01 November 2010

01/11/10


We should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe. 
-Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

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  23. I see some dickhead has been amusing themselves this morning....

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  24. Finally....

    What a strange existence you must lead, Ducky, getting up at half 7 to quack endlessly on a blog. Simple pleasures eh...

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  25. More of a duckhead don't you think?

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  26. LaRit and Annetan both up too, morning all. Yes the duck is endlessly hilarious. As soon as i can find a suitable blog i'm going to give this quacking business a go, looks damn good fun.

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  31. Jay n Ann:

    Looks like they're at it again.....not very imaginative eh?

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  34. BB,

    from yesterday.

    The EDL march was a damp squib. About 50 EDL marchers turned up. There was a huge police presence and yes, Ajax fans turned up to 'have a go' at the EDL. The front page of the main Ajax supporters website AFCA.nl posted the march and asked supporters to turn up to protest against the EDL 'Niet in ons Stad' ('Not in our city').

    There was 34 arrests, most of them anti-Wilders protesters clashing with the police. Five of those arrested were EDL.

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  35. Here's a translation of the message posted on AFCA.nl regarding the EDL:

    “Because we do not tolerate racism and fascism in our city, as in the past already has been expressed on our site, we call each AJAX-supporter with some balls on to next Saturday show that we do not agree with this demonstration. Gather at 13:00 at the station Sloterdijk and form there the trip will be made towards Gerneratorweg.

    Note: no violence against police and/or ME (mobile unit; riot police), we only plead for our city, and in this case do not tolerate the EDL in our city!


    Fair play to the Ajax supporters.

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  36. Mornin' JayR:

    Up earlier because the clocks have gone back! In my mind it's really 09:30......

    Mornin' Duke:

    Glad to hear the EDL march was a damp squib ;)

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  39. What a stupid little child it is.

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  40. Mornin all, The cat had shut itself in an un used bedroom and gone to sleep. Phew, he didn't reveal his presence until I'd trawled thru the gardens, clambered thru two hedges and walked round the road looking for his corpse. Just glad the aged blighter's ok. Housework & garden today, the powers that be want a bonfire built for friday, that shall be my task today. Here's hoping the wild ducks fly south... L8rs : )

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  41. Busy on the pond this morning.

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  42. Ooh can anyone play?

    Coin Coin Coin Coin Coin Coin Coin Coin Coin

    I'm a French duck!

    It's enough to give one anatidaephobia!

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  43. morning all. am guessing ce canard crois qu'il est 'kin' hard. but can duck off, clearly.

    bank hol today, no work! am off with the oisette to look at museums, then to try to engage her with the dvd of Smiley's People I bought last week. so, see you later, keep kicking against the quacks.

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  44. Turm - glad to hear the cat's OK!

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  45. Ducky,

    Let me guess, you're trying to get blocked/banned so you can prove a point about censorship?

    Well aren't you a big, clever anatid? Have some stale bread and a pat on the beak!

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  46. I think he's foie gras'ed his own brain.

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  47. Dot

    On the money there I think. But not got the brains or the balls to argue his case. I've got two of my youngest grandchildren round here this morning aged 18 months and three - in comparison with ducky's contributions conversation with them is an intellectual feast.

    I challenge the duck to a proper conversation - don't fancy it? No thought not.

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  48. Yes, always a shame to see someone reach their intellectual peak and plateau at the same time and then remain forever looped in their one small glory.

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  49. Sheff,

    Yep, reading the duck's posts I had a sudden moment of clairvoyance:

    Some days, weeks, months or years hence, a conversation somewhere on t'internet..........

    UTer: The UT is an uncensored blog, we let the idiocy stand so it can be rightly ridiculed

    Duck, masquerading as someone else: But ah, on 01/11/10 you banned someone!

    This is where we can go into two alternative versions, let's call them "ducks fantasy" and "reality". Ducks fantasy:

    UTer: Ah of course, my whole life is a sham, all hail the mighty duck, for he is wise, and by p*ssing about on t'internet has conquered the world!

    reality

    UTer: Ok, technically we had to ban that one retard canard who insisted on doing nothing but posting "Quack" a gazillion times because he thought it was big and clever!

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  50. G'day all, and the quacky interloper.

    Beginning of La Trêve Hivernale today. For four and a half winter months you can't be expelled from your accomodation for unpaid rent. It's been law since 1991.

    The last goood weather for a week, according to the meteo, so off out!

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  51. Morning all

    I think our guest is either engaging in a bit of online gestalt therapy or is simply just plain cwackers.Good to see you back anne;-)

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  52. Beginning of La Trêve Hivernale today. For four and a half winter months you can't be expelled from your accomodation for unpaid rent. It's been law since 1991.

    I didn't know that frog, how remarkably civilised. Can you imagine what the Daily Heil et al would make of that if someone suggested doing similar here?

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  53. Morning all,


    Dott- I was just thinking the same thing as your 11.03, except less, erm, funnilyer!!

    Alternatively, we could leave him be, then agree to 'monetise' the UT for the duration of his 'stay', and then every single quack, duck etc, would be directly contributing to a UT fund, to be used for whatever we decide.

    Whoever it is may not have made much of an impact, intellectually, but there's no reason we couldn't harness his considerable skills to, say, pay for the next UT get together....??

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  54. I'm going to accuse the Duckhead of being Bitey, just so Bitey can get his count of UT baseless slurs upon him up to 401.

    I'd be fascinated if Duckhead/Bitey/Job would come on here to explain his cataloguing/cross referencing system for exhuming comments and counting grievances.

    Alas, BB has convinced him that she is the lead prosecutor in an Albanian mafia case, so he is currently prowling the High Court in Tirana, sleuthfully following the faint whiff of gin. So far he's tracked down Shane McGowan and a drinks cabinet.

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  55. RapidEddie

    I was bitten by a duck once, on the hand, therefore, QED, bitey must be ducky!

    (402!)

    James, what do you suggest charging? 10p a duck? 30p on it's way for this post...

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  56. Front page of groan

    Council plans 'big society' reward points

    For critics of David Cameron's "big society" vision it has been an obvious question: what would make hordes of previously inactive citizens leap to their feet to volunteer to fish trolleys from canals or look after elderly neighbours?

    Now one local authority believes it has the answer: "big society reward points" redeemable in supermarkets, high street shops and restaurants in return for good deeds.

    Windsor and Maidenhead council hopes to join forces with a commercial rewards scheme such as Nectar – whose points can be redeemed in Sainsbury's, Homebase and Argos among others – or RecycleBank, whose vouchers can be spent in outlets including Marks & Spencer and McDonald's.

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  57. Grand day in the garden here, pruned tthe damson tree anl lopped 2/3rds opff the wisteria, the bonfire grows apace.

    Just hope ducky is prepared for the bill...

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  58. What a country... you'd better keep your mouth shut if you're ever on a plane that has deportees on it.....

    Witnesses 'thrown off plane' during deportation flight

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  59. Dott,

    I'm sure there's some sort of algorithm/psychological profiler that would enable us to target advertising in their direction.

    Maybe personal dating services, 'specialist' magazines, for example, or, given the devious and cunning nature of his 'master plan', maybe we could fill the UT with all those ACME products so beloved by any cartoon villain worth his salt...??

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  60. @Sheff:

    …"big society reward points" redeemable in supermarkets, high street shops and restaurants in return for good deeds…

    They've got that a bit arse-about-face, to be honest. It’s not that people don’t want to help, I reckon (at least in my experience), or necessarily want material rewards for helping – it’s just that they don’t know how to.

    It's a sad fact that for the majority, “The Man” needs to provide the “framework” for the rest of the concerned and well-meaning citizenry to hang its good intentions on.

    Funnily enough for an avowed atheist like me, I’ve got to say the local churches round us fulfil part of that role, asking for volunteers to help with their activities etc. Take up is good, at least according to my churchgoer of a wife, who’s the volunteering type anyway...

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  61. There's a report today in the Dutch chip wrappers about passengers aboard a luxury cruise liner complaining that the ship was an hour and a half late to port, arriving late in Florida after rescuing two American fisherman.

    The cruise liner Eurodam was off the Bahamas when it received an SOS call from a sinking fishing boat. The ship arrived late in Florida after saving the two fishermen resulting in a number of passengers complaining that they had missed their onward flights.

    Words fail me.

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  62. People may or may not be surprised to hear that according to the London Evening Standard it is working as opposed to non working families who will bear the brunt of the ConDem cuts.So much for low income families being better off in work then!

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  63. Swifty

    You're right about local churches, quakers and the like - the organisation I've been involved with that helps destitute asylum seekers was set up through them - not that any of them ever pushed a religious agenda.

    The idea that behaving decently in your community may now turn into yet another arm of the corpocracy is horrible though.

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  64. Afternoon all

    Hanging about at work with nowt to do and catching up on Mr Quackers!

    Sheff - that link to the students chucked off the flight: disgusting but not surprising. Criminalise dissent and they get to do what they want with impunity.

    And yes, Dmisthesaddestkey did a brilliant analysis of how the cuts in HB in particular will affect working families, Paul - it is one of the 1,2,3 comments on CiF (although it might have changed by now). Worth a look (and worth clipping too).

    All you Europeans with your day's holiday today - jammy buggers.

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  65. Your Grace - good to hear the EDL thingy was a washout. I saw one banner proclaiming "EDL go to hell, take Wilders down with you aswell" which I thought was quite natty.

    Hank from last night - give over, will ya? You can call me a bourgeouis liberal Islingtonian all you like, it won't make any bleedin' difference to me. I'll still love you anyway. x

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  66. Sheff and Swifty

    "The idea that behaving decently in your community may now turn into yet another arm of the corpocracy is horrible though. "


    *shudders*

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  67. turminder/James LOL!

    Sheff,

    Don't worry, if they're piloting it in RBWM it'll die a death: the people there wouldn't lift a finger to save their own grandmothers from the ravenous bugblatter beast of traal, without orders signed in triplicate, sent, sent back, buried in soft peat for nine months and recycled as firelighters....

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  68. @Sheff/BB:

    The churches provide the “framework” in this instance – and in a way I liken it to the much-vaunted “entrepeneurial spirit” so beloved of our right-wing cousins, though not in the sense they’d probably understand it – rather, it seems to me a fact that some people are just “doers” – whether that’s rounding up the neighbours to clear up the litter in the neighbourhood and take it to the tip, or give the old lady on her own a lift to the shops if she needs it, or the harrassed, car-less mother a lift to swimming with the kids, “no problem, we were going anyway”… it’s more about being aware of other people’s needs, I reckon, and just cracking on and doing something about it.

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  69. Heh! :)

    "Daft as a brush but very, very ravenous!"

    Made I larf, Dot

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  70. Day off.....absolutely peeing down.......

    James
    what's it like to have a woman socialist (?) President?
    and the duck/quack points have already earned enough air miles for the european contingent....for your's, montana's and boudican's sake hope it keeps quacking........

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  71. Gandolfo,

    Well, I'm going to wait a little while before I pass judgement on the whole socialist thing, to be honest!
    Hopefully though, it will end up being a fairly good result, all things considered.

    (The gender thing's sort of interesting, given the excessive machismo here, but I'm not sure it's going to change much....)

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  72. The quacks are beginning to show.

    @Sheff
    That's a f@ckin horrible story. Disgraceful how the airport security people behaved after they were expelled.

    On a lighter note - remember Gwyneth Dunwoody ? She recalled in an interview flying British Airways back from South Africa once, after appartheid. She was flying economy, and had a black SA couple sitting near her. A white Afrikaan woman climbed aboard and saw that her seat was going to be next to the couple, and immediately created a big scene, telling staff she could not - and would not - sit there, next to 'those people'. She said "I know you can do an upgrade, you have spare seats I want it sorted it out now, and I'm not paying a penny more." Couple of minutes later the stewardess came back, and said to the couple - "It appears we have some spare seats in First Class. Would you like to come through ?"

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  73. ""It appears we have some spare seats in First Class. Would you like to come through ?" "

    Brilliant.

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  74. Brilliant BW, I've loved BA cabin crew ever since watching (as a small child) one putting a very drunk Jamaican back in his place on a flight back from said country. I was perched on the side in the galley at the time, being fed various complimentary snacks by the aforementioned attendant.

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  75. Lovely story bitters - has quite cheered me up.

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  76. Good one innit ? I quite liked Dunwoodie.

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  77. Bitterweed

    'Quacking' story sir ! Also agree with you about Gwyneth Dunwoody.Was highly respected in her own right without so much of a whiff of positive discrimination .Apparently she once slapped Hattie Harperson down by accusing her of being someone who feels she's born to rule.

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  78. That's an ace story, BW!

    And Dot - I can remember a long haul flight on BA when my lad was about 5 where he was virtually kidnapped by the crew and spoilt rotten the whole time. For all that he could be a right little blighter at home, he was always charming and well behaved around non-family adults, and it always paid dividends for him. Cute and polite goes a long way...

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  79. Cute and polite goes a long way...

    Yes, I rely on very little else...

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  80. "Cute and polite goes a long way... "

    Shame I've lost one of those since then........

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  81. hehe. So much for Public Holidays, I'm just back from a coupla hours industrial brushcutting, lovely day still. The Jackstraw thread must be well hidden away,only crept up to 53 (non-evaporated) comments . Last,very pissed-off, comment ...

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  82. Dave

    Thanks for the link because I have been trying to find that bleedin' thread since I got back to the office.

    Cute and polite - I've lost both now! :(

    Mind you, I quite enjoy being a trainee grumpy old woman...

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  83. Good post by flatpackhamster about Luxembourg on that one AB.

    "Luxembourg, a member of the EU, is a popular tax haven, particularly amongst the elites who run the EU. That it's allowed to go on operating as such whilst within the confines of the 'common market' is a travesty.

    I don't blame Vodafone for this. They're using the tax structure created by our rulers. I blame the EU, the grafting Commissioners and Eurocrats, for allowing the richest country in the EU to continue making itself wealthy at other nations' expense."

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  84. I quite enjoy being a trainee grumpy old woman...

    I'm almost fully fledged as a cantankerous old bag - it's great and amazing what you can get away with.

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  85. BB 15.08PM - funny how some threads get sorta Lost, innit ! 53 for a Jackstraw must be a record low even counting the late start ...

    (I zap from my 'comments'-- saves searching-time)

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  86. Number 53 was -

    "My final post (probably), not deleted (yet):

    kwhitefoot 1 November 2010 1:45PM

    Alright, I know when I'm beaten, or at least when I can't be bothered to keep on arguing. If anyone wants to see some of the deleted posts take a look at here

    And if anyone can explain why these posts were deleted, especially anyone with real knowledge, I would love to know.

    This will probably be my last post to Cif as I no longer trust the system; if it is deleting my posts then, as I do not believe I am especially unusual, I can only assume that they delete others, this must inevitably distort the discussion.

    I resisted making the MiniTrue comment but NotProperty made it for me,
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  87. Bitterweed

    No, you cannot entirely blame companies for minimising their tax bills, so some of the blame has to fall on legislators and, as with the Swiss banks and the £40 billion avoidance scam recently, the fact that they tend only to do what the money-men tell them - or what they know will not be met with disapproval in those quarters.

    Of course, the fact that money is universally worshipped and taken as the, er, gold standard in determining worth, along with the fact that we will all soon see that corporate enterprise is the only pursuit with any value and we will all soon think it perfectly natural to see Oxfam style disaster adverts on television to which we will feel morally obliged to respond.

    "Vodafone is facing a crisis and we appeal to you for help. If they have to pay the disastrous tax bill levied by an unscrupulous government, it will be a humanitarian disaster. The Swiss bank accounts of the directors could easily run dry without your immediate help. Dozens of lives could be imperceptibly affected.

    "We need you to send whatever money you do not have, even if that means selling your valuables or going without food or maxing your credit card.

    "Give now to ensure that the rich never have to suffer the hardships of the stupid, greedy poor wreckers who brought global economic meltdown and misery to everyone on earth.

    "Just because they want a roof over their heads and enough money to feed their children should not mean that even one member of the idle rich should have to pay a penny of tax.

    "So, pay up now, even if you and your children and their children have to go without.

    "The rich deserve so much more than you.

    "You owe it to them."

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  88. hmm did get spamfoldered there ... commeny 53 on straw modded ...

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  89. Dozens of lives could be imperceptibly affected. heh..heh.. AB

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  90. enough mirth ! it's not raining, outside !

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  91. AB
    I was quoting there, but sypathise - my concerns with the EU lie in its capacity to celbtrate greed, facilitate rampant free market economics and then do so with such spectacular self-righteous condescension - and their media accuse dissenters of zenophobia.



    Check this arrant shamelessness:

    Former EU Commissioners still paid years after leaving There are 27 European Commissioners, with Jose Manuel Barroso currently at the helm Former European Union commissioners are still being paid thousands of euros a month by the EU up to three years after leaving, it has been revealed...

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  92. Bitterweed

    Yeah, I know. Sorry if it came out wrong.

    I was interrupted and actually lost the line of thought I wanted to use, so just lashed something together.

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  93. Atomboy
    I do that all the.. what the fuck was that ???

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  94. Thaumaturge, look away now...

    @BW:

    Been playing a computer game these past few days, Fallout New Vegas, and this song by the Roues Brothers crops up in it... really caught my ear.

    My first guess was Dale Watson in one of his more contemplative moments, before I googled it, but interested to hear what you think...

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  95. Cheers SB !
    Will check tomorrow - can't do sound at work and I'm out all evening.

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  96. @BW:

    On first hearing, you’d swear it was some earthy “Buck Owens/Hank Williams Uncut” recording from the 50s… they really have that Bakersfield sound down.

    Top stuff.

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  97. Hi there guys, I won't say how I came to be browsing 'The Scum' website but there is a scrounger article
    here

    Now a quick read seems to confirm the state that they are better off on benefits than working. Just wondering how you counteract this kind of 'news'. We could say for example that it is not benefits that are too high but jobs that pay so little that people cannot survive on that pay.

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  98. Sounds terrifying, Swifty, thanks for the warning.

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  99. IanG - dud link. Here --- Scrounger ‘cons’ BBC Viewers .

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  100. Cheers Dave, what I need is someone like Richard from Lenin's Tomb to deconstruct that piece but he is busy right now.

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  101. All right, m'lovelies, it is time to be making plans for this weekend's piss-up in Leamington Spa. The general idea is to start on Saturday and continue on to Bitterweed's gig on Sunday.

    For accommodation, I suggest googling B&B's in Leamington; there are a load of them down (I think - will try to verify) Avenue Road that should be in fairly easy walkable distance from the train station, the gig and any pub I might choose; this last is still under consideration as I'm trying to find one that will be showing the rugby Tests!

    Bitterweed and Hank may be able to provide references for the one(s) they stayed in before.

    Bitterweed's gig details. It's an all-day/evening event (doors 3 pm), but get there early or you will miss our hero. Tickets 20 squid and can be ordered on line.

    Who's in?

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  102. Thauma

    would love to but am completely broke can't afford the fare, bandb and £20 squid...at the mo sad ol'life..

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  103. so scum blacklegs are running over strikers on picket lines.......Fire station manager arrested after car ploughs into striking firefighters talk about running a service down....

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  104. JEN - oi - you taking my spare room, or not?

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  105. Should probably have put a smiley after that ... ;-)

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  107. BWs gig is this sunday? Wherebouts?

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  108. The home secretary, Theresa May, imposed an immediate ban on large ink toner cartridges in hand luggage
    thank gawd at least I can sleep soundly in my bed tonight

    (is it me or are they on crack or sommat...)

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  109. Better not Thauma, I am firmly on the wagon after making myself pretty ill recently and self control and me are not the best of friends in normal circumstances.

    I have an exciting week, and longer, of home improvement planned, stopping every hour or so to beat myself with twigs.

    I really appreciate the offer and hope to, one day, be sensible enough to be trusted in decent company. ;)

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  110. Home improvement and flagellation ?

    Jen - never quite made it to that level... yet. Now i'm down to 1 hour diy, 2 hour tea break (sorry contemplation of the next move).

    Maybe a good book title though !. I think you may be onto something there !

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  111. No disrespect to Bitters, but it'd have to be one hell of a gig to justify me making the trip!!
    Although I would really like to....

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  112. I'm in! Ticket reserved. Dunno whether I will be up for both Sat and Sun or whether I will come up there Sunday morn and go back Sunday evening. Much depends on just how knackered I am Saturday.

    Looking forward to it though - trying to persuade my little one to come too seeing as his Dad has stood me up.

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  113. Tell him he'll be seeing a master in action...

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  114. True, dat, Montana.

    But he is so shy around people he doesn't know. A combination of being "that age" and also the aspie thing. I will work on a "narrative" that might persuade him.

    Plus... geeetarrrz! A veritable geek-fest for him.

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  115. Would love to make that gig. Does "Bitters" group do a cover of "Money's To Tight To Mention"? 'Coz that's the situation chez the Chekhov household right now.
    I got some right earache for squandering our petty resources on the jaunt to London so I'm guessing I might have to pass on the Leamington gig.
    Summat might turn up in the meantime but it's not looking good tbh.

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  116. Another BTW: re the terrorist threat; at the risk of repeating myself, I've got more chance of winning the lottery than being blown up by a terrorist.

    The really scarey people are the "enemy within".
    The fuckwits in Westminster are much more frightening than a suicide bomber with a crush on Allah!

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  117. Did anyone see Theresa May's speech in the House of Commons today? Re-wind it and watch David Cameron's body language and tell me what you saw.

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