30 October 2009

Daily Chat 30/10/09

Guangzhou was sacked by Arab and Persian pirates in 758.  Prince Wilhelm of Denmark became George I, King of the Hellenes, in 1863.  Orson Welles's radio broadcast of H.G. Wells's War of the Worlds created panic in several locations across the United States in 1938, as listeners thought they were hearing a real news broadcast.  Jackie Robinson, of the Negro League's Kansas City Monarchs, signed a contract to play with the Brooklyn Dodgers, becoming the first black player in American Major League baseball, in 1945.

Born today:  John Adams (1735-1826), Richard Sheridan (1751-1816), Fyodor Dostoevsky (1821-1881), Alfred Sisley (1839-1899), Ezra Pound (1885-1972), Anna Wing (1919), Louis Malle (1932-1995), Grace Slick (1939), Henry Winkler (1945), Diego Maradona (1960) and Gavin Rossdale (1967).

It is the feast day of St. Serapion of Antioch.


  1. Yeah, I'm always a bit reluctant about including American celebrities on the birthday list, because I'm unsure of whether or not they're known outside the US. Until a few weeks ago, I would have never thought Bob Ross was known outside the US, even though he was a bit of a legend here. However, watching an episode of Peep Show on YouTube, I saw that David Mitchell's character was watching Bob Ross on tv, so I thought perhaps the Bob Ross phenomenon had gone global.

    Bob was brilliant. No, his paintings weren't high culture. They were twee and formulaic. One didn't watch Bob for great art, one watched Bob as a meditation. He spoke in gentle, reassuring tones. He led you to believe that all was well in the world -- a world of happy trees and serene mountain lakes.

    Here is Bob on clouds.

  2. I like Bob, he looks like he grew up on an Ashram near San Francisco. But Rolf pisses on him. Sorry.

  3. Jesus that Lola Adesioye piece is bad, and it seems to have attracted half the worlds arse-wits.

  4. chagall on the MacShane thread:

    I understand that, prior to his involvement with the NOP, Kaminski was deeply involved with 'Esso' and personally responsible for their tractor production statistics. Unfortunately, I have no internet links which might support this claim. But it's true.


  5. heh heh. Sady Doyle is raking over the dying embers of 'hoop-gate', with signally less skill that Hadley F. I lost me temper a bit last night but am now trying to steer things round to a real debate. Think it might be a bit late, though. Ah well...

  6. Deano/Scherfig - have just finished reading yesterday's thread (got distracted suddenly last night). Will have a look at the book, thanks, scherf. Deano, while I have never seen a mare being 'covered', I've watched my friends' stallion being 'collected' for artificial insemination. Quite a sight, and yes, some manual intervention is required.

    Oh, and stallions wank.

    I wonder if mares have hymens?

  7. Hank

    Regarding Blairs rejection, my thoughts exactly - Only Berlusconi supports him. Really does sum up the sort of man Blair is to a T.

  8. "stallions wank." ??

    Dude... you don't mean WILD STALLIONS ???? They're cool !!!

    Berslusconi - indeed. I actually cheered when they announced at 7.15 on R4 this morning that Blair's EU star was waning - how sad is that ??
    In reality, it's only Sarko and Meerkat throwing their nasty right-wing shit into the mix, as if Blair is "left wing" ffs...

  9. BW - its funny isnt it, our "left wing" Blair is considerably more right wing than the European right.

  10. "Ghost hunting at Bolebroke castle
    Video (5min 46sec): Tanya Gold searches for signs of the supernatural and argues with a misogynist ghost"

    Oh my good god. I havent watched this yet, im not sure if i can take it...

  11. On the Jackson thread, deleted already

    30 Oct 09, 1:02pm

    "He wanted to be cremated then sprinkled on a bowl of Cocoa Puffs, just so he could pass through a 9 year olds bum one final time."

  12. Far be it from me to make cheap jokes about the talented Tanya, but if that guy Marc was a 'medium', does that make Tanya an extra-large?

  13. scherfig you are no gentleman. I thought it was quite funny, especially the bit where Tanya missed some action because she was eating crisps. Yes, we've all heard that one before.

    And why are mediums always so, erm, not conformist to everyday standards of physical attraction?

  14. "Sarko and Meerkat" ... "Meerkat", is that the nickname for Angie?

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  16. If they had to knight Christopher Lee this time of year, they bloody well could have waited for Halloween to do so.

    Guess they were too scared that he might really transform into a vampire on that date ...

  17. deano,

    depends whether you are giving or taking. If it's taking you mean you must surely realise we've all been fucked by tories on a regular basis?

  18. Wybourne - I always knew I had a discomfort in my arse and I had kinda worked it out why.

    Plainly you have a rhetorical skill - one which I truthfully and honestly admire. Thus you will know that I choose to read you.

    But the fact that I enjoy what I read is entirely personal.

    Regards dear friend/comrade.

  19. EW
    "Merkel" = "meerkat" only in my tiny warped mind. Some sort of CiF infection.

    By god there are some tedious fuckers on CiF. they're everywhere, taking their sorry little asses so seriously about everything they read and post there. It's SHIT most of it. Fucking bunty letters page.


    Mongo need beer.

  20. God, I love the NHS. Been suffering with toothache on and off for the last couple of months and the pain this morning was excruciating. Got sent home from work because my wailing and moaning was distracting the other drones.

    Went to the dentist and they managed to fit me in after someone cancelled, spent half an hour in the chair while the lovely Ghanaian dentist removed a fractured filling and inserted a new one and now the pain's all gone.

    Is there any pleasure greater than the cessation of pain?

    Mind you, the injection's not worn off yet so am dribbling tea down my shirt, but while it lasts, it's fucking bliss.

  21. "Mind you, the injection's not worn off yet so am dribbling tea down my shirt, but while it lasts, it's fucking bliss."

    Good stuff Hank. Did you try beer first ?

  22. I'm not daft, BW. Tested the situation with tea first, no point wasting good beer.

    Talking of which, just picked up a can which someone had kindly thrown in my garden. Crest Lager, super strength, 10%. Ten per fucking cent!! I'm one of Stella's keenest suitors, but I'm looking at her vital stat of 5% and thinking that she's gonna be back on the shelf soon...

  23. 10% is fuck all. I've been on the wagon for a fortnight and have decided to see if I can genetically modify Buckfast with peyote cactus to faithfully imitate the fabled favoured drink of the Scottish/red indian founding fathers of Texas.

  24. Is there any pleasure greater than the cessation of pain?

    Some might say the start - bliss is a confusing experience. Had you asked me a decade ago if I be interested in Mary Archer I would have been confused.....

    Glad your tooths hurt no more. I still have access to NHS dental treatment. My girl dentist (about 40 yrs old with a presence across my chest that leads me to think I am disordered) is to be celebrated.

  25. That is an appallingly confused post from me above.

    Truth is I never put me hand up me Dentist's skirt - but I did ache to do so.

    If I carry on like this at four o'clock on a midwinter evening Montana may ask me to leave...

    I promise I will not bore the readers of UT until at least next Tuesday..


  26. "I've been on the wagon for a fortnight..."

    Jeez, sorry to hear that, mate. What's brought that on, agoraphobia? MrsBW found a straitjacket in your size?

    Thanks, deano. As for the Mary Archer thing, maybe a trip to the dentist everytime your thoughts turn to her would cure you of this strange affliction.

    @elementary - heheh, I'm guessing Christopher Lee's got other plans tomorrow...

  27. "What's brought that on, agoraphobia? MrsBW found a straitjacket in your size?"

    Hah, no, minor health scare, just waiting to see what the quack says next week...

    Mary Archer eh ? "Fragrant" Mrs Archer...

    In fragrante delicto more like you perv !

  28. In case you haven't seen it, a great post from ellis on the Gregor Gall Postal strike blog:

    as the number of jobs is reduced, workers are being forced to work harder and longer, leading to many working unpaid overtime.

    Which leads, uncontroversially I should think to more unemployment, lower wages, less demand, still more unemployment, still lower wages and even less demand.
    All those sad voices applauding this assault on Postal workers' living standards, and celebrating the shark like efficiency with which capitalism disposes of every scrap of its victim, are lucky that none of the businesses with which they are involved require British customers, or rely on dealing with retailers or wholesalers.

    There is something elemental in the ceremonial suicide of British society: what began with the bloody and brutal servants' hall revenge on the miners, quickly turned into the spiteful and sub-surgical removal of the industrial nose on the nation's face. And now the lowly service workers are being egged on to cut each others wages. And for what purpose? To whose benefit?

    What can possibly survive when all the wealth has been looted, all the people have been bullied into submission, half the population is unemployed and half of the remaining jobs are in one form or another of policing?
    The answer is: the remnants of a nation clinging to the barren mountain of debt, the last sign of communal life, as vulture funds pick over the scraps of value left in the historical rubbish dump.

    Those who applaud the attack on the Postal workers should understand that there is nothing in it for them: this is not being done to make Britain more 'efficient', competitive or prosperous. It is being done to show the world's workers that no jobs are permanent, no unions are respected and the only chance of domestic happiness is to obey without question and take what you're given.

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  30. That's a fine post, Dook. Ellis has always been one of the best BTLs on CiF, not seen him around much lately, glad he's back and on form.

    I've just been reading Cable's thread. There's a good post on there from PiginClover at 1.56am which spells out the impact of the recession from a personal perspective. I'd cut and paste it but haven't got word on this pc! Have a look though.

  31. Ellis is a cut above.

    Don't know where he gets the cunting patience.

  32. BW - Gregor Gall's blog about the posties' strike...Along the lines of the Comic Strip's Hollywood version of the miners' strike with Al Pacino as Scargill...

    Johnny Depp (complete with eyepatch) as Crozier
    Baron Silas Greenback as Murdoch
    Julian Clary as Mandelson
    Steve Martin as Berchie

  33. Where's monkeyfish btw? I know it's half-term but I'm sure he told me that he was selling his place in Gstaad because his carbon-footprint guilt had got the better of him.

  34. Nice - Julian Clary !

    MF ? He's wintering in his Black Sea dacha comrade...!

    See ya later hank - you about ?

  35. PS - Alan Johnson - is he on acid ??

  36. Depends how late, mate. I've fallen off my eighteen hour wagon already so certainly won't be sharing youtube-jockey duties with you at 3am (-;

  37. Hank,

    that is a great post. I remember a few months ago requesting on WDYWTTA that CiF needed to get some 'real' people on, talking about their experiences of this banker created recession.

    Pig in clover is a perfect example of the commissioning CiF could do if they really tried.

    Instead we get Sady Doyle raking over Obama's basketball game and Lola Adesioye producing a 6th form analysis of race.

  38. Instead we get Sady Doyle raking over Obama's basketball game and Lola Adesioye producing a 6th form analysis of race.

    Indeed. It's the smeggin' Bunty.

  39. Couldn't agree more, Dook. Thing is though that ordinary people, like piginclover, could write about their experiences and most people would simply read it, nod their heads and move on. There'd be a few arseholes who'd post to the effect that there must always be winners and losers, we all need to take personal responsibility etc.

    But overall the post count would probably be less than a hundred, and the page hits would suffer as a result.

    OTOH, post some batshit uber-pc piece by Sady and you generate lots of outraged responses.

    It's good for business.

    One of the many things which has always fucking bugged me about Cif is that it is provocative because that's what the business model demands, but when posters are duly provoked, their comments are deleted or their accounts banned.

    Jay's ban for calling Blair a cunt is the classic example.

  40. You're not far wrong, bitterweed. Here's a sneak preview of the Guardian's next hard-hitting editorial on sexual stereotyping. Check out the feisty feminist standing up to the patriarchy!

    Kids of the Big Top

  41. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, scherf, but is it just coincidence that the patriarchal male character is called "King"?

    Is the feisty feminist with a keen interest in horses Thauma? Did Bunty ever run a picture strip about how to help a stallion get "collected"?

  42. Good spot on the 'King' reference, Hank. First name 'Dermot' is obviously a little nod to Irish folk's perceived love of horses. (Plus he's the villain of the piece). That might be a wee bit of racial stereotyping - they might even be gypsies!

    I think thauma would be more likely to junk the music lessons and make the talented girly-boy ride his arse off every day, but we'll have to let thauma speak for herself on that.

    It's certainly an intriguing scenario, and I'm already thinking of Cif casting options for the upcoming movie - a gender neutral, non-offensive equine version of Billy Elliot.

  43. Dook

    Following on from my post above about how Cif actively provokes, I'm just reading Seth Freedman's blog about the assassination of Rabin.

    Geoffrey Alderman is bearing the standard for the right-wing Zionists, and has been roundly and rightly criticised for doing so.

    He has no interest in a solution in the Middle East unless it is on Zionist terms. He is a smallminded warmongering bigot.

    And yet he is regularly invited ATL to spew out his bile, not just on the ME, but also on social and economic matters in the UK.


    And why was Robert Kagan given airtime yesterday to push his neo-con agenda against Obama.

    Sad to see a paper with impeccable liberal credentials sell its soul to the gods of advertising and commerce.

  44. Hank, don't forget the splendid recent piece from Tory head office, sorry, Big Brother Watch.

  45. "Good spot on the King reference..."

    I've got an O level in dialectical semiotics, scherf.

    Right back at ya with the racial stereotyping pick. Just surprised Dermot wasn't driving a "tarmac your drive?" van, tbh.

  46. Henry Porter? The guy's an arse, scherf.

    He's liberal, but only with the facts.

  47. My favourite fictional female role model (never discussed in the Guardian I think) is still Worrals - and no giggling please at one of the titles here


    Johns made a point of Worrals being an equal with Biggles and the gang when they featured together, and of course there wre real-life counterparts - there were over 150 female spitfire pilots working on terrible schedules, and several of them died delivering planes.


  48. Hank, I agree about Porter but this was the piece I meant. Check out their website -it's Conservative Central.

  49. This Palestinian women's football is wonderful - why wasn't it covered over here I wonder?

  50. Ah right, just read it, scherf. It's a pile of hypocritical, self-serving dross, isn't it?

    We all know that the security services were spying on our democratically elected prime minister in the mid-70s, just as they were bugging the phones of union leaders then and during the 80s.

    The Right have no interest in political freedom, never have done. Their interest in liberty extends as far as the freedom for individuals to screw the weak and vulnerable as much as possible, and the right to hide the ill-gotten gains out of sight of the taxman.

    If the Tories promise to repeal anti-TU legislation, ie the right for workers to organise collectively in defence of their livelihoods, in the name of freedom, then I'll start listening.

    And I'll really prick up my ears when they start to unpick the legislation they pioneered, and which NL built on, which gives unaccountable powers to the police.

    Until then, fuck em.

  51. On the Waddya thread - DonnyOsman doesn't like Alderman either...

    @sheff - have you got Eurosport? It must have been on there. They'll show anything (-;

  52. Hank, you said it. It'll be a cold day in hell before we see the Tories unpick the policies of New Labour.

    The surveillance state we find ourselves in (and which the Tories will continue)is a symptom of authoritarian capitalism which creeps more and more into public and private life in this country.

    Since the fall of the wall, western Big Business has looked with greedy eyes at Russia, China and Singapore, three of the most authoritarian capitalist states on the planet.

    These states are administered for the benefit of turbo-capitalism, and the best bit for the big businessman? None of these democratic accountability irritations to get in the way.

    China- bulldoze most of old Beijing to make big shiny skyscrapers with no consultation with the locals.

    Russia- pay the mafia to bump off investigative journalists with tacit Govt approval (or evem murkier)

    Liberal democratic checks and balances are a pain in the arse when there's more asset stripping to be done, so what to do?

    Get the Govt in your pocket- fund them, promise them cushy post-politics board positions etc and hey presto, those civil liberties, rights to protest and planning consultations all just magically disappear. Keerrchiing!

    Right wingers make me chuckle when they talk about freedom, democracy and capitalism. They don't realise that we are quickly slipping into a totalitarian technocracy.

    Communism destroyed civil liberties, but it ain't got anything on the efficiency and sophistication that authoritarian capitalism will do to our polity and the civic state.

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  54. Good post, dook.

    Authoritarian capitalism - I'm sure there must be a study out there somewhere which shows how many cctv cameras are privately owned, either by homeowners or businesses.

    The great fallacy which the Right, and misguided leftie liberals, have bought into is that the surveillance society is evidence of the dictatorial tendencies of the Left.

    The article by Deane which scherfig referred to repeats the urban myth about 1984-style wheelie bins. Anyone applying a bit of common sense would know that that would never work anyway. I'm sure I drag in a different wheelie bin from one week to the next.

    I'm so bored of reading half-arsed comments on Cif or elsewhere by idiot right-wingers who have yet to understand that we are not moving towards a socialist state (or, for the Europhobes, a socialist superstate).

    We are moving towards a corporatist state, ie govt run by the corporations for the benefit of the corporations.

    The right-wingers who still believe that freedom is inherent to capitalism are either liars or fools.

    The corporations, the global companies, represent the greatest threat to our freedom, wealth, our way of life.

  55. Sheff;

    'This Palestinian women's football is wonderful - why wasn't it covered over here I wonder?'

    'because they weren't wearing their Gaza strips' (sorry!)

  56. If they weren't wearing their Gaza strips, Edwin, I'm pretty sure 5 would have bought the rights.

    I thought the reason might be that the broadcasters thought that West Hamas were suffering enough already this year, without being shown up by a bunch of girls.

  57. And of course dear auld Gazza might have been coaching the girls, but he's got an awful lot fatah these days.

  58. I'm all out of footie/IP puns, Edwin.

    Gaza is fatah wins the thread!

  59. Evening all,

    Haven't caught up with the thread, but thought I'd share some lovely insults I've just received by e-mail:

    The exchange between Churchill & Lady Astor: She said, "If you were my husband I'd give you poison," and he said, "If you were my wife, I'd drink it."

    A member of Parliament to Disraeli: "Sir, you will either die on the gallows or of some unspeakable disease." "That depends, Sir," said Disraeli, "on whether I embrace your policies or your mistress."

    "He had delusions of adequacy." - Walter Kerr

    "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." - Winston Churchill

    "A modest little person, with much to be modest about." - Winston Churchill

    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." Clarence Darrow

    "He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary." - William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway).

    "Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words?" - Ernest Hemingway (about William Faulkner)

    "Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I'll waste no time reading it." - Moses Hadas

    "He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know." - Abraham Lincoln

    "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

    "He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends." -Oscar Wilde

    "I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; bring a friend.... if you have one." - George Bernard Shaw to Winston Churchill

    "Cannot possibly attend first night, will attend second... if there is one." - Winston Churchill, in response.

    "I feel so miserable without you; it's almost like having you here." - Stephen Bishop

    "He is a self-made man and worships his creator." - John Bright

    "He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others." - Samuel Johnson

    "There's nothing wrong with you that reincarnation won't cure." Jack E. Leonard

    "He has the attention span of a lightning bolt." - Robert Redford

    "In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily." - Charles, Count Talleyrand

    "Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it?" - Mark Twain

    "His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork." -Mae West

    "Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go." - Oscar Wilde

    "He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts.. . for support rather than illumination. " - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

    "He has Van Gogh's ear for music." - Billy Wilder

    "I've had a perfectly wonderful evening but this wasn't it." -Groucho Marx

  60. Nice work "dook"business
    But we can hardly call this reflex "western" any more.

    China and India have the same Ivy League crowd running them as any "Western" power.

    Interchangeable cunts.

  61. The insults miss out my favourite exchange between Lady Astor & Churchill (probably everyone knows it, but it's worth repeating). It goes something like this:

    Lady Astor: Sir, you are drunk!

    Churchill: Madam, I may be drunk, but you are ugly and I shall be sober in the morning.

  62. @Thauma - "A modest little person, with much to be modest about" was Churchill's take on Attlee.

    Which says more about Winston "Labour Party Geschtapo" Churchill than it does about our best ever PM.

    Some great insults there though.

    And apposite that you should post just as the UT's undisputed semen-dribbling, shite-nudging, fart-breathing King of Invective returns...

    Good drink, BW? (-:

  63. thaumaturge
    Ha, the old ones are still the old ones.

    I found a fantastic quote in a book in my old mans shelves, Ambrose Bearce, in The Devil's Dictionary:

    "Rum. Generically, fiery liquors that produce madness in total abstainers"

    Hell yes.

  64. One of my all-time favorites was from Ilka Chase (actress/novellist):

    A young actress congratulated Ilka Chase on her latest book:
    Actress: I enjoyed it immensely, who wrote it for you?
    Ilka Chase: I'm so glad you liked it, who read it to you?

  65. Anonymous Labour MP in 1983 about Woy Jenkins:

    "The only thing that Roy Jenkins ever fought for was a table for two at the Mirabelle."

    Churchill: "I think that at least on this occasion you might have taken the trouble to dress properly."

    Nye Bevan: "Prime Minister, your fly buttons are undone."
    Anonymous Tory MP about Harold Wilson, 1964:

    "If he ever went to school without any boots, it was only because he was too big for them."

  66. Anonymous top-flight manager on hearing that ex-ManUre boss, Tommy Docherty had taken a job in Australia:

    "He's gone 200 years too late."

  67. Here's Bill Hicks.


  68. Or, Tommy Doc on Robert Maxwell:

    "Maxwell's just bought Brighton and Hove Albion. He was furious when he found out it was just one club."

    Cloughie on Maxwell:

    "Baffles me why he loves to see his mug plastered over the back pages, because Robert Redford he ain't."

  69. That's quality, scherfig (-:

    Who the fuck's Ilka Chase though? If she's related to Lorraine, she's working from a script.

  70. Nice
    Meanwhile, here's the Radio Kings


    Best thing you'll hear all year

    You CAN'T keep a good man down.

    Or woman.

  71. BW, posting a link...


    Blimey, even I've got the hang of this one, mate(-;

  72. Could you repeat that, it's just that I was cracking one out at the time and my nob feels massive right now. How do you do a link ?

  73. Ilka Chase was in the original Ocean's Eleven and also that great movie 'The Big Knife' with Jack Palance and Rod Steiger. She was never a big star.

  74. worddudelike

    Tbh mate, if your nob feels massive at the moment, make the most of it. Not really a time to be learning how to do linkies on UT (-;

  75. Speaking of great insults, I always liked Dorothy Parker's review of an early Katharine Hepburn performance:

    ''She ran the whole gamut of emotions from A to B''

  76. Nah this is crazy, somebody help me out here...

  77. Jack Palance in the movie "Shane" - *and* geoplitics...


    Thanks, again, to Bill Hicks...

  78. Hank
    Have another beer mate. Regroup.

  79. Bitterweed,

    is there any time that's not good for Bill Hicks?

    This is the greatest, the most magnificent character assassination of all time:


  80. On insults..Pikey, sometime of this parish, is of course a proud libertarian, a full-bearded, red-blooded scourge of the workshy and the public sector which leeches us all dry with their unreasonable demands for tithes etc.

    Me and Pikey were having a bit of a set-to one day, and he lets slip that Mrs Pikey works part-time, as a librarian. Sucking on the taxpayer's teat no less.

    I like Pikey, and would like to see more of him on here, but nevertheless I am proud to say that, having had this exchange, I coined his new Cif id -


  81. (a href=www.linkywinky.com)name of pointless link(/a)

    < instead of (
    > instead of )

    And don't make me have to raise my voice to you.

  82. My favourite insult: Beau Brummel to Lord Alvanley, as the Prince of Wales snubbed him:

    "Alvanley, who's your fat friend?"

    Class, width and depth.

    Bitterweed I love Shane. I suppose you and Hank & the others know that when Ford was filming The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Wayne snubbed Lee Marvin - Marvin was the resident lefty among a horde of far rightwingers such as Jimmy Stewart & the Dook. So the hangers on all snubbed the commie Marvin (who was nursing his war wound at the time - he took a Jap bullet in the bum).

    Marvin said that Ford noticed this aggro and hugged him and after that the hangers on all moved to his side!

    Oh and this reminds me of Ford's great insult when filming another movie - he got annoyed with Wayne and told him to try to look as if he had served, and Wayne burst into tears.

    Wife is out with her pals, the child is asleep, I am now going to drink rioja and back to reading Wolf Hall - Hilary Mantel is so so good. Night guys.

  83. It's that 10% super strength Crest, BW. Am struggling...

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  85. Bollocks

    This is superb.


  86. hank
    Well, you're doin' better than me. Despite repeated & patient explanations, I still can't do links, and I'm effing sober!

  87. Mschin
    Hey !
    Check the fuck out of this !


    Got their cd twice, going to see them week after next.


  88. The track Moziki...




  89. Good stuff. Will give it a proper listen tomorrow, BW.

  90. Has the CiF hamster been on the bong again? It's sooo slooow tonight.

  91. stop it or I'll phone Taaannnnyyaaaaa

  92. BW
    T'other half's tuned into the local reggae radio station (while lurking in the porch, smoking ;-), and I need the full-on sound system speaker experience to listen the music you want me to hear ..

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  94. Bitterweed,

    your last 6 posts together read like the middle of the 'oxen of the sun' chapter of 'Ulysses'.

    Which is no bad thing.

    Are you on a Leopold Bloom tribute tip?

  95. My Favourite insult...


    (very loud and a finger in the face)


    #Lady Astor: Sir, you are drunk!

    Churchill: Madam, I may be drunk, but you are ugly and I shall be sober in the morning.#

    It was Bessie Braddock, not Lady Astor. Bessie Braddock..Liverpudlian legend..as was her husband.

    The Astor/Churchill exchange was..

    Lady Astor: Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea.

    Churchill: Nancy, if I were your husband, I'd drink it.

    Winston lies again. Drunken twat probably never drank tea in his life. Started on the brandy about..soon as he got out of bed really. Useless drunken fraud by all accounts..or at least everyone who ever met him..even that other useless drunken (Nazi) fraud, the Queen Mother hated him...something he had in common with that self-obsessed, delusional flake Lady Di.

    How come all this country's national treasures are such complete self-serving, useless, elitist, racist, reactionary CUNTS?

  96. Have a spliff, MF, and tone down the language - we have a couple of aristos amongst us this evening who may take offence at being labelled drunken frauds. I mean drunken, yes, but frauds, never!

  97. Because this this is the best on offer in opposition ?

  98. MsChin

    sorry, I should clarify the use of tip. In my wavy davy ravey early 90's days I used to love SL2's 'on a ragga tip'.

    Due to the pharmaceuticals used, any time I enquire if someone is referencing something my brain is hotwired to say 'are you on a ....... tip?'

    Deeply tedious I know but the pharmas were great at the time and you did ask!

  99. Here's the book I want for Xmas.


  100. Nice readings monkeyfish, nice readings...

  101. BW

    Be afraid, be very afraid mate..


  102. Duke
    but the pharmas were great at the time

    Totally agree. Likewise in the seventies. The eighties seem to have been a bit lacking, though.

  103. Hey!

    You guys!!

    Bakerman is baking

  104. Mschin

    I got

    "Page not found"...

    very post-modern... ?

  105. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IWl77o3l50

  106. BW
    Ooops. Just can't get it right.


  107. Time for bed, so wimping out & leaving you guys to whatever it is you do when left to your own devices. Whatever it is, enjoy!
    Nighty night.

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  109. Well all right then, one last tune & a personal favourite.


  110. Nite

    I got a thing...


  111. Hell yes second time around...


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  113. MsChin

    The "Dana Conspiracy"...


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  115. "How was Gstaad, MF?"

    Huh..is that a typo? Did you mean Gestalt? The therapy was great...realised my fears about a corporate takeover of the entire world was just a single element in my overall delusion...a paranoid reaction which resulted in a kinda pathological socialist outlook that was holding me back from embracing the liberal idiot consumerist child within. I'd recommend a couple of months in the Stepford Sanitorium for anyone suffering similar issues.

    One satisfied customer, Matt Seaton from London, England said:

    #Stepford sorted me right out. Now, when I get angsty, I just get on my bike, whistle a happy tune and freewheel down to to the Hampstead Starbucks..a quick latte and some organic falafel, and I'm right back in step, embracing diversity and fighting the real issues: 'authentic queer identity', '3rd wave spiritual dynamics' and 'how much do you spend on the au pair's Xmas pressie?'...the things that affect real people.

    Stepford taught me to chillax...take it easy y'know. This left wing shit is just a BNP plot...the working class...fuck 'em man...who needs that lot...cunts..I mean...not exactly Oxbridge are they..knuckle dragging shit-for-brains.#

  116. Not for long BW. Minibus driving in the morning. Then I've gotta hide to watch the fuckin game. Was gonna get some binoculars but hanging around in a park, behind a tree with a pair of binoculars is probably a fuckin hanging offence these days.

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  118. Oh yeh, you still banned?
    Check this, from a proper old hippy:

    "Cosmopolitan Greetings"

    Stand up against governments, against God.
    Stay irresponsible.
    Say only what we know & imagine.
    Absolutes are Coercion.
    Change is absolute.
    Ordinary mind includes eternal perceptions.
    Observe what’s vivid.
    Notice what you notice.
    Catch yourself thinking.
    Vividness is self-selecting.
    If we don’t show anyone, we’re free to write anything.
    Remember the future.
    Freedom costs little in the U.S.
    Asvise only myself.
    Don’t drink yourself to death.
    Two molecules clanking us against each other require an observer to become
    scientific data.
    The measuring instrument determines the appearance of the phenomenal
    world (after Einstein).
    The universe is subjective..
    Walt Whitman celebrated Person.
    We are observer, measuring instrument, eye, subject, Person.
    Universe is Person.
    Inside skull is vast as outside skull.
    What’s in between thoughts?
    Mind is outer space.
    What do we say to ourselves in bed at night, making no sound?
    “First thought, best thought.”
    Mind is shapely, Art is shapely.
    Maximum information, minimum number of syllables.
    Syntax condensed, sound is solid.
    Intense fragments of spoken idiom, best.
    Move with rhythm, roll with vowels.
    Consonants around vowels make sense.
    Savour vowels, appreciate consonants.
    Subject is known by what she sees.
    Others can measure their vision by what we see.
    Candour ends paranoia

    - Allen Ginsberg.


    Best wishes


    PS, loved what your goalie did to that twat the other week, fucking art that was ;-)

  119. #Jesus that Hermionegingold is such a goalhanging cunt.#

    Yeah. Fuck me, I could do some serious damage on CIF these days...where's the opposition? There's some fuckin pretentions I wouldn't mind bursting around these days. It's too easy...place's gone soft.

  120. #Syntax condensed, sound is solid.
    Intense fragments of spoken idiom, best.#

    D'ya want fries with that?

  121. Yes, and a deep fried twat

    Did you see thick of it the other night ? GOLDEN abuse, GOLDEN.

  122. Here it is MF... fucking beautiful !


  123. I did. Caught it on demand. Watched it twice.

    D'you reckon it'll 'translate' with the Tories? Hard to say innit...there isn't the level of pretension to have a go at...just pure calculating greed..you can hardly hold them to charges of hypocrisy in the same way..least that lot are open about it. Not that it'll be any consolation.

  124. Malcolm Tucker.. the "thin white Mugabe..."

    Fucking priceless xxx

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  134. Genuinely LOL Bw.

    Fucking wanking fucking bastard cunts.

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  138. Hey, BW, if you're looking for cunts, the Waddya thread tonight would be a good place to start. Feel free to rip the piss out of anyone on there, other than DonnyOsman, who's a clean living Mormon/Muslim kinda guy...

  139. Riiiiiight,so you managed to cross-fertilise that Buckfast then, BW?

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  148. I'd love to reply to you on the Waddya thread, BW, but I seem to be prevented from doing so...

    Ah well, a demain!