26 July 2009

Daily Chat 26/07/09

Incan emperor Atahualpa was executed by Spanish conquistadors in 1533. The first recorded women's cricket match was played near Guildford in 1755 between sides from the villages of Hambledon and Bramley. The event was reported in the Reading Mercury, which noted, "The girls bowled, batted, ran and catches as well as most men could do in that game." In 1963, an earthquake near Skopje, Yugoslavia, left 1,100 dead. Celebrating birthdays today: Darlene Love, Mick Jagger, Helen Mirren, Roger Taylor (Queen, not Duran Duran), Kevin Spacey, Sandra Bullock and Kate Beckinsale. It is Independence Day in Liberia and the Maldives.


  1. England's women's team are absolutely the best in the world. This year They won the world cup, world 20/20 and retained the Ashes...

  2. Amazing photo of the Soap Bubble Nebula:

  3. How women's world has expanded since! Women's Lib has done wonders but, still, ladies are far behind men in everything human today. Much yet has to be achieved, most important of all deep respect towards women is imperative in all our actions, starting with our mothers.

  4. 'Time to lower the tone again'

    chuckled the troll

    ''Now legal immunity for swine Flue vaccine manufacturers''

    William Engdahl



    'Don't forget to ignore this........ it's not a life or death matter'

    chuckled the troll clone


    .....'Ever heard of JANE BURGERMEISTER?'

  5. Good morning Jose. I doubt many here would disagree about respect for women, and for women who are mothers. Equally important is repect for men, and men who are fathers - we are all human & have a part to play in our relationships with other humans. Which is why women on this site struggle with the opinion of some writers & posters on CiF who view men as the enemy.

  6. 'Here's one for the CHOICE lobby too'

    posed the troll

    'Scroogle: late birth abortion and Wide Eye cinema'


  7. WHAT's LEFT??????????????????????????????

    'And... finally.... for those of you still feeling that the REAL left was betrayed by NuFavour....'

    posed the cynic

    'You might want to read this.....and discover a New World order angle to Marx, Lenin, Trotsky et al......'

    posed the troll

    'although the later chapters are 'esoteric'


    Final Warning: A History of the New World Order

    by David Allen Rivera

    Chapter 6: Origins of Communism and Marxism

    'But if you just like to pretend to know about the REAL LEFT....'

    posed the troll

    'best just IGNORE it...........'

  8. Women, men ? MsChin, yes we are all equal on this Rock of ours, but, alas!, who's going to convince those who still hurt women bodily, because unfortunately there are many who go about this world unmolested because our laws are not perfect enough to do away with this plague. On one hand the forced silence on women not to protest, on the other the attitude of Judges who do not exert all their power to apply the law, police and other officials who in their innermost are macho but that shut up because of the increasing general brouhaha against people of their ilk.

    What does Education do to avoid all this? I'm afraid not enough, which takes me to the Laws enacted of alleged "defence" of children, laws that produce results contrary to that defence because they eventually allow children to declare their own wars. Usually against children, too.

    But that's another question.

  9. Atahualpa killed by the Spaniards? Saddam killed by the coalition forces? Where's the change in civilisation?

    As we can see, nowhere.

    As we can see it is always a question of invaders versus invaded, stronger vs weaker.

    And if we look more intently, this extrapolates to our countries, our districts and, in lesser importance, to our homes.

  10. Jose
    Is the law the only answer to interpersonal violence?

    But that's yet another question, and something we'll have to return to later, as I have to go now. 'Bye.

  11. Hi Jose, glad to see you’re back after yesterday.

    I’ve just tried to post this on CiF, but their linking system continues to baffle me:

    *Feminism should be about respect for ALL women, surely?

    Even Mr T is a Feminist, Sucka!

    He's also got some advice for Ciffers

    I'll try to follow it, T...*

    Maybe some kind soul could do it for me?

  12. If it works here, why doesn't it work there :-(

  13. *@Trane:
    Thanks. And I wouldn't say you're a part-time father. I'm pretty sure you love your daughter all the time.*

    Thanks Montana. I’m pretty sure of that too...

  14. Most important is education, MsChin. Education is the "mother" or the "father" (LOL) of all our misfortunes. In the human case I'd say it is "the father", because to my knowledge mums in most cases try to rear their children properly within the limits of respect and honesty, that they be accompanied by fathers is another thing.

    Which takes me to another question: Is this a necessary balance between the two parents? Or we should always be aware of the apparently ever-present monster within?

    I'll leave it at that, because I must also go now.

  15. Well, Andy, I didn't want to make any rash judgments. :-) Just 'cos she's not with you all the time, doesn't mean you're not a full-time father.

  16. Wow, this place has been slow today.

    Montana: I’ve looked at that thread by Noyes about the controversy about Obama’s place of birth.

    There’s obviously a large element of partisanship, and some racism too, going on in the whole thing, but maybe you can clarify the legal, constitutional position.

    Am I right in thinking that the US President has to be not only an American citizen, but also born in the US (or is it just born an American citizen)?

    So Arnie, for instance, could never be President, because he was formerly an Austrian citizen, or so he told me just before he walked off into the night saying:

    I’ll Be Back...

  17. You just have to be born a US citizen as far as I know, Andy.

    Arnie's out of luck, but rather scarily, Mel Gibson is eligible!

  18. Thanks LordS, though I’d still be interested in hearing from our resident all-American girl on the subject.

  19. LordS

    Mel Gibson! - thats more than a bit scary.

  20. I thought Mel Gibson was an aussie...

    Scary thought though, yeah.

  21. Gibson is a New Yorker and also one of the few really totally die-cast rightwingers in Hollywood, which is mostly liberal leaning: Arnie is not eligible.

    Gibson actually believes his own wife is going to hell because she is not one of his kind of Christian, so he has own special place in the loony pantheon.

  22. Gibson is originally from New York, but later moved to Australia to become Mad Max and establish his political / moral compass.

    Hope this helps

    - BitterWeedia

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  24. Cheers for that, chaps.

    I know he has very extreme Christian views, but I didn't know about the wife thingy.

    BitterWedia - a particular thank-you to you for being co-dependent in my laziness. :o)

  25. Anytime BB!
    Going back to my series 2 of the Wire now... last 2 episodes to go... ace

  26. Well, I don't know if anyone will see this this late in the day (son & I went to see the newest Harry Potter movie) --

    The question of citizenship & the presidency is a little sticky. Article II of the Constitution states:

    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constituition, shall be eligible to the office of President:

    and the 14th Amendment states:

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside".

    The interpretation has always been that a president must have been born in the US or a US territory. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, so there is no question that he is a citizen, even though his father was not a citizen. The birthers are trying to claim that his birth certificate was forged and that he was born in Kenya. That is just batshit crazy. Arnold Scwarzenegger, as a naturalised citizen can never be president, without an amendment to the Constitution. I don't know if Mel Gibson holds dual citizenship or not. He was born in New York and his family emigrated when he was fairly young. If he has dual citizenship, he would most likely be eligible to become president, since he was born on US soil. John McCain was actually more questionable than Barack Obama. He was born in Panama, to US citizens. Since Panama is not US soil and was never a US territory, it could be argued that he is not a 'natural born' citizen.

    Mel Gibson is indeed crazy as fuck and a hypocritical shitebag. Not only does he think his wife is going to hell because she's not Catholic, he thinks it's okay for himself to have affairs, but not her.

  27. Hello chaps, It's all not happening here eh?
    Montana, the Gibson chap would certainly appear to hate the English right enough. Will we ever recover?

  28. Gee, I dunno. I'd say anytime a right-wing, anti-semitic Catholic fundamentalist despises you, you must be doing something right.

  29. Montana,
    You are right petal, as always.