14 November 2010

14/11/10

Girl with Cherries - Giovanni Ambrogio de Predis

All Faith is false, all Faith is true:
Truth is the shattered mirror strown
In myriad bits; while each believes
His little bit the whole to own. 
-Sir Richard Francis Burton 

250 comments:

  1. What the fuckity fuckity fuck ?

    Her's ol' Bitey havin a go - from last night in case you missed it

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    Bitethehand said...

    MrsBootstraps:

    Where in the world would a mother claim that her son has some kind of genetic disorder so she can curry favour on an online newspaper site?

    Didn't you say of your boy that he's an "aspie"?

    Terrible term to refer to a teenager old don't you think?

    Isn't it a bit like calling him a poofter or a thicko?

    Terrible what some parents say about their children don't you think?

    Did he approve of your term of phrase or is his condition such that he finds it impossible to understand your barrister terminology?

    I doubt it, after all, as you tell us, he's not Rain Man.

    Or was that something that you needed to say to keep your fan base close to your heart?

    You are so precious MrsBootstraps; where would the legal profession be without you?

    So when did you start to publicise your son's disability, if that's what he has, rather than you trying to use it as a means of promoting his publicity seeking mum?

    I think Sarah Palin could take some lessons from you MrsBootstraps.

    Notice that so far there's no obscenities from me. Unlike you who resorts to them at the drop of the proverbial?

    Did you tell us about your knowledge of obsceneties when your son ran away from home, to be caught by the British Transport police at Victoria Station, or was it Waterloo?

    Did you tell us then he was an "aspie", or did it slip your oh so perfect mind?

    I don't think so.

    Did you tell the BTP he was an "aspie"?

    Doubtless you'll have the record of what you told them - being a competent lawyer?

    I hope so for his sake.

    And what were you doing bringing someone into your home who might be so badly influenced by your son's known erratic behaviour, assuming you're telling the truth about his 'medical condition' when as you tell us he didn't run away from home?

    So many questions for the lawyer.

    (To be continued......as they say....

    and ps, don't take this too seriously - it's not like threatening to blow up an airport.
    14 November, 2010 02:54

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  2. More from ol' BiteTheHand

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    Bitethehand said...

    Sorry about you getting in the way of my split posts Leni, but I do hope you saw my post to you a few days back about overseas students in UK universities.

    And anyone else who's posting on this censor free site of course.

    So to continue MrsBootstraps:


    Is that then the action of a responsible parent?

    You know telling the whole wide world about your son being an aspie and his mum being an alkie.

    Did I get that the right way round?

    Or maybe your boy's a quite normal child and it's his parents who we and the social workers need to be concerned about?

    Maybe you're the ones who should be seeking help, rather than getting your 'friends' to suggest it's me who might be deserving of that?

    How easy it is for you to see concern for others as an alibi for your own failures.

    How easy for your friends to make suggestions about how I'm the one who needs help while all along, you're the one who's so terribly in need of such attention?

    Think about it MrsB, what mother uses her aspergic son to boost her own popularity on the internet?

    But unlike you and the accusations you and your friends make about me, and have made about me in the past, you know the 'jokes' about 'paedophilia' and 'kiddy fiddling' and 'teenage brides', I have absolutely no one to hurt. And despite your friends' accusations, I don't take teenagers into my home to allow them to run off at the dead of night with my aspergic son.

    You know I have no paedophilic desirous husband at home for whom I'm providing an alibi. And please, please don't take this as any kind of suggestion that your husband isn't anything other than a good upstanding Buddhist as far as young men are concerned) I don't have any cohort of friends who might stand up in court to defend my worthless reputation, if through their drunken haze they could remember what happened yesterday or the day after.

    But you know how you've neglected to use your professional authority to defend me against such heinous accusations? Indeed you've encouraged them.

    And doubtless you'll remember those unfortunate occasion when you denied that your obsession with CiF resulted in you not knowing where your son and his friend was, despite you being responsible for both of them?

    Remember how you resented being interrupted in your postings to have to go and collect him, the ungrateful child?

    We have no proof about whether he suffers from the mythical mild aspergers you tell us about on CiF and The Untrusted.

    (to be continued ...... )
    14 November, 2010 03:34

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  3. BTH Part Three

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    Bitethehand said...

    About you MrsBootstraps and your sycophantic followers..... and your very mildly Aspergic son

    All we have is what you've posted before about him, his social skills and his friends coming to visit to appreciate him; how his person to person skills are the talk of the locality, and where you his mother is the pride of the neighbourhood, or at least the virtual one you don't inhabit sixteen hours a day.

    Isn't that right?

    It must be - after all you're so popular on CiF.

    And your son's musicianship, about which rightly you're so proud; how despite his disability he's been able to travel half way across England to perform alone, and been so confident about his ability that you can only dream about creeping into the back of the venue in case he, performing on stage, sees you and there and then despairs in public about the pathetic mother that's borne him and followed him all his life because she assumes he can't hack it as well as she can?

    Or at least she hopes that's the case.

    Precious?

    Yes?

    But experts suggest he doesn't sound like an aspies child don't you think?

    You make him sound very very normal - in fact a bit like you and me.

    Not that I'm an expert on Asperger's Syndrome but you might be; in which case you'll put me and your followers right?

    Or maybe we can get Pen on this case; he seems such an intellectual chappie, unlike me who's just a old time Guardian simpleton.

    And when the evidence is up there for all to see... well let's see it first before I talk about apologies.

    But to me it does sound like a self possessed mother using her family to dismiss everyone and anyone who gets in her way.

    Yes?

    It's not that uncommon - just look at Mrs
    Palin?

    So how about the rest of the world's mild aspies?

    Couldn't they also get on by pulling up their bootstraps, just as you have done so successfully MrsB, and in time become another top UK barrister?

    Couldn't your son also achieve what his mother's achieved?

    A famous lawyer who's saved so many asylum seekers from an early deportation, about which from a personal point of view I'm so appreciative.

    To me that's a terrific achievement.
    14 November, 2010 05:20

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  4. Rocking good times from Bitey - her's Volume Four. This is better than Led Zepellin !

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    Bitethehand said...

    So what about you and your Buddhist husband? Where does he stand on your using him and his child as a witness to your self aggrandisement?

    Is there nothing and no tactic to which you won't stoop?

    About which, being a total and absolute supporter of women's rights, as you know, I'll support you all the way, although I'm a bit disappointed about your recent support for rapist anonymity. I think you should reconsider. Not that I don't understand your point - I really do and at one time (check my record - ah a problem about having so many posting names....) suggested you might just have a point, and indeed still do, albeit a weak one.

    But I digress, which I shouldn't...

    Could it be that only in the UK where we really do proclaim free speech, that you could be supported by the pathetic, albeit well meaning Deano and LaRit defending the kind of difficulties you've suggested your child's been through, in order to boost your own reputation as the human rights spirit of CiF?

    And yes of course it's on CiF, where you're so protected with that big C that means you can demand anyone who opposes your views should be banned, as I know only too well.

    But not here where we so value free speech and oppose censorship and have to look reality in the face, without the easy escape route of profanity.

    Yes?

    I didn't post as bitethehand for four years to have a self important neglective mother who's been done over like a kipper, to think she can sacrifice her own child and denigrate her own profession, in order to deny freedom of speech to someone as inconsequential as me.

    Not that it matters - even with the latest censorship functions at Cif - posting there is so, so easy........

    Think on it MrsB and your male acolytes.
    14 November, 2010 05:25

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  5. In fairness, here's my addition to the, ahem, "debate"

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    Bitey - wow ! - your 05:20 is really pretty good.

    I often "hear" what I am reading in "character", and you are, well, it has to be said, without any shadow of a doubt, that miscreant and disturbed little baby with a footbal shaped head, Stewie from "Family Guy". Amazing fun.

    Read it back people. Do it - with Stewie's voice. Tell me I ain't wrong ?

    Bitey, you nasty little cunt ! Very funny. Very personal. Jesus your cage has been rattled hasn't it ?

    Cheers Bitch !

    ;-)

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  6. To his lost lover by Simon Armitage


    Now they are no longer
    any trouble to each other

    he can turn things over, get down to that list
    of things that never happened, all of the lost

    unfinishable business.
    For instance… for instance,

    how he never clipped and kept her hair, or drew a hairbrush
    through that style of hers, and never knew how not to blush

    at the fall of her name in close company.
    How they never slept like buried cutlery –

    two spoons or forks cupped perfectly together,
    or made the most of some heavy weather –

    walked out into hard rain under sheet lightning,
    or did the gears while the other was driving.

    How he never raised his fingertips
    to stop the segments of her lips

    from breaking the news,
    or tasted the fruit

    or picked for himself the pear of her heart,
    or lifted her hand to where his own heart

    was a small, dark, terrified bird
    in her grip. Where it hurt.

    Or said the right thing,
    or put it in writing.

    And never fled the black mile back to his house
    before midnight, or coaxed another button of her blouse,

    then another,
    or knew her

    favourite colour,
    her taste, her flavour,

    and never ran a bath or held a towel for her,
    or soft-soaped her, or whipped her hair

    into an ice-cream cornet or a beehive
    of lather, or acted out of turn, or misbehaved

    when he might have, or worked a comb
    where no comb had been, or walked back home

    through a black mile hugging a punctured heart,
    where it hurt, where it hurt, or helped her hand

    to his butterfly heart
    in its two blue halves.

    And never almost cried,
    and never once described

    an attack of the heart,
    or under a silk shirt

    nursed in his hand her breast,
    her left, like a tear of flesh

    wept by the heart,
    where it hurts,

    or brushed with his thumb the nut of her nipple,
    or drank intoxicating liquors from her navel.

    Or christened the Pole Star in her name,
    or shielded the mask of her face like a flame,

    a pilot light,
    or stayed the night,

    or steered her back to that house of his,
    or said “Don’t ask me how it is

    I like you.
    I just might do.”

    How he never figured out a fireproof plan,
    or unravelled her hand, as if her hand

    were a solid ball
    of silver foil

    and discovered a lifeline hiding inside it,
    and measured the trace of his own alongside it.

    But said some things and never meant them –
    sweet nothings anybody could have mentioned.

    And left unsaid some things he should have spoken,
    about the heart, where it hurt exactly, and how often.


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    http://frombooksofpoems.blogspot.com/2006/12/to-his-lost-lover-by-simon-armitage.html

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  7. Morning world.

    The poem is so very beautiful, Bitters, I'm (almost) lost for words in reply.

    And it is a perfect antidote to BTH.

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  8. Morning MsC

    Not been awake long - but put radio on earlier, in time to hear the end of a news bulletin - apparently Mandelson has said in response to something or other "Haven't the rich suffered enough?".........nearly fell out of bed laughing!

    Poor old bitey - really is in a state isn't he and as he says himself his reputation is utterly worthless.

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  9. Oh and yes - that is a lovely poem Bitters.

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  10. sheff

    I missed Mandelson the Magnificent, unfortunately. But the saga of BiteTheCarpet (as dear stoaty named him) almost makes up for it.

    I see from the Graun that Cameron:

    "... was accused last night of trying to "rig" both houses of parliament for political advantage by slashing the number of MPs by 50 and planning to pack the Lords with dozens more Conservative peers".

    Do you think he has his sights on the red London Boroughs? And the socialist republic of South Yorkshire?

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  11. Bloody hell, those posts are disturbing. Isn't 'Aspie' an acceptable term...?

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  12. The thing that astonishes me about the house of lords plans is the sheer cost involved in the project. Making all those lords retire, having to pay them off really quite large sums of money, and an ongoing pension, only to replace them with another shovel full of other unelected cronies... How on earth do they hope to get away with it in these times of 'austerity'?

    Born and raised to lead, (the 'natural party of government' as they like to style themselves) they really don't give a fuck what the ordinary people think, do they?

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  13. PrincessCC & Dave from France

    I read the Silent Coup last night - it was really interesting, thanks for that. One thing I wasn't clear on though - is it right that governments are reluctant to squeeze the oligarchs because of cronyism and connections? I'd assumed it was because there's nothing to stop oligarchs re-domiciling themselves and their wealth to Monaco or Switzerland or somewhere, an then the government would lose out on the tax revenue and jobs that the oligarch's dealings bring. But I could well be missing something, I'm a layman on economics.

    The bit where he points out that the government (US, but it applies here as well) were at pains to not point to any systemic problem that led to the crisis resonates. They essentially left the banking system and regulatory climate as it was before. 'If it's too big to fail it's too big to exist' - that should be self-evident. Surely even Mervyn King was in favour of splitting the banks between investment and retail? That seems to have fallen by the wayside...

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  14. BeautifulBurnout

    "You have inserted the word "Poles" into the post of mine you quoted. The question I was responding to was something like how do Poles and other migrants manage to find so much work if there are no jobs available, with the implication that it was just us Brits being workshy feckless idiots.

    Nothing in my post suggests that they should be sent back. I was simply going on my own experience of some Eastern European and a lot of South Asian migrants, how they manage to live under the radar and how they manage to find jobs that "nobody else wants to do" by working cash in hand while living in appalling conditions."

    Wheat from Chaff:

    "Appalling by whose standards? Clearly not theirs, otherwise they wouldn't do it. Nobody is forcing them to, after all.

    The rather uncomfortable truth is that what this spoiled, unprecedented wealthy and healthy and long-lived generation considers to be "poverty" is several factors removed from what the rest of the world considers to be "poverty"."

    Is this the most naive tory on the planet? Where do you start with a political analysis like this? Good holy god. Of course, everyone who lives in difficult circumstances 'chooses' it. Fuck me.

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  15. "I read the Silent Coup last night - it was really interesting, thanks for that. One thing I wasn't clear on though - is it right that governments are reluctant to squeeze the oligarchs because of cronyism and connections? I'd assumed it was because there's nothing to stop oligarchs re-domiciling themselves and their wealth to Monaco or Switzerland or somewhere, an then the government would lose out on the tax revenue and jobs that the oligarch's dealings bring. But I could well be missing something, I'm a layman on economics."

    I would imagine it's a bit of both. But I'm not even a layman on economics, so what would I know. :-)

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  16. Dear Bitey

    A few words from your pathetic but well meaning friend Deano.......

    Fuck off

    I'm sure the lady Rit will, as ever, speak for herself.

    A very fine poem BW I much liked it.

    "...How they never slept like buried cutlery..."

    Ah the perpetual ache .....

    It really is a godsend that humans can't read each the others mind. I'd would be for ever getting a slap when I came across lady librarians.......

    At least I have a poetic defence now.

    Shudder the thought that security mind reading machines would ever be installed in public libraries..................or at checkouts in supermarkets to protect the finer sensibilities of dear lady till operators who I often admire whilst waiting in the que.....

    Fred Furnivall never had these problems.

    Having exhausted most of the arguments for and against the existence of God - I am left with the ultimate design argument.......the existence of ladies and lady librarians.

    It is therefore unarguable - there is a god of ...kinds.

    Regards all

    ....another busy day in the tramp fields of Yorkshire beckons

    ps 3P4 - your thought the other day about the impact of dynasty on the affairs of women and men was spot on.

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  17. from the groan front page

    After being alerted by leading banks that the proposed levy could raise an unexpectedly high £3.9bn a year, the Treasury is considering cutting the rate of the tax on UK and international banks to ensure the chancellor's £2.5bn target is not breached.

    George Osborne plans to cut levy on banks balance sheets

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  18. Meerkatjie, I don't know - it just seems to me that a chancellor who had the opportunity to raise lots of extra tax income from the super-rich would do so. Even if you assume that self-interest is their only motivation, it would be a popular move with the electorate. The fact that no chancellor does this makes me look for an economic reason, i.e. we'd be worse off if we tried to tax the super-rich because they'd go elsewhere. If you have time today you should have a look at that article, it's really good (here)

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  19. Vizzo 9.29-- well done for wading through and finding that link to The Quiet Coup by Simon Johnson . I must be brief because the sun's out, it's stopped raining, and the gales succeeded by a gentle F3 .

    The argument for public consumption is of course the re-domiciling one , but like all similar you've got to take it to its logical conclusion . A parallel : look at the 30yr trend of distribution of income between Capital and Labour, and project it . Look at the de-skilling and hollowing-out of whole economies / societies and the consequences for quality of life . Globalisation and automation / IT , we saw the first signs of where we are now 40yrs ago , but of course the politicians are working to short time-scales .

    It's all about Power. If the Davos crowd of financial and other economic Oligarchs consider themselves the New Rulers of the World, we can fucking disagree . Can't we ?

    In the shortish term there's a certain amount of poker-playing between govts and Mammon; the latter has had more cards for some time, and the govts often corrupt and nearly always weak,and often plain thick (!), so it's been a bit of a walk-over. Interesting to see if the balance gets redressed in the next few years, because there are counter-movements out there . Look at Latin America .

    Spread the word and more people here will wake up too .

    PS The shift in economic power , etc, means that our growth is going to be minimal for some long time ... so there will be stagnation in per capita GDP, a question of how we imagine "work" and distribution of incomes . Something to do on distri of wealth too. The ridiculous concept of a Death Tax shows the abysmal level of debate ...:)


    Bitterweed -- thanks for the poem !

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  20. Morning All

    I'll get this bit out of the way up front:

    Fuck off, Bitey!

    There - that's better.

    BW - thanks for posting those over here cos I may well have missed them. The hilarious rantings of a psychotic. It really is rather sad. Bless. Loved your Stewie allusion though. That is exactly how I "hear" his voice in my head too. Only perhaps a tad more effeminate and menacing - a bit like Mandy, as Ms Chin (or was it Sheff) said.

    Meerkatjie - WFC is an old school libertarian barrister. I have lots of interesting chats with him about the law and civil liberties on various threads, but his views on politics and the economy make me want to bang my head on the desk. But at least he keeps it polite. TwoSwords finds it hard to comment without sounding like Otto off A Fish Called Wanda at times.

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  21. ".....re-domiciling themselves and their wealth to Monaco or Switzerland or somewhere..."

    Begs a whole load of questions about the definition of wealth. You cant redomicile most physical assets on which the alleged wealth is based.......what gets moved around is simply numbers and titles and deeds in electronic ledgers. Diamonds and gold and pieces of art etc are only temporary refuges for the stolen sweat of other folks work

    The Cayman Islands has no real defence .......from pirates

    BTW - Liked you choice for a requiem last night meerkat

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  22. WFC and BB and frog2 collaborated on the JulianGreenArrest threads ... well, we don't all have to agree on absolutely everything to work together on specifics, do we ?

    A lesson there .

    frog2

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  23. Dave - Damian Green? But yes, WFC is obviously right-wing-libertarian on that graph thingy whereas we are left-wing-libertarian. Or whatever it was.

    I can't even remember where to find the link to that thing now.

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  24. Deano

    Re Pirates - well the Somalis could do with a holiday in the Caribbean, don't you think? :o)

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  25. Dave, a poker game which capital is winning strikes me as a good analogy, but what gives them that edge? I'd say the fact that they can operate across national borders, and across different regulatory climates, so all an individual government can do is court them. We're essentially bidding and competing for business, with international companies and investors being the customers - it follows that they have all the leverage. The solution would seem to be some sort of pan-national regulatory network, but the political will and convergence of interests that would make that possible seems like a distant fantasy. So, having got rid of our industry, what can the UK do except do business on whatever terms the market dictates?

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  26. BB -- Damian of course ,its the alzeimers, and now the sun's gone in ! bifn XX

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  27. Vizzo -- going out now . Lines of thought worth pursuing there, between TINA, and TALOBA, there are lots of bloody alternatives ! The Duke is our resident poker-expert, I believe ...

    Seeya, frog2.

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  28. I find it even more worrying that a barrister in presumably adult life thinks people *choose* abject poverty....

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  29. Viz - young sir you may find it helpful in your study/thinking about economics to distinguish between real wealth and tokens and alleged measures of it.

    The coal under the fields of Yorkshire for example has at different moment in times been regarded as black gold and then at others as near worthless.

    It's true ownership and its real and future potential wealth are still open to debate.

    We should never believe what accountants and lawyers tell us about value and wealth. They are paid well to be fucking liars and sophists.

    Important considerations in the real affairs and accounts of humanity are - can you eat it? can you drink it? will it keep you warm/cool? can you dance /move to it? will it make you laugh/cry and can you fuck it?....

    ....All the rest as our old friend Arthur Seaton put is "propagnda"

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  30. I to the Vizzo said...

    Meerkatjie, I don't know - it just seems to me that a chancellor who had the opportunity to raise lots of extra tax income from the super-rich would do so. Even if you assume that self-interest is their only motivation, it would be a popular move with the electorate. The fact that no chancellor does this makes me look for an economic reason

    Well if you only look for the confirming and not the disconfirming...

    I mean, one pretty obvious reason why they might not might be to consider where parties get their funding from.

    And whether politicians might themselves have or hope to have a few bob to salt away from the taxman.

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  31. correction....

    ..lawyers(BB excepted :)) are fucking liars and sophists....

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  32. I to the Vizzo said...

    So, having got rid of our industry, what can the UK do except do business on whatever terms the market dictates?

    Do what other countries do and leverage existing success and invest in new industry, taking advantage of our excellent science base.

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  33. Meerkatjie

    Do you remember when there was all that business about the Blairs buying a flat for their son and being involved with someone dodgy, and people were saying "There is no way Cherie would not have realised that it wasn't quite right"?

    The problem is that a lot of barristers - not entirely sure it is the majority these days, but still - go straight from Public school to Oxbridge to the Bar. Each of these is an ivory tower all its own, completely cut off from reality.

    In some respects that is what makes for good barristers, because it means they can look at the law absolutely coldly and impartially and apply it accordingly.

    But in most respects it makes them dysfunctional and incapable of any empathy at all with anything outside their own personal experience.

    Now I didn't follow the traditional route by any stretch of the imagine, but I will hold my hands up and admit that when I see an account in the newspaper of someone who has been murdered, the first thought is not for the victim or their family, but rather "ooh, I wonder what the defence will be on that?" because that is the way one's brain becomes "programmed" by the job.

    So while I agree that people like WFC come across as having no compassion at times, at the end of the day they have likely never been in a position where compassion was expected of them. If that makes any sense.

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  34. Damn - I am going to have to disappear now as off to see my Dad then off up to the Midlands for work tomorrow. Have a good day everyone. xx

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  35. hevers - I didn't consider you a fibber and I wasn't being idly incredulous.

    Getting from a Council estate Primary to a Public School is in truth an unusual(not unique) story and one I was really interested in hearing (that is if you wanted to tell it).

    Of course I knew about scholarships and the power of determined and doting and sacrificing parents is the stuff of legends.

    You and your UT public school compatriots are fine examples of souls who should be spared when we get to the barricades

    regards.

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  36. dave from france said...
    Vizzo -- going out now . Lines of thought worth pursuing there, between TINA, and TALOBA, there are lots of bloody alternatives ! The Duke is our resident poker-expert, I believe ...

    Seeya, frog2.


    Yeah, it's this crazy idea neolibs put about that the developing world is going to make everything and no one can compete.

    It's bollocks, of course. As Krugman showed, the developing world cannot hope to cater for world demand, and anyway as their economies expand they are going to need more stuff themselves. That's the point of trade. It generates more opportunities for all. It's not a zero-sum game.

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  37. "... because it means they can look at the law absolutely coldly and impartially and apply it accordingly...

    dream on my lovely sister.

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  38. "....and anyway as their economies expand they are going to need more stuff themselves. That's the point of trade....."

    Which is why China is tying Africa into long term contracts on raw materials ....

    ....and some cynics think that as things are going China will own the USA and most of Africa in time and then the rest of the world .....

    the law of the free market Jungle is that the biggest and strongest will win and the "Rule of Law" can go fuck its self.

    heady stuff this casual slippery globalisation

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  39. Lol Deano, and you too should be spared from the Public School agents manning the defences!!

    There are possibly some aspects of note in what happened in my case, but all's well that ends well, and all that.

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  40. >>I have absolutely no one to hurt.

    What a touching line of veracity from Bitey. Perhaps this is why he constantly tries so hard, and fruitlessly, to wound strangers on the internet?

    Checkov, there are plenty of anagram makers on the web, just type 'anagram maker' into google : ) IDS = Naiad Cums Ninth, Adman Chin Units, Mania Cunt Hinds & my fave "Hi, I Cunt Sandman!"

    On vegional accent sayings, the Dundonial baker who is asked for, "A bridie 'n an 'ngin 'n an aw"

    Havin to fight Bloggerr this mornin! 5th attempt to post!

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  41. Apols. fur the spellin' fingas not awake yet!

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  42. @deano

    Yep, as long as we persist with neoliberalism we are liable to get truly shafted by those who take advantage of its weaknesses.

    Course, that won't bother thoee with capital taking short-term advantage...

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  43. deano

    China will own the USA and most of Africa in time and then the rest of the world .....

    Doesn't China already hold a massive amount of the US's debt? They probably own the place already. I notice no one mentions it much.

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  44. Yeah, I've dealt with WFC before. Slippery. Seems very concerned to defend Tory party policy. I was giving him some stick over BigSoc. one night and he bailed and returned first thing with backup. Not that it did him any good...

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  45. Probably 100% anecdote, but I heard/read somewhere that there is physicaly more cash i.e greenbacks foldin' paper money in US $ in China than there is in the US...

    I think it was 'a good read' or summat on r4, they'd lookd at a dystopian novel,and at the end the presenter asks for predictions for 50m years in the future. One says utopia, the other says mad max post apocalypse, the last says, "I'd like the former, although more likely than the latter is; much the same, except 'we' are all in white jackets serving iced G&T on the terrace, to our Chinese masters!"

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  46. does indeed Sheff inscrutable folk these Chinese......

    They might be buying our aircraft carriers without aircraft (at knock down prices) the way things are going.

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  47. BB - "TwoSwords finds it hard to comment without sounding like Otto off A Fish Called Wanda at times. "

    My favourite quote from that film.

    "You ape!"
    "Apes don't read Nietsche!"
    "Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it..."

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  48. Gordon thread going brilliantly, as was to be expected...

    "Last weekend, when I guest-edited my wife Sarah's Twitter stream to raise awareness of Aung San Suu Kyi's plight..."


    pfffffffffff.

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  49. Sheffpixie said...

    Doesn't China already hold a massive amount of the US's debt? They probably own the place already. I notice no one mentions it much.

    Seen it said over on Cif that they also tend to demand a government stake when overseas firms invest there. Dunno the extent of it, be interesting to know...

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  50. We all heard of the "limits to growth"

    we'd all do well to recognise that the limits to the "rule of law" is the barrel of a gun.

    I love the idea that the horse hair wigged lawyers and 'coked' inspired bankers will be bringing home the bacon to the UK for my grand and great grand kids - sadly methinks not, much as I adore BB.

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  51. "You ape!"
    "Apes don't read Nietsche!"
    "Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it..."


    Loved it! PhillB

    am away wi me dog.

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  52. hevers

    I mean, one pretty obvious reason why they might not might be to consider where parties get their funding from.

    Hmmm that's a good point. But if so then how do you break that circle? I mean electioneering costs money, it has to come from somewhere. Unless there was a grassroots candidate who came in on the strength of some worked-out, coherent and (relatively) low risk alternative. That's what, to my mind, is lacking.

    Just to clarify, I'm not trying to undermine what you're saying here in order to 'win'the argument - I really am a bit agnostic on this and not very informed about economics. I'm happy to be persuaded, but nowhere can I see a clear plan as to how to meaningfully hike up high-end and corporate tax, and facilitate short term growth to pull us out of recession.

    We already agreed that seeding & supporting industry and tech is a good thing, but that's a medium-to-long term strategy, not a fix.

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  53. Bitterweed - so now you're HCB?

    Sorry but I don't follow the UT as closely as I might.

    No poem from me sadly but another quote from J S Mill that I'm sure you'll appreciate:


    The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.

    John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

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  54. But, as a relatively dispassionate observer here, bitethehand, I feel I must point out that nobody did in fact try to silence you. Quite to the contrary, someone very kindly took your words and broadcast them further for you.

    I'm at a loss as to the relevance of the JSM quote, therefore.

    (I'm also at a loss as to on which planet the term 'aspie' is regarded as offensive. Most of the parents of autistic children that I know use it as an affectionate shorthand. It's not cruel or cutting - it is simply a way of expressing their difficulties with social situations. I don't like the autism label, personally, but to suggest that the term itself is offensive betrays perhaps a lack of understanding of what matters to the families caring for children with these kinds of difficulties.)

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  55. http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/forums.php

    (Just for purposes of illustration, BTH.)

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  56. Bitethehand
    Do I get more points if I answer you or ignore you ? Not that I can do much about it - off out soon.

    Cheers.

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  57. ...thanks for turning up, meeerkatjie, some of us were losing the will to live...

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  58. Vizzo,

    The solution to the party funding issue is well-known: state funding for parties. Which also stops one party from having too big a funding advantage.

    You're being selective in terms of the investment thing. Only recalling areas of difficulty, and not the solutions.

    So yes, seeding some industry would take too long, but as I said, you can invest in already-existing, promising industries to get a much quicker return.

    You can also make funds available more generally for business, being as the banks are choking off lending to business at the moment.

    We gave money to the banks, partly to help them recapitalise, but also so they would lend to business, but they didn't do much of the lending. We should have a better mechanism in place to ensure lending to business.

    Then there is the point that investing in projects with longer lead times can still help the economy, since you are providing a stimulus with a handy growth multiplier, with money that will get recycled, employing suppliers, keeping people off the dole and avoiding knock-on crime, health and social costs.

    Plus, invest in the right areas and you can attract inward investment on the back of it.

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  59. @bitey

    So you live in China and apparently take an interest in Thailand (to go by your latest CiF ID: Phimai).

    Given your spirited defence of sex with minors on CiF and your joking about adults handling children's genitals, I'am a little concerned about why exactly you've chosen to live in the Far East.

    Is that something the authorities should be investigating, bitey?

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  60. We're not trying to silence you bitey - but it is nevertheless strange, that given the vast size of the interwebz and all the fora available for you to comment on - you insist on exposing your very sad state of mind to all and sundry on the UT - not to mention your pathetic stalking of BB.

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  61. Whoah, this is freaky. What's happening to the Daily Mail?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1329466/SUZANNE-MOORE-Stick-wielding-Leftie-yobs-Not-lovely-boys-I-met-pub.html

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  62. BB

    off up to the Midlands for work tomorrow

    Pop in for a drink afterwards! :-)

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  63. @Meerkatjie

    Freaky indeed! How the hell did that one slip past Paul Dacre?

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  64. BitetheHand,

    you do know that John Stuart Mill was a champion of Women's rights and equality, publishing The subjection of women in 1869?

    Mill who you use to defend your right to publish pathetic posts would be appalled at your weirdo stalking of women on the internet.

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  65. Spike,

    meant to say, I'm not an expert on poker. Darts and football yes, poker unfortunately not.

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  66. Meerkatjie

    Worth posting, but -

    Although some of those with Asperger’s use the term to refer to themselves, the UK National Autistic Society cautions journalists against referring to someone as “an aspie.”

    Of course this reflects the danger of using any abbreviated form.

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  67. Oh, do fuck off Bitey.

    Apologies for using an abbreviated form.

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  68. @Your Grace

    You've lost me there. I don't remember mentioning poker...

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  69. 13thDukeofWybourne, I don't stalk, I respond to anyone's views, whether I agree or disagree. Ask AllyF or JayReilly to whom I've responded far more than I have to MrsBootstraps and both of whom were men the last time I checked.

    And anyone who writes ATL can hardly object to people who post on their threads, or am I missing something?

    And here you are back in 2009:

    13thDukeofWybourne - 04 December, 2009 19:11
    Hank,I think you'll find that because BTH has defended Brooks, Barbara Ellen and the other crackpot feminist articles on CiF he has what in Monoply is termed a 'Get out of Jail free card.'


    With comments like this Duke I hardly think you're the best authority on women's rights.

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  70. Fuck off Bitey, you creepy misogynistic stalker.

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  71. Spike, sorry it was davefromfrance who said it. You French residents all look the same.....;)

    Bitey, damn, rumbled. My misogyny knows no bounds. The post you refer to was my reaction to the Barbara Ellen article defending the asssumption that a female teacher seducing a male pupil was somehow less damaging than a male teacher seducing a female pupil. And the Brooks article I referred to was the one in which she tried to defend Jane Andrews by making bogus excuses.

    This is fun! Any more?

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  72. "Although some of those with Asperger’s use the term to refer to themselves, the UK National Autistic Society cautions journalists against referring to someone as “an aspie.”"

    Oh, I certainly wouldn't use the term in any kind of formal writing. But to suggest that people shouldn't be able to define themselves as they choose is really a bit problemmatic.

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  73. I don't stalk,

    Yes you do bitey and this woman (a feminist of many years standing btw), can certainly do without you on her side thanks. Fact is His Grace is way out of your league and a respected ally of mine - so just bugger off and bore other people for a change.

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  74. "13thDukeofWybourne - 04 December, 2009 19:11
    Hank,I think you'll find that because BTH has defended Brooks, Barbara Ellen and the other crackpot feminist articles on CiF he has what in Monoply is termed a 'Get out of Jail free card.'"

    Whoaaaahhhh. Yeah, calling up posts from nearly 12 months ago... That's not stalkerish at all....

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  75. @Meerkatjie

    Oh, bitey's archives go back much further than that.

    @Da Duke

    You French residents all look the same.....;)

    It's our berets, stripy t-shirts and moustaches. Can I interest you in a string of onions?

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  76. Meerkatjie,

    firstly, hello to you, I first assumed you were Dutch with your user name.

    Secondly, you've done it now. Expect your past posting history to be rifled through, distorted, taken out of context and used against you in a frankly weird manner.

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  77. That is some seriously creepy behaviour you are exhibiting Bitey.

    I felt a little pang for you earlier when you said there was no one in your life that you had to worry about hurting, but honestly, have a good think about what you are doing and what it says about your state of mind.

    You claim to be of independent means, employ a professional to get to the roots of whatever your problem is, get some help.

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  78. re: bitethehand

    If there was ever anyone who challenged the principles of free comment and non-deletion, it has to be that loathsome excuse for a human being.
    What a repellent outpouring of spite at the beginning of the thread - a quite astonishingly hateful stream of abuse.

    Turminder, I think you're exactly right;
    'I have absolutely no one to hurt.'

    What a touching line of veracity from Bitey. Perhaps this is why he constantly tries so hard, and fruitlessly, to wound strangers on the internet?


    My hope is that this vile stalker will someday enjoy the same treatment as he has inflicted on others; although it would possibly have little effect on someone so deficient in humanity.

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  79. Hallo Shaz! Congrats on the win yesterday ... it was shocking to see England play so well. ;-)

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  80. Thaum... cheeky! Great for Martin Johnson, bless him...

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  81. Whooooh Meerkats

    Welcome to the UT. The phrase above was used to great comic effect by Atomboy, as his opening line of the day - referring to the picture at the beginning of the thread - regardless of content !

    Meerkatjie
    If was probably due to this that when you turned up on CiF with your innocent moniker, you were regarded suspiciously as one from 'over there' *hushed tone*

    Anyway, it's good to see you're ability to pick up the pace quickly.

    Bitey is nothing more than an oxygen thief !

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  82. Hi Shaz!

    How did your week go?

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  83. I reckon, tough as it may be, we should all ignore Bitey. He is the masochist saying, 'Beat me, beat me!'

    We should be real sadists and say,


    "... no ..."

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  84. Although I swore I'd never again respond to that well-known plagiarist, fraudster and all-around shit-dribble Bracken, having said all I wanted to months ago, his latest attack on the bereaved mother of a soldier was more than I could endure, particularly coming after his attacks on @redminer, who's worth a thousand pompous, hypocritical halfwits like Bracken.

    I'm parking this here as I imagine it'll only last on WADDYA for as long as it takes Bracken The Soldier's Friend to find the 'abuse' button:




    @abiggerboat - "Mr. Bracken's stern moralising is a tonic. Perhaps Mr. Bracken would also give us the benefit of his ethical searchlight concerning another case of someone benefiting from the crooked 'something-for-nothing' culture Mr. Bracken so rightly deplores.

    A man is convicted of insider trading. Not only is the man obviously a crook and a cheat, but he is a thief, stealing from those who trade honestly. The man in question is fined a mere £15,000 by the Financial Services Authority.

    Does Mr. Bracken agree with me that such a man, clearly morally bankrupt, should, in fact, have been sent to prison? Furthermore, is it not a sign of this man's utter shamelessness that he went on to offer himself as a potential Labour parliamentary candidate?


    Does Mr. Bracken agree with me that such men are even more reprehensible than mothers of dead soldiers who receive compensation for their loss? Mr. Bracken?...Mr. Bracken...(tumbleweed blows down the deserted streets of WADDYA...crickets chirrup....a coyote howls out on the empty moral high ground...)"

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  85. OK - so who's 'biggerboat' then? Anyone know? See waddya....

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  86. Hey, Spike - alright, thanks - the course was quite hard work (bah) but am feeling moderately positive... I'll let you know at the end of it... Jan sometime...

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  87. Spike - Ha HA

    You quintessential Frenchman you.

    Oft to cater for the Yorkshire Pud duties !

    Hope you are well !

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  88. All right, turm?

    Have you read Surface Detail yet? I'm about a quarter way through. Bloody brilliant!

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  89. Tascia, thanks - no-one had actually explained that to me, so it's good to know that's where it all came from. I did remain very puzzled by the whole bizarre thing! The worst of it seems to be over now, and I'm confident that within a few more days, I'll just bit another bit of the furniture. :)

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  90. @shaz

    I imagined that's why you weren't around much. Glad to hear it's positive.

    @tascia

    I'm fine and you? Loadsawork, which I certainly can't complain about in the current climate.

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  91. have found flatmate!

    [huge sigh of relief]

    physio student doing a work placement. seems nice. likes football.

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  92. off now to video shoot for oisette's band.

    this should be interesting....

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  93. I've only been here a few days, but after reading just a few threads it seems the best possible response is...

    Fuck off Bitey

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  94. @timboktu

    Your contribution is welcome. :-)

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  95. martillo said...

    "You're a weird geezer, Bitey. When I first 'met' you online, your only contribution seemed to be unconditional support for anything women said about anything. Then you developed this obsession with BB. What's it all about, eh?
    13 November, 2010 19:25"

    Well according my records, the first time I came across anything MrsBootstraps wrote on CiF that was worth commenting on, was back in February 2009 when I believe she was a relative newcomer.

    Comment on: Nick Griffin in Europe? Not likely
    Bitethehand 01 Feb 09, 12:50am
    BeautifulBurnout
    To be fair, 20:20 hindsight is a marvellous thing. I was delighted when New Labour came to power in 97, as was the majority of the population. How the hell could any of us foresee that the "New Labour, New Danger" adverts with the demon eyes were an accurate prediction?


    Good point BB but while Labour politicians have always been a bunch of duplicitous opportunists, trade union leaders are expected at the very least not to follow slavishly, the likes of Blair and Brown.

    Well martillo, actually history shows she developed an obsession, and so great that the only way she could cope with it was by getting me banned as the infamous Mr Scorpio has reminded us.

    But you're not quite right with your analysis.

    Here I am on the Peter Tatchell thread on Cornish nationalism, praising you to the hilt - and not a women in sight 0:)

    Quoting Peter Tatchell:

    "Cornish nationalists should collect all the hate-filled, bigoted, stereotyped, generalisations about Cornish people posted on this thread (mostly in the first 200 posts) and use them as evidence to the Council of Europe and the Equality and Human Rights Commission. They show that education in understanding and acceptance is much needed, and that the Cornish are justified when they say they are unfairly maligned."

    Earlier on this thread I posted the following:

    "Peter what is the matter with you? I have been through over 200 posts here and count five that might be considered 'hate-filled' or 'virulent anti-Cornish' or 'juvenile' and so on. This includes Tim Footman's post about Tooting! Yet not one post has been removed by the moderator - unless I missed it. Is this a record?"

    "Since then others have challenged your claim so I suggest the evidence going to the Council and the Commission is going to be fairly short."

    "However, as one earlier poster pointed out, (martillo at 11.57am) the abuse and insults have largely come from those who are your supporters, to which you seem particularly blind. Or is this just part of Cornish culture they're expressing?"

    And a little later in the year martillo here I was praising you again:

    "A great conclusion to an excellent article, Mr Cohen"
    "I couldn't think of a better response than yours so I'll use it.
    martillo -
    "I had no answer for him, but sensed that his furious questions were a better indicator of the bankrupting of the long period of Labour dominance than any opinion poll."

    So there you have it.

    Having said that here you are in your most offensive and something I suspect you'll now regret having posted:

    martillo - 22 September, 2009 11:52

    "Grrr! Those cowardly cif bastards have closed down the waddya where BTH defends lesbian paedophilia. No fucking shame."

    You defame and libel The Guardian's women writers who's views that a 26 year old woman shouldn't be imprisoned for having an affair with a soon to be 16 year old, I was merely supporting and repeating. It's an indication of the poverty of your argument that you wouldn't make that accusation against The Guardian's writers.

    Yes?

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  96. Grand ta Spike : ) Have SD on the shelf, I like to keep a few treats for the winter. Like Hellblazer : India. Which is my winterval present to myself. Have made a new pal in the village, a fellow comic nerd, we have exchanged graphic novels, he's reading Planet Hulk, I'm half way thru Kick Ass.

    Merkatjie, in Punjabi your name means "Respected Meerkat"? : )

    Are you and timboktutu each others "significant others"? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick? (not unknown)

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  97. Smile, nod and don't maintain eye contact, he does not realise his behaviour is super freaky. Just smile and nod, nothing to see here, scroll on by....

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  98. Hi Spike - I'm good - work keeping me busy as well. Just back from Catalonia, where the weather aided considerably in me shifting this bloody awful cold, fluey bug.

    Glad to hear LaRit has finally broken it's stranglehold as well as BB.

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  99. He really is at a loose end - no unfortunate Chinese students to fleece this afternoon bitey?

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  100. meerkat - baptism of fire. You walked through it well.

    BTW the lunatic quak quak duck (montanawildduck) that has tried to disturb the peaceful waters of the UT sanctuary with his multiple and childish quak quaks is widely believed to be aka English Hermit.

    Not all old hippies are well meaning but pathetic........some are pathetic and not well meaning at all.

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  101. http://www.flickr.com/photos/theuntrusted/5174796792/

    Ahem [indicates new post] : )

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  102. spike / backtothepoint / Tony Shallcross

    You really do yourself no favours with your ignorant post at 12:54 which isn't even original and about which you'll doubtless live to regret
    once you've had a chance to reflect on your stupidity.

    If you cared to look at my post to Leni a few days back, you'd understand why I choose to spend part of my time in China and part in England.

    And Phimai is the name of a temple in the Angkor Wat complex of Cambodia, but why allow facts to interfere with your ignorance.

    And please go ahead and notify the appropriate authorities if you feel sufficiently confident about your accusations. I'm sure The Guardian would have no qualms about releasing my identity to the police, if that's who you're referring to. But when they're assured that your claims are merely malicious and rather pathetic self-publicity, maybe they'll be talking to you about wasting their time.

    You might like to investgate the case of Neil Weiner to understand the seriousness of the situation you've created for yourself.

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  103. C'm on... No one even havin a go? Wybourne must know this;

    "A bridie 'n an 'ngin 'n an aw" : )

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  104. Veiled threats from someone who when banned from a public forum and who can't resist coming back in Groucho specs and a painted on moustache? It's PAINTED ON ffs.

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  105. "Merkatjie, in Punjabi your name means "Respected Meerkat"? : )

    Are you and timboktutu each others "significant others"? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick? (not unknown)"

    Let's just say that when Pen asked Tim the other day whether he wanted to 'kiss and make up', I was tempted to ask whether he was quite sure, and did he know where that mouth had been....

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  106. Bitey - you may have missed it but sadly yet another has been moded out here on UT.

    The Wild Hermit appeared to have ingested a wild toadstool and went bonkers .....we had a few days of him turning up and posting the word quak repeated to the post limit, and then copied and pasted in multiple following posts.

    Public decency and tired scrolling fingers required the deletion of the wilder productions his disturbed mind (eg quak x12x50x10 etc) but if you look back, whilst his idle and tedious repetition was removed, his essential messages are still there unmoderated and undeleted for all to see.

    This is because we are, despite your wilder flights of fancy, united in trying to defend freedom of speech and wildness of expression thus I am at liberty to say again......

    Fuck Off Bitey.

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  107. (Good detective skills, btw. While it wasn't something we'd exactly hidden, and I'd said a few things about Tim, I'm impressed that anyone had pieced it together that fast! Or was it the shared IP address what dun it?)

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  108. Deano 15.04 -- not just 'widely believed', self-proclaimed on waddya, before moderation and possibly a right bollocking from Guardian Towers.

    englishhermit 10 November 2010 12:40PM

    "Instead, go over to the Untrusted site, set up an account, and flood the site with Quacks. It's bouncing quackbomb, inspired by the Dambusters. There will be ack ack. You will be the subject of hysterical name calling (especially when they are drunk), attempts at defamation and a tirade of abuse. Take no notice of them because the bomb works "

    Off outside again, still not-raining ...

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  109. The weiner case involved the accuser framing the accused so that he could steal his job. I'm not completely convinced this applies here. Or are you a caretaker and Spike your deputy in another universe?

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  110. Good news PhillB - chap or chapess and who herm support?

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  111. @bitey

    Took you a while to reply, but it seems I touched a nerve there.

    Phimai is a township in the Nakhon Ratchasima Province in the northeast of Thailand, but why allow facts to interfere with your ignorance?

    Anyway, I've noted your threats (the latest in a vast number of empty, impotent menaces). Bring it on, you foul, sick little excrescence.

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  112. @Meerkatjie

    Bitey's deputy? For pity's sake, not even in jest!

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  113. Cheers frog2 - I don't go there that often and now Leni is back posting here I have no need of the place.

    A little too sweetly/treacly for my taste.

    But each to their own - we can always sort out our differences, real or imagined, when we find our respective positions on the barricades.

    I'm sorry Brussels but if you don't get me first
    I'll be looking for you - your conduct when last on UT was despicable and is at the root of a lot of the continuing angst and anger between the places. You dear lady are one of a very very few posters I actively dislike. It's not a dislike of the Opera or Arts that I have it's a dislike of petulant and spiteful behaviour that turns me off.

    Lady you is up there with Paris Hilton - a tit on a stick. I trust you are suitably offended.

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  114. meerkat & tim - you make a fine collective item.

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  115. From bullyonline.org:


    Many serial bullies are also serial attention-seekers. More than anything else they want attention. It doesn't matter what type of attention they get, positive or negative, as long as they can provoke someone into paying them attention. It's like a 2-year-old child throwing a tantrum to get attention from a parent. The best way to treat bullies is to refuse to respond and to refuse to engage them - which they really hate. In other words, do not reply to their postings, and on forums carry on posting without reference to their postings as if they didn't exist. In other words, treat nobodies as nobodies.

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  116. deano - chap, and OM, so he's going to have to keep that quiet, heheheheheehh.

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  117. turm fine observational skills comrade.

    I meant to say that if the winter purse is light don't overlook home brewing.It's all sugar and yeast after all. Bit of colour, bit of flavour but which ever way you cut it, friendly alcohol is just yeast's shit.

    and I who ain't had drop of pop since end of June always find that I can get silly high by overdosing on Vitamin B complex partic B6...

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  118. Just intuition Meerkatjie, you arrived at the same time and seemed more Christine & Frank, than Adrian & Christine. ; )

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  119. Meerkat/Tim - heh, I hadn't spotted that. Well done, Turm!

    Deano - nice one.

    Shaz - of course you are right.

    Philippa - OM???

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  120. @thaum

    Olympique de Marseille.

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  121. sorry - OM are Olympic Marseille, who were the biggest 'local' team. until Montpellier got promoted to Ligue 1. so now the local OM fans have to keep something of a low profile, as they are considered 'glory hunters' etc etc etc.

    but this guy's allowed, he's from reunion, so pretty much all the teams are equally far away...

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  122. Spike - I'm still confused. ;-)

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  123. speaking of footy, my dutch lesson is just starting...

    arghety bleiben bei wolves e wesat ham

    getting the hang of this, now...

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  124. Ah, but Philippa has explained all! Should've guessed a footie thing.

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  125. thauma - deano asked who new flatmate supported, if that's what's causing confusion...

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  126. hope soon to be able to post link to oisette's band, as the video shoot was apparently a roaring success and they even found a spare lesbian to do the romantic bit. youtube awaits. will link when it's all sorted.

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  127. Deano -- I'd given up waddya too, but a chance look late last sunday gave an idea for a Panel by insiders on the finance industry ... so followed last week ... but no reply from Jessica ...

    I only got HermitDuck's piece because he very kindly re-posted it here. frog2

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  128. France's greatest needle matches are between Paris Saint-Germain and Olympique de Marseille.

    PSG has the huge distinction of being a club that has two opposed groups of its own supporters (one extreme right, the other not) who beat each other up.

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  129. @Phil

    A spare lesbian? As in enraged?

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  130. ok, they're 'lacher-ing les lanternes' in a bit - going to go watch. have fun all.

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  131. You really do yourself no favours with your ignorant post at 12:54 which isn't even original

    heheheh....you claim a lack of originality in another - you of all people bitey - you who have to be the most unoriginal poster on the internet!

    Larf?...I cried!

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  133. To be honest when she was accused of being MF I was more than a bit perplexed!

    When the kiss and make up thing was first posted I was heard to mutter "I wouldn't touch him with Bru's"

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  134. @Sheff

    To give him credit, though, it wasn't original, it was a pure application of the bitey approach:

    - Think back over the target's posting history (fortunately, I have a memory and don't have to archive everything);

    - Choose the bits you can present in the most unfavourable light possible;

    - Use them to slyly insinuate something deeply offensive, but try not to do it directly - ask an insulting question.

    I didn't have to use the final - and perhaps most characteristic - weapon in bitey's arsenal:

    - If you're stuck, just make something libellous up. With a bit of luck, some of the people who read it won't bother to check it out or hang around to read the answer.

    That was why I was misled into thinking bitey's alter ago brooklynowes might be Bracken. They use much the same methods.

    The style is very different, though: Bracken sneers, blusters pompously and goes into meltdown, while bitey smears poisonously and stalks.

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  135. "And please go ahead and notify the appropriate authorities if you feel sufficiently confident about your accusations. I'm sure The Guardian would have no qualms about releasing my identity to the police, if that's who you're referring to. But when they're assured that your claims are merely malicious and rather pathetic self-publicity, maybe they'll be talking to you about wasting their time.

    You might like to investgate the case of Neil Weiner to understand the seriousness of the situation you've created for yourself".

    Nope, you have succeeded in establishing a course of conduct and could well face action under the Protection from Harassment Act.

    And then there's disability related harassment & hate crime, where a person is protected from such harassment & hate crime because of their association with their disabled child.

    And then there's victimisation ...

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  136. Spike

    The problem with the word 'stalks' in relation to bitey, is that it suggests he walks upright, whereas what he actually does is slither and slime about the place.

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  137. @MsChin

    Not quite sure about the self-publicity thing.

    Should I organise a focus group of UT regulars to find out if my awareness quotient for different Untrusted population cohorts has increased since my 12.54 post?

    It's a unpaid focus group, but there will be Bordeaux and cheese and they'll all get a little red star badge at the end.

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  138. I'll take the cheese, spike, but someone else will have to drink the wine.

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  139. Oh hello.

    I only dropped by to find an appropriate place to point out that Bracken is an unmitigated cunt and shout "FUCK OFF BRACKEN YOU SHITDRIBBLING WANKER" in a futile and gratuitous attempt to make myself feel better.

    Now it turns out I cannot leave without adding the observation that Bitey is an unmitigated cunt, and taking the opportunity to shout "FUCK OFF BITEY YOU SHITDRIBBLING WANKER" in a futile and gratuitous attempt to make myself feel better.

    It's BOGOF day at the Untrusted. What a stroke of luck.

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  140. Hello Ally.

    Feeling a tad frustrated? You've come to the right place ...

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  141. Mmmmm food Spike - I'm having Nigellla's Slut Spahetti with a rather nice Shiraz (reduced in the local offie), followed by Turkish yoghurt dripping in honey and fresh fruit. Can I still have a badge?

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  142. Evening Ally

    Nice to see you. Would be good to see you here more often - rather than just when you want to say things you daren't say on cif. :-))

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  143. @Ally

    Good to see you, Ally. Glad to see you noticed our BOGOF offer. Do you have a loyalty card?

    @Sheff

    You certainly can. I'm off shortly to dine with the republicdaughter and her family, but I'll be drinking something strictly non-alcoholic because I have to carry on working after. Curses!

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  144. ".... disability related harassment ......

    Interesting one Chin - I am playing with the idea of a small claims court move on Atos/Secretary of State for Disability Denial and thus harassment under the new Equality Act which came into effect October 1.

    In respect of me friends IB case....

    Chap was registered disabled under the old 1944 Act (and thus unarguably disabled under the 1995DDA and all later Acts)

    And since he is unarguably totally blind in one eye whilst the arrogant bastards at the disability denial factory ( (ddf=atos) I think I owe that ddf phrase to redminer) claim in writing that there is nothing wrong with his vision.

    An interesting possible claim if me mates up for it....watch the space.

    Win or loose I fancy seeing Atos and the Secretary of State cited in litigation about disability denial......

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  145. Meerkatjie

    Whoaaaahhhh. Yeah, calling up posts from nearly 12 months ago... That's not stalkerish at all....

    I post regularly on CiF on a number of issues and have done since June 2006 and I like the views of some of CiF's ATL writers who many posters don't. Because of this I have attracted a lot of opposition and that is fine, but many of those who oppose seem to resent even my right to post and have always done their best to get me banned. This opposition has featured not only on CiF but also here on The Untrusted.

    The Untrusted started in February 2009 and it was December when I made my first post here. By then there were over 400 posts about me, with large numbers being obscene and defamatory and included accusations that I am having sexual relationships with staff at CiF and The Guardian and getting favours from them, that I’m a racist, a stalker and on the basis of my posts on articles written by Barbara Ellen, Libby Brooks and Tanya Gold, that I am a paedophile. Some of these accusations have been repeated here today. Because The Untrusted is largely unmoderated, these posts have remained. You can read them yourself. Try 30 April, 2009 at 20:47; 17 May, 2009 at 00:12; 21 August, 2009 at 12:29; 10 December, 2009 at 23:54.

    On 16 August, a day I was in China where the censors prevent posting on google blogs even when using proxies, the residents here had some real fun pretending to be me. Here's one post of many:

    Anonymous said...
    Look here, I am getting a little bit pissed off with this.


    I am a FEMINIST. I deserve some respect and regard, don't you bitches realise the lengths I go to on your behalf? Whilst you're going about your everyday lives raising children, doing jobs and managing the home I AM FIGHTING FOR YOUR RIGHT TO DO IT. True, my selfless efforts have gained me not ONE SHAG. True, I am am ridiculed, but do I BACK DOWN? NO. I will continue to fight the fight and fuck the rest of you.

    Signing off, the REAL BITETHEHAND
    16 August, 2009 20:38


    And if you think my posts are bad, you need to read what this lot say about themselves. Have a look back for posts by HankScorpio, Monkeyfish and scherfig. Here's HankScorpio being particulaarly nasty to poor PaulBJ:

    You're not proud, Paul. We all know that. Your humble and subservient, and very very greedy for approval. It's sad to see. You need to get some self-respect.
    As for wiping the floor with my white arse, don't be silly. You're playing up to racial stereotypes there.
    "You're dont exist as far as i'm concerned."
    Suits me. Fuck off back to waddya. As I said earlier, you'll be more at home there. Maybe hermione can take you on as her houseboy.
    02 October, 2010 03:15

    So if you've a delicate disposition, be careful what you might read about yourself when this lot have had too much to drink.

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  146. Anybody know a good lawyer......

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  148. Someone impersonating Ally Fogg again?

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  149. "......the residents here had some real fun pretending to be me......."

    Fun Bitey? - As in it will be a laugh when I stop head banging. We all take our desire to see you abandon your wayward ways quite seriously.

    Taking the piss is mandatory in Yorkshire, my three kids do it to me all the time, it does not indicate that you or I are totally beyond redemption.

    Repent and join the human race - but you'll have to stop stalking BB et al

    I and many other UT's believe in real education and learning, I travel in hope that you will one day see sense and learn from the Uni of UT - failing that we can sort it at the barricades

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  150. "Because of this I have attracted a lot of opposition and that is fine, but many of those who oppose seem to resent even my right to post and have always done their best to get me banned".

    When you've been banned from CiF, it's been of your own doing.

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  151. "....seem to resent even my right to post...."

    You have always been allowed to post here Bitey (save the episode with Scherf). It's been said to you lots of times - at least we all have a shared passion for as little moderation as is humanly possible, albeit sometimes the shit and the fan collide

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  152. From your post, I take it I'm supposed to be reassured that should I ever post something immoderate or ill considered, I can rely on you to find it and rub my nose in it several weeks / months / years later... ?

    I don't really see what's so terribly dreadful about the feminist post. Also, I don't suppose you have real evidence it was anyone here that posted it? It's not really a case of being a serious imposter, since it's very clear from the post - even taken out of context - that it isn't actually you posting?

    I don't really know who hankscorpio is or the context of that comment either. I do have a passing acquaintance with Paul, who seems a very pleasant person.

    I think you're just going to have to leave me to find things out for myself, to be honest. I'm quite good at that.

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  154. Good day All

    Shaz--After reading that paragraph about online bullies, I'm going to try to heed that advice. Won't be easily done though.

    Spike--How about good old Sunderland? Wow, I never saw that coming. All credit to them, it was a good performance and Chelsea looked flat and rather unusually meek in attack.

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  155. There must be a decent script in this somewhere - I'm sure we could make a few quid out of biteys preposterous presence - just haven't quite worked out how. will think on it.

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  156. Evening all

    It's humble and subserviant PBJ just dropping by to say Hi to all you White folks.And to further satisfy my need for approval by playing you all a track from Kirk Whalum called We're Still Friends

    :-)

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  157. Paul

    bitey's on a mission today - he obviously has no friends and nothing better to do so we're getting the pleasure. Hey ho...gird your loins...

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  158. Boudican -

    I only left it for information really, and to support Turminder's comment making the same point; I think I can quite easily avoid talking to BTH, but not commenting about his spite is another thing entirely...

    MsChin: was thinking about the Protection from Harassment Act earlier. Also wondered about Section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1998.

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  159. sheff

    I think you've hit on a damn fine idea there, my friend. Would solve our pension problem - we'll die laughing!

    Paul - LOL.

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  160. Hi Sheff, we could get Spielberg to write that script. May be his freakiest one yet.

    Paul the Humble--Hi dude, nice tune that.

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  161. 13thDukeofWybourne

    Secondly, you've done it now. Expect your past posting history to be rifled through, distorted, taken out of context and used against you in a frankly weird manner.

    No she hasn't as I only ever respond to attacks with attacks and so far Meerkatjie has refrained from that.

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  162. shaz

    Maybe. But harassment law has the distinct advantage of being subject to criminal and/or civil proceedings. OTH, disability related harassment by association might be a nice test case for someone, given that The Graun may be liable as well.

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  163. I think I'm going to go back to bed.

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  164. Well, well, well. I look in here for the first time in many months, and I get a distinct feeling of deja vu.

    Bitey, you are without doubt one of the most self-righteous, self-centred and self-deluded whiney bastards ever to comment on this or any other blog.

    But at least you're consistent...

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  165. jennifera30

    You claim to be of independent means, employ a professional to get to the roots of whatever your problem is, get some help.

    So many people here worried about my mental health - it would be really quite touching were it not for the fact that from the posts I read here, some of you display real signs of fragility in that department.

    My only real problems relate to taking time out of my thoroughly enjoyable life to get my clients into world class western universities. But with my research skills and professionalism even that can be quite enjoyable and rewarding.

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  166. Great to see you Andy - back in London now?

    Hope you don't get fed up with UT now your here again. You seemed to be a bit pissed off when you were last briefly here.

    Pace (number of posters etc) is a bit quicker these days and lots of folk don't have the time or indeed inclination to read UT as a continuous thread but it's still a great thread IMHO

    regards

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  167. "... time out of my thoroughly enjoyable life to get my clients into world class western universities. But with my research skills and professionalism even that can be quite enjoyable and rewarding...."

    ..beats me why such a stellar being would waste himself on reading pathetic unrepentant tramps writing from a field in Yorkshire.... as the saying goes no accounting for taste

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  168. shazthewombat

    My hope is that this vile stalker will someday enjoy the same treatment as he has inflicted on others; although it would possibly have little effect on someone so deficient in humanity.

    Don't you read the posts on here?

    Have a look at Spike's post at 12:54.

    Aren't you a primary school teacher? How would you react if someone posted things like that about you?

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  169. Today on The Cuntrusted we feature Bitethehand as Cunt of the Day. Runner up Cunt is Peter Brackunt.

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  170. Good morning, Montana.

    And good evening, andysays.

    Nice to see you both.

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  171. Sheff

    The problem with the word 'stalks' in relation to bitey, is that it suggests he walks upright, whereas what he actually does is slither and slime about the place.

    Brilliant!

    Spike

    It's a unpaid focus group, but there will be Bordeaux and cheese and they'll all get a little red star badge at the end.

    Bordeaux and cheese? I'm in!

    Hiya Andy!

    Fuck off, Bitey. (I have that on a speed-key now.)

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  172. "I post regularly on CiF on a number of issues and have done since June 2006 and I like the views of some of CiF's ATL writers who many posters don't. Because of this I have attracted a lot of opposition and that is fine"

    No real argument from me other than to point out the 'opposition' you attract is not, in the main, a result of your strange opinions...it stems at least as much from your sanctimonious style and fuckin all-round creepy weirdness. You're obviously quite a one for the archives and some of your posts do represent an unassailable factual chronology of real events; but as history, they fall well short since you consistently fail to evoke any impression of 'motive', atmosphere....the contemporary 'Zeitgeist'.

    You miss out the rather salient point that for some time now, prior to the events you continually bitch on about in fact, you have been a figure of abject ridicule; stemming from your continuous posting of half-baked bollocks and self-satisfied revelations of the seedy, underhand, freakish lengths you will go to stalk your 'opponents'. You lost this contest some months ago...why can't you understand that?

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  173. "...Fuck off, Bitey. (I have that on a speed-key now.)...."

    Loved it thaum

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  174. *cough*

    Just finished a game of Scrabble. Not one, not two, but three seven-letter words! Am basking in the glory. ;-)

    (Actually fucking lucky.)

    (The mister is shirty because apparently one more letter found in the bag after game over. Which would have been his, and would only have added to my score had he found it.)

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  175. monkeyfish

    Amongst other ridiculous aspersions cast, I have great difficulty with this particular utterance, bearing in mind that it relates to a child who has nothing whatever to do with anyone, outside his own family, who is posting here or on CIF:

    "We have no proof about whether he suffers from the mythical mild aspergers you tell us about on CiF and The Untrusted".

    Why on the great goddess' green earth would I or anyone else need proof?

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  176. Ally said...

    Oh hello.

    I only dropped by to find an appropriate place to point out that Bracken is an unmitigated cunt and shout "FUCK OFF BRACKEN YOU SHITDRIBBLING WANKER" in a futile and gratuitous attempt to make myself feel better.

    Now it turns out I cannot leave without adding the observation that Bitey is an unmitigated cunt, and taking the opportunity to shout "FUCK OFF BITEY YOU SHITDRIBBLING WANKER" in a futile and gratuitous attempt to make myself feel better.


    Choice.

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  177. Peter, you do spout a lot of very objectionable shite, but you are not on the Bitey stalker level, to be fair.

    Your comment to RedMiner was still way out of line.

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  178. Deano30

    You have always been allowed to post here Bitey (save the episode with Scherf). It's been said to you lots of times - at least we all have a shared passion for as little moderation as is humanly possible, albeit sometimes the shit and the fan collide.

    But I really am not interested in this place or its residents. I was quite happy locking horns on CiF, but people here went running to the mods and still do, so whenever I'm at a bit of a loose end and not at the mercy of state censors, you might just be graced with my presence.

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  179. Personal revelations coming up - please feel free to scroll on by.....

    Have just been by informed by No 1 son that I've been volunteered to take my ex old man (his father) to hospital tomorrow morning. Years of cramming his feet into rock climbing shoes have given him a bunyon the colour and size of a large tomato - they are going to slice it off I gather.

    Must pick him up after the op when he will be crippled with pain and on crutches. I left the old bugger 20 odd years ago, as living with a serial philanderer (however charming and he was - very) is a tad stressful, but here I am still looking after him. fuck fuck fuckity fuck!

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  180. Oh dear, sheff. Above and beyond the call of duty, I'd say.

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  181. Peterb

    i posted a longer version of this earlier but it got lost somewhere.

    Re compensation being regarded as capital and consequently being used to minimise people's benefits.

    this happened with the miners' compensation too - the agreed sum ws paid in full to the men - if payment could be delayed until he died his widow recd. only half the agreed sum. Both the men and their widows lost benefit as they were now regarded as having 'capital'

    Now my point - bearing in mind that compensation paid for loss or injury is based upon the acceptance of responsibility - in full or as a contributor to that injury - do we regard the sum paid as 'capital' as we usually understand it or is it in fact a 'benefit' as defined within Social Security legislation ?

    to cut or withfraw benefit is very much giving with one hand while taking with the other. the dead soldier you were discussing paid his contributions as did his family.

    There is moral and legislative confusion here.

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  182. Sheff - best of luck. :-(

    Sounds like you've had the grace to rise above the situation and get on, more or less, with him over the years; well done.

    Try not to step on his feet. (This last courtesy of the mister.)

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  183. bitey
    but people here went running to the mods and still do

    What a totally miserable excuse for an excuse. Run to the cif mods about you? You have to be joking! Please feel free to get tae fuck.

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  184. Oh dear indeed. It's amazing how some people have that talent for helplessness that positions us to always come to their aid.

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  185. Hello monkeyfish, still beating that wife of yours?

    Or was that just another piece of bravado?

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  186. thaum

    Try not to step on his feet

    heh..heh...Tascia don't tempt me! Actually am still quite fond of the old bugger (a real class warrior in his own eccentric way) and we do get on - especially now we don't have to live together. Its just the family assumes, presumably because we're not enemies and periodically do stuff together, that we'll be obliging when it comes to the old fart stuff.

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  187. Leni - nothing in spam bin, so don't know what happened to your earlier post.

    Bitey - really, no-one cares. I for one don't bother reporting you to the mods and I doubt anyone else does either. They do as they see fit.

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  188. Come on Peter - you dish it out - you can take it.

    Oh and fuck off bitey....

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  189. You'd think someone would've realised by now that there are no straws left to clutch at ...

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  190. Guys, Some funny quotes you can have printed on Tee shirts here. I challenge any one to try wearing one and see how long it takes to get a punch in the face! These are just simple one-liners, nothing too heavy for today.




    Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go

    I think , Therefore we have nothing in common

    I'm not fluent in IDIOT, So please speak slowly and clearly

    I've lowered my expectations to the point where they've already been met

    If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong

    Every One Has The Right To Be Stupid But You're Abusing the Privilege

    Don't blame yourself. Let me do it

    If I got smart with you how would you know?

    The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.

    Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand

    If things get any worse, I'll have to ask you to stop helping me.

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  191. You have always been allowed to post here Bitey (save the episode with Scherf).

    Hi deano, I'm getting a bit tired of your repeated references to my deleting a few of bitey's posts here. Yes, I did delete some of his offensive posts a long time ago, and was happy to do so and I stand by it, and was supported by montana in my actions btw, but if I'm not much mistaken, montana did the same, and I believe also some other people with admin rights might have done so occasionally? I know this might fuel bitey's paranoia, but I'm fucked if I'm going to listen to you pontificate about the sanctity and freedom of UT by constantly apologising for me deleting a couple of despicable obscenities. Bitey's recent post here about about me was that I was a 'professional censor'????? What the fuck does that mean? I no longer read or post here much, and when I do, very few people engage with me.

    So do me a favour, and leave me out of your righteous bullshit about this blog. If you had any sense, you wouldn't bother replying to bitey at all because he's a 100% wackjob, but if you choose to do so, do it on your own terms, and please don't use me as some sort of 'exception that proves the rule'. Thanks. Hope you're well.

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  192. Good evening andysays

    I see the South West Coastal Path has done nothing to improve your manners but I hope the NT has been looking after you.

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  193. Leni

    The compensation once paid over becomes capital/savings for the recipient its effect on the the particular benefit then may depends on whether or not the benefit in question is a means tested one.

    System is full of anomalies.

    For example me mate got IB and an occupational pension but the rules about that changed about April 2001.

    Anybody claiming after that date got IB reduced
    if pension was above a certain figure. The IB benefit thus changed from being an entitlement solely based on NI contribution to a contribution/means tested benefit....

    The same sort of problems may have affected those getting the Miners compensation. I don't know much about that scheme except that some fucking lawyers creamed millions from the available funds

    They didn't apply the rules to old claimants before 2001 cos of legal principle of hostility to retrospective effect.

    The super rich guard the legal hostility to retro effect 'cos they don't want to be caught out with taxes that have retrospective effect.....

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  194. Hello scherf.

    How you doing?

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