "More like Therapists' Friend eh Bitey ? Heh"

    ROTFLMAO With you!

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  32. Dotterel,

    "bitethehand does quality not quantity."

    Carlsberg don't do stalkers, but if they did.....

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  33. You know what's so nice about you Duke and Dot, you're always so civilised, unlike some of the foul mouthed company you keep.

    Now don't go and spoil it.

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  34. Jenni, "I've just had a look at Waddya and Jay and JimPress are doing some very funny Bracken baiting"

    If you say so, but I think it's the stuff that makes him cum in his pants, because people are talking about him, without actually telling him he is a shithead.

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  35. "the rapists' friend"?

    fuck off.

    really.

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  36. Your Grace,

    Have you figured out yet whether the above comment from Bitey is a blessing or a curse? I'm confused.

    Yours

    Dot

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  37. Do you think so habib?

    You might be right, I just assumed he would feel very offended by people not taking his intellect seriously and simply mocking his affectations.

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  38. Jenni, I would never mock his intellect or affectations. They're his own thing and good luck to him. I will always call someone a shithead when they behave like one, though.

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  39. Liakoura - mountain home of the muses. Old Bitey isn't half a pretentious fucker, eh? I wonder if he thinks he's Clio (history) what with his extensive archives and stuff?

    I think he's more like Thalia (comedy) or Melpomene (tragedy).

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  40. heyhabib

    ...but I think it's the stuff that makes him cum in his pants, because people are talking about him...

    jennifera30

    ...I just assumed he would feel very offended by people not taking his intellect seriously and simply mocking his affectations.

    I only had a quick glance and this is a drive-by, but isn't Bracken now a spent force over there?

    He shot his load with a couple of ATL pieces and now just looks like a pantomime dame feigning outrage and concocting affronts in order to provoke the unaware or bored into an encounter in which Bracken always declares victory in the face of obliteration.

    John Cleese, apparently, was given a part in a film and the director was going through his lines and actions with him. Cleese said: "That's not funny. <>I'll tell you what's funny."

    The problem is, John Cleese is the only person who does not squirm with embarrassment when watching, er, John Cleese.

    The world moved on and left him behind.

    Just like Bracken.

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  41. Dotterel,

    I'm not really sure but I have this really weird sensation up my spine, this vague sense of unease as if someone is trawling through my posting history.

    Don't know if its related.

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  42. Ha ha Lord Young has quit, what a total idiot.

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  43. My Fuck'em post of 10.52 was not in reply to and agreement with La Rit's Fuck 'em post of 10.48. (Tho we do agree...)

    Independently, looking at the same data and personal experiences, we were coming to the same conclusion .

    Fuck 'em !

    We all know the Why, now we have to think of the How, When and Where. Two days ago jennifera30 said --

    " There is a weird feeling about the world at the moment, I have finally realised that just because something hasn't happened before doesn't mean it won't happen soon.

    I can imagine people sitting in their houses just before WW1 or WW2 and saying 'It will never come to that'.

    It feels like all bets are off. "


    Out of the many witty, wise, informative, erudite, well-informed, even hilarious, etc!, posts here since, that one stuck in my mind . It reminded me of an autobiography describing how a German family experienced their lives from 1933 onwards and then through their very bloody War.

    There is always time for some innocent amusement at various squabbles , much light relief ( I love it ) , but the underlying Serious Bizness is to Fuck 'em. Complete the following phrase --

    " When The Going Gets Tough ..." .

    Now I must reply to Ally on his thread , because there too it's a question of When and How to say Fuck You! to the different thick and greedy weasels who are connniving to reduce the quality of life for the vast majority of us .

    PS . Modern 'Western' Society is so extremely complex that it seems impossible to find something simple and unifying to change it for the better. The people ARE divided, because many have actually never had it so good, not just a few thousand 'Fat Cat' bank staff. Anecdotally, quite a few of my young family and acquaintance are still getting 30% pay-rises..

    Bof! As we say in French . A few thoughts .

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  44. Ha ha Lord Young has quit, what a total idiot.

    Oh, how odd!

    I was just thinking about him and how stupid you must have to be to say the things I quoted yesterday evening.

    After all, they must all have to keep reminding themselves:

    We are all in this together.
    Don't be seen to kick the poor.
    We are all in this together.
    Don't be seen to kick the poor.

    Then, as soon as the idiot open his mouth, it's:

    "What are you filthy scum complaining about? You've never had it so good, you fucking, filthy fuckers."

    Place your bets, please, for the ConDems getting through half their term.

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  45. Across the Farm Belt, hundreds of farmers would show up and stop a foreclosure sale by the force of numbers. Some farmers threatened to call a national strike if Congress didn't act.

    The Midwest used to be the most politically radical part of the US. Kansas and Iowa were particularly so. Henry A. Wallace, a native of Iowa and FDR's first Vice President, was the most left-wing politician ever to hold national office. He was pretty much an out-and-out Commie.

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  46. Your Grace,

    My condolences, I believe I'm safe (although not having saved the post I'm not 100% sure). I vaguely recall Bitey once telling me I never posted anything worth archiving!

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  47. @Bitethehand

    Fuck off, noddy.

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  48. Hello everbody

    another quick in and out for the moment.

    Thinking about Turm and wishing him well.

    Re. opposition to evictions.

    1915 Glasgow rent strikes - one of the leaders was Mary Barbour - organised resistance to the bailiffs trying to evict families from tenement blocks. Most of te families were women and children as the men were in the trenches.

    There are reports of bailiffs being debagged among other indignities. Eventually the bailiifs refused to run the gauntlet - rent racketeering was outlawed by parliament and rents were reduced.

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  49. I see that our dear gentle pacifist Leni mentions a bit of genuine History about bailiffs 'suffering' indignities.

    Very much on topic.

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  50. Montana 13.34--

    "The Midwest used to be the most politically radical part of the US. Kansas and Iowa were particularly so. Henry A. Wallace, a native of Iowa and FDR's first Vice President, was the most left-wing politician ever to hold national office. He was pretty much an out-and-out Commie. "

    I wouldn't even describe him as a 'near-Commie', tho of course others would ! Just a fucking decent and honourable Human Being.

    The fascinating and horrible thing is that people either forget or just never knew their own history . I have a crap book somewhere called " The Greening of America", the idea that the Anti-VietNam War mob would result in a New America .

    I thought at the time (1970) that there was no automatic 'ratchet effect' , that we all can be VERY conscious of 'things'and then that awareness can just erode away with time and life-events. I see that here, a couple of months ago Sheffpixie remembered her long-ago leaflet-campaigns, but she'd got out of practice in the meanwhile . Me too, I did some wicked publishing in 2004 or 5 which the French Communist locals rather liked, but am out of practice .

    It's all about a continuous process of re-awakening oneself, Camus and The Myth of Sisyphus, the boulder WILL come rolling back down that slope , and you have to just start yet again to push it back up.

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  51. Undusted4
    HeyHabib's Schooldays

    Flashmonkey: Fag!
    Heyhabib: Yes Flashmonkey.
    F: I've written a witty poem lampooning the headmaster, the teachers, the prefects: just about everyone apart from myself, really. Go and pin it to the refectory door.
    HH: Oooh thank you, Flashmonkey! Was your toilet seat warm enough this morning?
    F: I suppose so, but Mrs Flashmonkey wants the keys back. You're beginning to scare the children. Now, run along. Oh and here's a bob. Bring me back a couple of spam crumpets.

    ...............

    Headmodster: Did you stick this up, Habib?
    HH: Yeah, what of it?
    Hm: Look son, you're a bright enough lad and you're doing well with your A-levels, why do you want to hang around with that lot? They were expelled years ago. Now why don't you start hanging around with your old friends? I know they'd all be pleased to see you at the debating society.
    HH: they're bland Sir, vanilla!
    Hm: Oh well, 'whatever'. Now off you go and stop plastering the school with those poems.
    HH: A- aren't you going to beat me, Sir?
    Hm: (Sigh). Look Habib, corporal punishment was abolished in this country in the 1970s. And as far as I am aware, Nelson Mandela street Comprehensive has never permitted the practise of fagging. Now off you go to class. And if you see Flashmonkey, tell him I'm going to call the Community Police Officer if he doesn't stop hanging around the school gates.

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  52. anon, sadly your response was so predictable but nothing to do with mountain homes of muses or anyone else - it's just an easy name to search for. And I was surprised it hadn't already been used.

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  53. luke

    I think someone's a bit jealous...don't worry...I'm always guided in these matters by the wisdom of Snoop

    "No such thing as too much money...or too many bitches"

    Now run along and pin up another Monkeyfish tribute on your site.

    comin' along nicely...don't mention it

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  54. Dear Trolls,


    Thank you, I realise your job isn't easy.

    We're a reasonable bunch around here and therefore it's quite difficult for us to find someone to dislike when everyone else is reasonable too. Human nature being what it is, we all need someone to dislike every now and then, so trolling's a bit like cleaning out the sewers: a thankless but necessary task, and no one will want to go anywhere near you most of the time.

    Of course, sometimes some of you get it a bit wrong: we want to be mildly irritated and have someone to feel justified about ganging up on, not be in fear for our own safety, but all in all, jolly good show.

    All the best,


    Dot

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  55. What ho! chaps and chapesses (even Bitey)

    Went in, prepared thanks to perusing Max Eggert book. Aced the interview. Any questions for us, "what's the timescale for letting candidates know the outcome?", "Well we have more interviews on Monday, so we'll decide after that" 10.10 leave the building.

    12 noon phone rings, "we were both very impressed at your interview, to cut to the chase, we'd like to offer you the post, we wanted to let you know before the weekend."!!!!

    o<-<|: woot!

    Many thanks for positive vibes guys. I don't think I'd have done it without you : )

    re todays thread;

    The galaxy is clearly a Frank Zappa cyclops.

    Talktalk stands up to anything released since.

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  56. Woohoo!

    Well done, turminderxuss!

    Congratulations!

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  57. Excellent Turminder, really well done!!

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  58. Turminder

    I'm made up for you mate.Well done!

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  59. Congratulations T'xuss.

    And if anyone called Mr Hand calls you for advice, treat him nicely - as it won't be me.

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  60. Awesome news turminderxuss !!!

    We must get drunk immediately.

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  61. Evening all

    Fantastic news Turminder - am delighted for you - have a great weekend!

    Had lovely evening with Princess her assorted friends and rellies and Msc last night. We've decided to have regular meet ups for eating, drinking and general mayhem as we get on so well.

    Thanks to the UT and all who sail in her for these new friendships. Except the rats in the bilges who know who they are...

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  62. @turm

    Congratulations, mate!

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  63. Excellent news, Turm, well done mate.

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  64. I hear that Lord "you've never had it so good" Young has resigned, although haven't heard an apology yet - I don't think he quite understands what he's done wrong.. Apparently the Spectator named him 'Peer of the Year' earlier this week. Who needs script writers when you've got this stuff IRL.

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  65. Well done turminder. That will brighten your weekend.

    As to the pic at the top, no wonder Pascal was prepared to make that bet.

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  66. Oh by the way Jay, I was kept from a dull work day by your waddya contributions - you do a good line in homoerotic writing. I'm sure you could earn a living from it. Perhaps you already do?

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  67. Peer of the Year ?

    More like Cunt of the Day.

    Speaking of which, this is a giggle (if you can cope with profanity)

    http://www.shrubmonkey.com/

    Laters all !

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  68. from Redminer on waddya:

    amelia gentleman on twitter:


    I'm interested in hearing people's experiences of Atos health assessments - please email me amelia.gentleman@guardian.co.uk


    Amelia Gentleman

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  69. Luke, it's taken you three days to come up with that?

    Monkeyfish, where is his website?

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  70. Thanks for that, Sheff, have sent it on to someone who was failed (about a week after massive cancer op), and won on appeal.

    Dunno if he'll be interested, but he certainly likes to have his say, so he may be. ;-)

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  71. Oh, found it - it's that twat.

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  72. ps I'm jealous about the pub quiz and future regular get-togethers. You haven't mentioned whether you won?

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  73. We didn't win Thauma - MsC and I were pretty pathetic additions to the team - but we did have a good time!

    We're going to rotate around each others gaffs for these meet ups - will let you know when the next one is - it would be great if you could come up. One of us would be able to find you a bed.

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  74. Free parking:

    RapidEddie
    19 November 2010 5:41PM

    Bitey, let me help you not to get banned.

    (a) Change/mask your IP. Move to a different province in China/Thailand/Sidcup. Pretend to be a visiting Asian Professor of Linguistics & Gender Studies who just happened upon the site while researching his Complete & Utter Misogynist Bastards study. Write in broken English and say things like "Your David Beckham is very handsome man who wear skirts."

    (b) Don't in your first post immediately quote a post from an established poster from 2 years previously. There is only one Bitey Megadatabase Of Imagined CiF Slights, Atrocities And Damning Self-Indictments.

    (c) Don't hump the leg of the first feminist ATL contributor you see. A new poster who immediately wades in with "Madame's glorious prose flows like the richest breast milk and I am pleased to suckle at its enlightening teat" might as well have "The Bitemeister Is Back" as their avatar picture.

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  75. Bitey Megadatabase Of Imagined CiF Slights, Atrocities And Damning Self-Indictments.

    Rapid Eddie's on form at the mo!

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  76. Turm! You star! {{{{{{{HUGE HUG}}}}}}

    So pleased for you I've got a tear in me eye and no exaggeration.

    That has really made my weekend!

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  77. turminder,

    good work fella, well done

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  78. Turm - Congrats!! That is great stuff.

    Sheff - You were indeed a good addition to the team! You got a fair few - unlike moi. I am still coveting MSC's wonderful scarf and my mum said she thought you were a 'very stylish lady'.

    After you left we were only another five mins but a heated debate began between mums hubby and my work colleague -R - over whether Keynsianism can ever work or whether Marxism was the way to go. Best bit was my mum telling R he was wrong about Keynes, despite him being a top economist who wrote some A-Level text books etc - must be where i get it from :)

    I had to miss work today as too tired after the shenanigans(my god two hours doing a pub quiz and done in - I used to go dancing all nite!) and been in bed most of day but am going in tomorrow instead so not letting them down. In future will plan work not on a day when been doing stuff day before as doesn't work right anyway with the pacing.

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  79. So Young has resigned, has he?

    Mr "who cares about the poor, me and my mates have done so well out of the recession innit".

    Nice.

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  80. Nice one from Tomper too! :o)

    (Bitey, your fanbase is growing. You will be up there with Ceaucescu before long...)

    "Angie124

    Do posts on the thread when it's closed get lost forever?

    No, they're saved to disk and sent to bitethehand@creepystalkerguy.com"

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  81. Turminder, that's fantastic news. Raising a glass now. Have one yourself, why don't you?

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  82. wooooooooow Turm fantastic! I'm really pleased for you bloody brill.........

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  83. Turm - wonderful - you I mean.

    heres to intergalactic Turminder Xuss. xxxx

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  84. Turminder

    haven't read the whole thread but, I see congratulations are in order...was it a boy or a girl?

    Nah seriously..nice one.

    Martyn...for one of those times when you accidentally end up looking over here...

    "I am a multi-kulti community of one, and none of the parts are original or verifiable to the Nth degree. I can identify with a number of cultural, social and anthropological stands, drink a glass of cider, and recite Marinero en Tierra, at the same time .. whilst dancing a Sevillana. So, handling a complex dialect becomes second nature. The rest of the open info, which has become rather terse, due, in no small measure, to all the complements I have received over the ... months, is on my Cif profile page. One of the great things about being an internationalist are the benefits, so as well as every that I know, and feel part of, I can also adopt anything I take a fancy to, as if it were also my own."


    ...ie. pants on fire...you fuckin bullshitting buffoon

    "One of the great things about being an internationalist"

    "internationalist"?...what's that meant to fuckin mean?..a kinda Welsh Austin Powers?...only last week you were a Celtic exceptionalist...now you're such a fuckin eclectic unbounded spirit, you've become CIF's kinda cultural everyman. Your bullshit isn't even consistent...No..I tell a lie. You are consistent in one important regard..you're always mind-numbingly boring.

    ..and, fair enough..I could stroll past. I'm willing to grant you that..as long as you'll grant me that if you fucked off altogether, I wouldn't have to bother...go on...do us all a favour.

    btw...settle a bet for me..who's the most stupid?..you, Kermit..or the guy from Scunthorpe? Ladbrokes are offering you at 5/4 ...seems nailed on...what d'you reckon?

    Habib

    "Oh, found it - it's that twat."

    What you talking about? You're featuring as a character on a satirical spin off site..like having your own Spitting Image puppet...and you know what they said about Spitting Image..."The only thing worse than being on spitting image was...".....exactly

    You've made it Habib..the big time..just don't let it go to your head

    and as it happens...it's pretty funny

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  85. Right

    The pub seems to be calling me...only got £7.52..probably back in an hour or two (duh whatevs..no name no packdrill...Frank Carson..News at Ten...two boiled eggs)

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  86. Hello

    For anyone who is interested, selfmademan has now been banned. This is because they discovered that I have another ID on CiF which of course violates the terms and conditions. At the moment it seems that they will allow me to continue to post under that other ID, but SMM is no more (the profile is already deleted on CiF)

    They also said that my comments to Brusselsexpats on waddya the other day "edged towards harassment". I must say that this seems completely over the top to me but there it is. I can't help thinking that she has some special protextion because, really, were those comments really so much worse than the everyday interchange on CiF?

    So this is selfmademan, some-time import-exporter, bad back sufferer, long-suffering husband and father, and lecherous dodgy old reactionary goat from Weston-super-Mare signing out ... forever.

    Thanks to those of you who have played along with his ineffable silliness.

    Yours truly

    SelfmadeMan (Esq.)

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  87. Selfmade, that is fucking outrageous. :-(

    Have a drink on me. Unless it aggravates your gout.

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  88. Awwwwwww! :'(

    RIP Mr Selfmade

    *sniffs into lace hanky while sneaking a glance into the mirror to make sure her mascara isn't running too badly*

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  89. Cheers everybody! Am raising a glass or two, GF eta 19.30, (so afk for a bit) heating on for the weekend, now that there's some hope of paying the bill, even with Scottish Power's threatened 9% increase, just in time for winter, bastards. L8rs pals p x : D

    p.s.
    Selfmademan, sorely missed : (

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  90. Selfmade, Jesuse, they really are a bunch of humourless uncle fuckers, aren't they?

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  91. Oh Selfmade - thats totally the pits...you raised my spirits on many occasions. Can't believe you're gone forever. How very dull and humourless of the groan.

    Am now toasting your ineffable memory.

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  92. Well, I suppose I should be thankful that I've still got my 'serious' CiF ID.

    By the way, Selfmade's last act was of course to have a word with his contacts in the business world to get Turminder a leg up.

    "Uncle fuckers". I like that. And I'm going to start using it. A lot.

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  93. Not mine, Selfmade. In fact I was reminded of it here, I think.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWPYqnSNj74

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  94. "You've made it Habib..the big time..just don't let it go to your head

    and as it happens...it's pretty funny"

    Ok.

    When I realised who Luke was, I wanted to praise him for taking only three days to come up with what he did. If you think it's funny, I'll hold my hands up and say it might be. (Is there a way of doing a blushing, cheeky, smiley, winkey face?) Maybe you can all imagine I have one?

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  95. Unmade

    I can't help thinking that she has some special protextion because, really, were those comments really so much worse than the everyday interchange on CiF?

    Yes exactly, she gets the same protection as MrsBootstraps. It's called the 'Kipper Award' and it's awarded mainly to people writing ATL who really believed their pearls of wisdom would receive unlimited adulation and uncritical acclaim.

    Anyway sorry to see you go and glad I managed to read all your contributions before they were consigned to the trash can of history. And sadly the IT people at The Guardian seem to have modified the search engine so it no longer appears possible to search for deleted posts.

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  96. Hey, Habib - nah, fuck it; can't be arsed.

    Turminder - mine's two sugars.

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  97. "mine's two sugars."

    I bet you say that to all the boys.

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  98. LOL'd at my own post - not often I do that.

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  99. I've got to take a pee break, P brake, laters :-)

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  100. @Bitethehand

    Whilst it was kind of you to make your comment to me, I think I should point out that I have no interest whatsoever in your peculiar, and slightly creepy, vendetta against BeautifulBurnout, and for what it may be worth I think that she is one of the consistently most interesting and laudable commentators on CiF, and there is nothing in what she posts there that would require any kind of 'special protection'.

    My impression, purely as an onlooker who has never had any involvement with you and wants none is that you are slightly unhinged.

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  101. Re-read Luke, without ego getting in the way. That was funny.

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  102. Mr Unmade

    I am mortified at your CiF demise, nearly as much as wot hermione is ;)

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  103. Evening P.Brax. I've got a cheeky little cotes de rhone that I bottled myself. Still working my way through 25 litres of the stuff! :o) Not bad at 1,60 euros a litre though...

    Mr Selfmade

    *curtsies*

    habib - pee break = TMI but also FAF :o)

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  104. Dear Unmade,

    Could Selfmade not live on, on here?

    Perhaps with a weekly review of hapenings on Cif, from his POV?

    Yours,

    Dot

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  105. BB "habib - pee break = TMI but also FAF :o)"

    I have no idea what that means, but even if it was insulting, good health to you, I've always admired you.

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  106. thaumaturge

    Is parking attendant, parking other people's posts about the best you can aspire to?

    Why not have a day off and try to think up something original that's more than twenty words long?

    And when you wrote:

    Characters such as his - and yes, also those that have been much more outspoken

    I hope you weren't referring to me there?

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  107. BB - bottled 50 litres of drinkable crap just last month.

    Unmade - easy on the bumptious-cum-unctuous tiller; it's starting to grate.

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  108. "Why not have a day off and try to think up something original that's more than twenty words long?"

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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  109. Dot

    'Could selfmade not live on, on here.'

    I wish, cos he is great fun to write. But the point of SMM is that he is meant to wind up right-wingers and pompous folk on CiF and since, happily, such rightwingers and pompous folk are rare on UT (I know that Bracken looks in from time to time, but not very often and, anyway, he's too boring to be worth taking the piss out of) then all that would be left would be SMM the would be flirtatious lech. And I think that that would quickly pall, don't you?

    The weekly review idea might work, tho.

    Yrs

    SMM or UM or whoever the hell I am.

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  110. @Bracken

    "Unmade - easy on the bumptious-cum-unctuous tiller; it's starting to grate."

    Your views (on this and any other subject) are of no value in general, and certainly of no interest to me.

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  111. Dear Selfmade,

    There are also Bitey and the quackmeister, but you're right: we don't have the quality nutters over here.

    A review would be good though!

    Dot

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  112. SMM or UM-Whichever you wish sir. Once a week sounds good, if you can fit it in between dalliances and correspondents.

    Some lovely irony from you there Bitey.

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  113. "Your views (on this and any other subject) are of no value in general, and certainly of no interest to me."

    Don't look a gift horse an' all that, unmade; gilt-edged advice rarely comes so free.

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  114. BB

    Sorry for the expletive, my learned friend. It was so quiet on here that I thought I'd be a little provocative.

    And before I could stop myself, out popped the Q word. I'm still recovering from the experience.

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  115. Anything that grates on bracken has my vote.

    Hope I'm not coming down with anything unpleasant. Gave up smoking again this morning and I don't remember nicotine withdrawal leaving me knackered and light-headed like this the last time.

    Ah well, just a few days of unpleasantness and I'll be fine. And this time, I'll try and avoid starting again after five years. :-(

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  116. Spike, just remember that you are an addict forever.

    I thought a few joints at Christmas after giving up for ten years would be safe enough.

    Wrong.

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  117. @Spencer

    First time, a year and a half. Second time, five years. This time, perhaps I'll make it to ten years or fifteen, who knows?

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  118. habib

    TMI = too much information

    FAF = funny as f00k

    And I have always liked and admired you too, my dear - I am mortified at the idea that you thought I might be being horrible to you! xx

    Spike

    Niquitin lozenges for the win! You know it makes sense! :o)

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  119. Well played, Fiji!

    And condolences, Selfmade. What an incredibly stupid decision by the Graun.

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  120. MsChin

    It's Friday night. You've had a busy week. Everyone is entitled to go a bit quackers on a Friday. :o) x

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  121. Is there anyone else out there who, like me, loves Annie Lennox to bits but thinks she has really made a mistake releasing an album of cheesy christmas carols?

    Bless her. She's gone down the Sting road hasn't she...

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  122. My dear Boudican

    I think I could manage it once a week. True, Mrs Selfmade makes demands upon me of a similar frequency (she insists that I read extracts from the selected writings of Baudrillard every Wednesday night, when she has finished the hoovering) but one is nothing if not game. To be honest, Mrs Selfmade's swarfega-handed attentions (this since she commenced car maintenance classes) are beginning to cause remarks of a ribald nature at the golf club, but if I could tell the Captain that I have a regular newspaper column I am sure that that would do much to restore my falling credit in Weston's smarter circles.

    I therefore accept with pleasure the official invitation to become a regular correspondent for The Untrusted (perhaps my column could be entitled 'The Voice you can Trust'? It has a ring to it!) I will keep my ear to the ground in assiduous fashion and report back to you next week.

    As I have always said, an enterprising fellow will always find gainful employment and on that point there is the small matter of my fee. As a selfmademan I take a commercial view of these things and it is better to be upfront from the go get. My price for the weekly column would be a modest £2000. Lest this seem excessive I should remind you that I have my expenses to consider. And of course you will enjoy it that much more if you have stumped up some moolah.

    I look forward to receiving a contract for this engagement and payment for the first column in advance. Cheques may be made payable to Selfmade Holdings (Guernsey) since, like your man Bracken I have never seen the point in complying with pettyfogging financial regulations (what, after all, is a little insider dealing between freinds? True, the FSA took a less lenient view but that only goes to show how unworldly these public sector parasites can be).

    Yours sincerely

    Selfmademan
    'The Voice you can Trust'
    Chief Executive and Chairman
    Selfmade Holdings, Guernsey (Media Division)

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  123. Habib

    "If you think it's funny, I'll hold my hands up and say it might be. (Is there a way of doing a blushing, cheeky, smiley, winkey face?)"

    Not the comment..the site...the comment was a bit near the knuckle as it goes..Luke's working on a new darker edgier style..which is comin along nicely but he lacks discrimination in his choice of target

    my advice to him...especially as he sorta secretly likes this place is to find somewhere he doesn't and then really lay it on...finding the odd piece of putative hypocrisy and treating it as a fuckin heinous abomination doesn't provide enough scope for loosing both sardonic barrels.

    Unmade

    You might want to ignore this...you'll see why..but..erm...Is there some mystery as to who your alter-ego might be?...I thought everyone knew...and I thought that I knew...didn't I know?...is everyone being discreet or am I just imagining the whole thing? Is it a secret..I thought you told everyone once.

    I fully realise the above is open to outrageous parody...but you know what I mean...loose lips..ships..wink

    Peter Bracken

    Noticed your fantasy 'Come Dine with Me' list..most upset that I didn't make the list as I'm sure are BW..Sheff..thaum MsC Chekov etc. having dined with you before in a manner of speaking.

    That's it..you're off my list...as you know I'm not a big fan of your politics but I'd have had you around for your entertainment value, your front and out of a pure sense of scientific enquiry...namely..to see how you fared in the boozers around here...genuinely not sure if you would have gone down a storm or a like lead turd in a bowl of custard...anyhow...Mrs Fish is back...and she's just lent me a tenner...few more pints and some dolorous karaoke-blues await

    "Mah woman done left me...crop in the field..."

    ....this is a little guy who's worked in the Co-op all his life..went to Benidorm once..."fuck that tourism shite...never again"...hates every fucker..not exactly racist..just that skin colour gives him yet another hook to hang his hang-ups on...as though being fat, thin, Irish, Welsh, French, Scots, wearing glasses, being related to someone else he doesn't like, knowing someone else he doesn't like, living near someone else he doesn't like, looking vaguely similar to someone else he doesn't like etc..weren't enough... and yet he thinks he's gonna carry off a convincing Delta tragedy...and...fuck me..he does it every time..close your eyes and you're in Alabama...only don't close 'em too long or your pint's gone.

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  124. Congratulations Turminder!
    (bit late on, sorry)
    And commiserations to Mr Selfmade. For the sake of British literature, apart from anything else (like cheering me up a lot.)

    (which I could do with right now, so thank you)

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  125. Is there anyone else out there who, like me, loves Annie Lennox to bits but thinks she has really made a mistake releasing an album of cheesy christmas carols?

    Me.

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  126. Unmade of MrsBootstraps:

    I think that she is one of the consistently most interesting and laudable commentators on CiF.

    Well I'm not sure I'd go that far although I'm on record giving praise where it's deserved. Her real problem is that she expects adoration - hence the name.

    But her real crime is that she is a self-confessed censor which on a site called for very good reasons "Comment is Free" is somewhat of an anomaly to say the least. Indeed most people with any self-respect would be ashamed of such behaviour and do the honourable thing.

    Where is Peter Bracken's whisky and revolver?

    You continue:

    My impression, purely as an onlooker who has never had any involvement with you and wants none is that you are slightly unhinged.

    And my impression purely as an onlooker is that in, what is it, two years, you've never posted anything that's worth me spending my time on. I was very surprised at that. Given the amount of time the people here have spent on me, how come I didn't get a mention in your dispatches? Says a great deal about my posts I think and indeed your passion, along with those who you excoriate, for the inconsequential.

    Having said that I've no idea who your other identity is, and I just hope it's not your newsagent. That would be a disappointment.

    As for me being 'unhinged', all I can say is that until you've posted your qualifications for such a diagnosis, I'll assume they're as bogus as your wife's vehicle maintenance certificates.

    Why is it that so many of The Untrusted, of which you are an honorary member for your attacks on the entertaining but harmless who inhabit CiF, feel that they can diagnose and pontificate on people's states of mind? Two of you today.

    So how does it feel to be in the same stable as Tony Shallcross, so devastatingly dismissed by kizbot this afternoon?

    Curious don't you think?

    Maybe you could ask your Rotary Club members to suggest an answer.

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  127. Never been a huge Annie Lennox fan. But she does live in Highgate so I am jealous of her.

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  128. Dear Major Bracken

    I am in receipt of your letter, in which you stated: "Don't look a gift horse an' all that, unmade; gilt-edged advice rarely comes so free."

    Let me make it absolutely clear that I will not accept financial inducements in return for a favourable mention in my newspaper column 'The Voice you can Trust'. To do so would be to undermine the entire basis of my engagement.

    I appreciate that your own career in the financial world has been marked by a somewhat lax approach to ethics and I have no wish to dwell on that unhappy episode. Nevertheless, I must reiterate that you can expect no favours from me.

    To be frank, I thought that your type did the decent thing when exposed and shot themselves.

    Yours disgustedly

    Lord Selfmademan of Weston-super-Mare
    SMM s.a. (Switzerland)

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  129. I was just going to post that MiE was behaving like an odious little Bufo bufo on WDYWTTA and up pops another candidate......

    (Look out, Dot's on the cider!)

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  130. @monkeyfish - apparently not :-)

    @bitethehand - perhaps you are confusing SMM's profile with reality. As for him not having posted anything worth spending your time on, well, you are entirely right - he hasn't. But, then, you were the one who wrote to him saying that you were sorry to see him go from cif. Anyway, to re-iterate, I have no interest at all in these peculiar and pointles battels you seem obsessed with.

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  131. Just watched great Spanish Film - La Noche de los Girasoles (the Night of the Sunflowers). Big recommend if you like intense thrillers set in small Spanish villages.

    Brackers, old bean - whilst slightly less than mortified at being left off your dinner party list, I do think our fairly recent get together should count for something. So have to concur with Mr Fish - although I think I can manage my disappointment without an evenings karaoke, even if it is Delta Blues.

    Mr Selfmade

    V. glad you've had a re-think and will resurrect yourself. Weekly bulletins would be most welcome.

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  132. BB. "I am mortified at the idea that you thought I might be being horrible to you!"

    Thanks for explaining what you meant, BB, I would like you to know that you can be horrible to me any time I'm being a git. You have full licence.

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  133. Monkeyfish, gotta tell ya, this is a bit special:

    "finding the odd piece of putative hypocrisy and treating it as a fuckin heinous abomination doesn't provide enough scope for loosing both sardonic barrels."

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  134. habib

    Very good, isn't it!

    Next UT strapline?

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  135. BB--Also like Annie Lennox but can do without the Christmassy stuff.

    SelfMadeMan--Quite a coincidence you should mention Peter Bracken when I was just thinking he may have an extra 15,000 Pounds to apply to your weekly fees. This may require some delicate negotiation.

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  136. This makes me bloody angry. Partly because we know this only too well at work - referrals not followed up, cases closed prematurely and inappropriately, no answer to the emergency phone line after 10am on Fridays, denials of any knowledge of meetings held the previous week - but also because it implies that Ofsted can get things right sometime.

    And don't get me started on CAMHS.

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  137. habib & everyone else

    How's about we all include the MF quote somewhere in our CiF posts for the rest of the evening? Feeling a tad anarchic tonight (must be post-quiz night comedown).

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  138. Errm MsChin, forget something ;-)



    "finding the odd piece of putative hypocrisy and treating it as a fuckin heinous abomination doesn't provide enough scope for loosing both sardonic barrels."

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  139. So where is Shallcross tonight after his devastating psychoanalytic analysis of my state of mind this afternoon?

    Still sobbing about pretending to have been raped as a drunk 17 year old by "a naked very unattractive woman rather older than me (perhaps 30)."

    Would it have been different if she'd been a beautiful burning with passion thirty year old?

    Is that what drove him to flee that bastion of female rapists, otherwise known as Great Britain, for the sexually restricted France where, strangely, he was free even as a 55 year old man to leer at school girls?

    Here he is earlier in 2010 (really) on a thread about a woman whose 55 year old husband leers at teenage school girls but won't have sex with her:

    So when this 55-year-old looks at teenage girls, there is one problem and one possible problem:
    - his partner is unhappy about it,
    - he could be making teenage girls feel intimidated and uncomfortable.


    That's two problems Tony but that's how you usually distort.

    He continues:

    Answer to the first problem: if she's unhappy with the relationship and feels it can't be improved, then she should end it - unless of course she feels that course of action would be even worse (which seems to be the case for the moment). So no firm answer: it's up to her and to him to decide what they want to do with their lives.

    So even if the schoolgirls are in danger from this man, it's up to him and his wife to decide whether she should warn the authorities about him.

    Answer to the second, potential problem: impossible to say, since we have no information about whether he's actually doing any harm to the girls he looks at.

    Looking at and even fantasising about anyone is not wrong or a problem in itself, unless you are doing it in such a way that the person feels harassed. While we may not share this man's interest in teenage girls, he's quite entitled to it as long as he doesn't harm them. You may find it distasteful, but that's your problem, not his.

    A little live and let live, please, people.


    ...we have no information about whether he's actually doing any harm to the girls he looks at.

    We have vast tomes of evidence that young girls don't want men old enough to be their grandfathers, who think they're god's gift to absolute sexual attraction, to be leering at them.

    But men like Tony Shallcross seem to think it's ok.

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  140. Oh do fuck off bitey

    "finding the odd piece of putative hypocrisy and treating it as a fuckin heinous abomination doesn't provide enough scope for loosing both sardonic barrels."

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  141. ... Whilst another man defends a sexual relationship between a schoolgirl and her female teacher.

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  142. Forgot again (I must have had hermione's tablets).

    And "finding the odd piece of putative hypocrisy and treating it as a fuckin heinous abomination doesn't provide enough scope for loosing both sardonic barrels."

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  143. evening

    Dott Bufo bufo is a delight.

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  144. BTH, you do know the test for whether you're sexist is reversing the gender roles in your descriptions?

    "Still sobbing about pretending to have been raped as a drunk 17 year old by "a naked very unattractive woman rather older than me (perhaps 30)."

    Would it have been different if she'd been a beautiful burning with passion thirty year old?"

    vs

    Still sobbing about pretending to have been raped as a drunk 17 year old by "a naked very unattractive man rather older than me (perhaps 30)."

    Would it have been different if he'd been a handsome burning with passion thirty year old?"

    Umm....

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  145. Vicious perverted little guttersnipe.

    Still, keep on posting, Bitey. It's all grist to the mill.

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  146. @dott

    Forget it, it bears no relation whatsoever to anything I actually wrote.

    Bitey's as much a failure as a stalker as I imagine he is in the rest of his life. He can't even come up with a convincing hatchet job.

    What "was" I doing at 55, bitey? I'll be interested to know about my moderately distant future. A fortune-teller are you now, bitey? Or just an illiterate joke?

    Then one problem and one possible problem does make two, bitey. One and one makes two. Didn't you get that far at school? Were you too busy learning about "Ceaucescu, the dictator of Bulgaria" (sic).

    Spite isn't enough, bitey. You need a little knowledge, intelligence and eloquence to back up your vicious little shit act. Otherwise it's pointless, like you.

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  147. dot - was just thinking that, but as BTH thinks this site is "the rapist's friend" anyway, figured best leave him to his issues...

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  148. ah, didn't even realise he was having a go at anyone here (although should possibly have guessed that)...

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  149. Philippa

    Well, it was an odds-on racing certainty, really. Has nothing better to do of an evening, I suspect.

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  150. Unmade

    I have no interest at all in these peculiar and pointles battels you seem obsessed with.

    Oh how I would love to say that obsession is my middle name. But other than being obsessed with anything other than the injustice of States whose servants defy the very essence of democracy, frankly I take life as it comes - and it comes pretty good, and increasingly so.

    But I'm really disappointed that you can't bring yourself to compose something that might just send me quivering towards sleepless nights, or if not that, at least acknowledge that you can come up with something off the cuff.

    And do you think, as a bit of an expert in these matters that JayReilly's exchange with JimPress this morning was choreographed last night? Or was it really off the cuff?

    I've crossed horns with Jay for years, and indeed AllyF, which should, with you as witness, put to bed the pathetic repetition that MrsBootstraps and Montana are the objects of my stalking. They have a far better case but aren't making it.

    And on this point I notice that Shallcross is accusing me of stalking him and I can only suppose it's a bit like the gamekeeper stalking the rampant stag whose past his prime. He really should concentrate on giving out his leaflets to the French populace, rather than pretending he's the ex-pat saviour of us wayward Brits.

    They're both (Jay and JP) talented poster, indeed to some extent I see Jay as one of my early pupils, especially about paying respect to women, rather than dismissing them out of hand, a lesson that sadly Shallcross has yet to learn, and despite Montana's recent run in with him, JimPress has excellent credentials, which in all honesty I aspired to until, quite by coincidence this morning when he cast doubt on the credibility of the two women who have accused Julian Assange of rape, with Jim having no more evidence for his position than I have in suggesting that they probably have a case, given the unprotected sex situation.

    And Leonard Cohen is on BBC4 with some amazing musicians backing his monotonalism, and it's really quite good.

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  151. "especially about paying respect to women"

    your sense of perspective gave up sobbing some time back, didn't it?

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  152. Yep Philippa, my Burrow Hill nearly came out through my nose at that point!

    (The cider also explains why I'm bothering with Bitey!)

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  153. "I see Jay as one of my early pupils"

    Made I larf.

    Bu seriously, the accolade for 'the schooling of young JR' indubitably goes to the UTs most patient tutor, Annetan42.

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  154. Right, I'm off to bed to watch telly and not smoke. And not drink either, although that's less of a sacrifice.

    Fuck, this is a fun Friday night!

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  155. Shallcross

    Before I answer you splutterings, a reminder that there's reading lessons at my place tomorrow morning.

    We'll concentrate on whether when someone refers to a 55 year old he's talking about you or about someone you commented on earlier this year.

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  156. Dot

    It's not the cider, honest, it's all the pontificating from certain quarters round here. It's contagious. Look, I can't stop doing it myself.

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  157. Shallcross / spike

    Right, I'm off to bed to watch telly and not smoke. And not drink either, although that's less of a sacrifice.

    Fuck, this is a fun Friday night!


    Good to here you won't be out ogling young school girls. French youth will be safe.

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  158. Philippa - I meant to say the other day... are we going to get to see oisette's band's video some time? When will it be sortie?

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  160. like the gamekeeper stalking the rampant stag whose past his prime.

    Sweet.

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  161. "French youth will be safe. "

    Ooh la la !!

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  162. Oooh ooh Bitey, after you've given Spike his reading lessons can you give me spelling lessons?

    I always thought here was a place and hear was something you did with your ears, obviously I was wrong!

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  163. Actually, I'm beginning to subscribe to this theory of bitey perhaps being more than one person. Today, his command of English seems to be "good acquired" rather than "native" and he doesn't seem to understand when the mistakes he's making are pointed out.

    On the other hand, who fucking cares? G'night all!

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  164. BW

    Surely you mean - Pedalo !

    NN from me.

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  165. NN MsChin and Spike

    Is this you waking up for the night then, BW?

    Give us some choonage!

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  166. Habib

    In retrospect and having read back...you're right..the responses take too long...sure sign of a 'polisher'...life moves on...the juggernaut fucks off to Swindon; and breathing life into a stone fuckin dead tire-tracked hedgehog that's been enjoying the gift of decomposition for 3 days is a thankless task...as I know from experience...or, rather, deduction..or induction..or whichever one says only baby Jesus can do shit like that.

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  167. Sweet BW!

    Right - I gotta get to bed too - waaaay too tired.

    NN all xx

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  168. MsChin

    Bu seriously, the accolade for 'the schooling of young JR' indubitably goes to the UTs most patient tutor, Annetan42.

    You're quite right and I didn't have the patience of Anne Tan or the acceptance from Jay, but...

    Here it is verbatim MsChin and I hope you read it carefully before you make another misguided accusations in my direction.

    I can't be bothered at this time of night to mark the quotes properly so you'll need to read it more carefully than if I had. Sorry about that but - well you'll understand I sure.


    Comment on: Sexist feminism
    Bitethehand 06 Feb 09, 11:59am

    Hi sarka, yes I know it wasn't your view but you paraphrasing some of JayReilly's post at 8.17pm, and hence my questions:

    "Is that true? Does anyone really believes that? And who are those political elites, to use your words, more out of space aliens?"

    But sorry for the confusion, I should have made it more clear.

    Comment on: Sexist feminism
    Bitethehand 06 Feb 09, 12:46pm

    JayReilly, you protest that you've been misinterpreted, but you did write:

    "In a society of true subjection of one group to another, the oppressed would surely do all the work (as in parts of Africa today where women do the work), and they would also be the first sent out onto the battlefield."

    Now unless you have an alternative explanation, I interpret this as saying that because the oppressed are not always and exclusively oppressed, then there is no oppression.

    Indeed your new wording -

    "i think it is a mistake to see society as a male construction, tailored to their whims and built for the express purpose of maintaing their luxury at womens expense."

    - says exactly the same thing. It's a case of all or none, but whenever was society like that?

    You go on to say -

    "To say men 'subjected' women, you need to do more than show that men had more power, and that women suffered more disadvantages."

    So what about this one example?

    'Before married women's property acts were passed, upon marriage a woman lost any right to control property that was hers prior to the marriage, nor did she have rights to acquire any property during marriage. A married woman could not make contracts, keep or control her own wages or any rents, transfer property, sell property or bring any lawsuit.'

    Married Women's Property Act: 1848, New York State

    and

    'The Married Women's Property Act 1882 and subsequent legislation in Britain ensured that married women had the same rights to buy, sell, and own property as unmarried women did.'

    Until these changes in the law the requirement of inheritance through the male line also meant that women were totally reliant on men either for employment or support if they were single or on relatives if they were married and their husband died before them.

    This is institutional oppression against women and in favour of men, enforced by the State and the law, unless you can suggest another explanation.

    You ask - "Why, in your view, didn't the nasty men send out their oppressed slaves to the battlefields to die for them?"

    Well I thought that was exactly how feudal armies were organised and operated, and it was landless peasant who for centuries in England lived in conditions approaching slavery who died in the greatest numbers.

    So any reflections MsChin?

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  169. Bite the Hand...Screw The Nut..whatever your fuckin name is

    "Good to here you won't be out ogling young school girls. French youth will be safe."

    masterful...or personful..duh whatevs...casual drive-by insinuations of paedophilia are the mark of a real class act

    what a cunt you are

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  171. Ok listen up guys:(that's code for some serious shit coming your way)

    In the short time I have been in St Albans with access to my twin sister's computer it has become clear that her part in the financial meltdown was the most crucial part of the process.

    She has obviously realised that I'm dobbing her in since she just surrepticiously retrieved her fake Russian passports from the drawer next to where I am typing these words and is now frantically packing a suit case and rousing the kids to get ready for an unexpected journey.

    However, it did not come by this information by hacking into her computer. As usual in counter espionage the revelation of subterfuge is much more prosaic.

    Bearing in mind my sister is a director of an international management consultancy I'll put the rest of the evidence in dialogue for the sake of clarity:

    Me: "How was your week?"
    Her: "Really good"
    Me: "who were you working with?"
    Her: "oh, all sorts of people, we had some people from Astra Zenica and RBS and a girl from the Deutschebank"
    Me: "a girl from the Deutschebank; really? What does she do?"
    Her: "She's in "compliance."

    BULLSHIT ALERT BULLSHIT ALERT BULLSHIT ALERT!

    Me:"err what you mean compliant in the banking scam?"

    Her: "err... no.. that's not what I meant at all... err hello kids have you packed your teddys yet... it's time to go!

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  172. Am I drunk or is Bitey making less sense than usual?

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