07 February 2010


Edward of Caernarvon became the first English Prince of Wales in 1301.  Supporters of Girolamo Savonarola burned cosmetics, art and books in the Bonfire of the Vanities in 1497.  The strongest earthquake in the recorded history of the US occurred along the New Madrid fault line in southeastern Missouri in 1812, measuring 8.3 on the Moment Scale.  Emile Zola was put on trial for libel in 1898 for publishing J'Accuse.  The Maastricht Treaty was signed in 1992 and, last year, bush fires killed 173 people in Victoria, in what is now the worst natural disaster in Australian history.

Born today:  Thomas More (1478-1535), Thomas Killigrew (1612-1683), Charles Dickens (1812-1870), Laura Ingalls Wilder (1867-1957), Sinclair Lewis (1885-1951), Eubie Blake (1887-1983), Gay Talese (1932), Pete Postlethwaite (1945) and Eddie Izzard (1962).

It is Independence Day in Grenada.


  1. grrrr. only have anough milk for one cup of coffee. have made coffee double strength but it's not the same....

    and happy birthday Eddie Izzard!

  2. Does anybody know The Chain from Radcliffe and Maconie's radio show? All you do is link one song to the next. Here's a song about a house.

  3. oh, i love that song, habib!

    (thought at first you were referring to Fleetwood Mac - also good, but that song always makes me think of Murray Walker)

  4. Stop swinging the lead, where's your song?

  5. well, now you've made me think if this...

  6. Morning.

    Carrying on with habib's theme, try this

  7. Morning all!

    Hehehe - my hubby bought a dvd of Alice's Restaurant for our son for Xmas. Fab!

    On the subject of restaurants...

  8. Nice one Pb, that hits the mark. Ouch.
    MsChin hah ha. love that!

  9. Oh BB! A movie or a measure?

  10. Morning all.

    Just popping by to get my clocking-in card stamped, really.

    I'm finding I have less and less to say these days. Not really sure why.

    Anyway, have fun everyone.

  11. Just read this article on family poverty on the graun site.
    It's here

    Some quotes:

    "To see the sacrifices families are making on a daily basis was overwhelming. The families went to huge efforts to provide for their children,"

    'First to go was a holiday in Fuerteventura in Spain. "We had to cancel it," said Louise, 37. The family also swapped to own-brand foods at the supermarket, and went out less often. "We had taken the kids out to Pizza Hut twice a month, but those days are gone," she added.

    But they wanted to make sure that their children were protected, especially at Christmas.

    These are the people who are paying for the crisis, while the b*gg*rs who caused it keep coining it in billions! Makes me so angry!

    Nice music folks! memory lane eh! Daren't think how many its been since I heard that Fleetwood Mac track!

  12. Atomboy, as a man grows wiser he speaks fewer words. Certainly explains why I keep yapping on and on and on...

  13. anne

    Funnily enough, I was never able to afford trips to restaurants & holidays for my family so personally, I don't see those as great sacrifices. What I do know about is the high-interest money-lending scams where cash is loaned to those who have nowhere else to turn, and the decent old-fashioned lenders have been driven out of business. I see people switching off the heating & going to bed because the token meter's got no 'emergency money' left, taking items out of their basket at the supermarket checkout because they can't afford to pay for them. It feels like Thatcher has returned.

    Rant over.

  14. Sasha Abramsky's article on the evictions of tenants in foreclosed property in the US is even more sick making.

    link here

    Why are people not on the streets about all this? I suppose that the answer is that at hte moment people fear what the future may hold for them.

    Perhaps when things begin to get better people will feel more able to express their anger?

  15. Thanks for the tip, anne - i need to make sure i don't just 'stop' at CIF, as while they don't have the sort of 'real life' articles up for comment that many of us keep asking for, there's a lot of good stufff particularly in Society. the foster care article was also rather harrowing...

  16. On a lighter note, just read an article about snowdrops and seen a magpie carrying a twig in its beak, which remind me that spring really is on the way.

    Unfortunately it's very grey in Yorkshire this morning, but here's a tune to brighten the day.

  17. Mschin I can't afford holidays etc either but surely we should all be able to do this.

    Our lives are diminished and limited while bankers drink £3000 cocktails and can spend more than my annual income on an evening's entertainment!

    I obviously did the wrong job, should have worked at trashing the economic system!

  18. PS Thinking about it trashing this economic system is exactly what I want to do - just not quite in that way! ;)

  19. ah - in facct they have now opened the foster care piece for comments. will take a deep breath and go look BTL...

  20. Perfect music MsChin, perfect.
    Have a good day, everyone x

  21. @ anne and Philippa. I'd agree that SocietyGuardian despite the odd infuriating piece by a bullshitting NewLabber, or an arch-privatiser (re corporatised charity chief exec:worrying how the emergent 'super'charities have aped the worst aspects of the corporate sector,trample on the small guys and are very bloody distant from their charitable aims and objectives...) has a far beeter coverage of social issues, is much superior in its ATL writers and has a better (if sparser) level of debate. Oh, and as I've mentioned before, its editor is a nice bloke, and wholly unlike the disagreeably partisan, smug and blinkered Seaton.
    So, it's not as if the paper doesn't have some staff journalists and guest writers who know of what they're talking when it comes to social issues, but strangely those (lower-key) writers are kept in a SocietyGuardian silo by and large, with haughty big-guns or callow Oxbridgers wishing to apply a facade of grittiness wheeled out on CiF to show their ignorance,detachment and inability to grasp the issues and reality.

  22. Morning all,

    annetan. I'd just read that and logged on here to see if anyone else had.

    The worst thing is I read it with exasperation rather than anger. What can you do? Really, genuinely, what can we do?


    regarding Burnley and Benedictine. My Brother in law is a season ticket holder at turf moor and I've been to a few games. You can actually buy benedictine with your pie! No joke- on the drinks list:


    All the working mens clubs around the ground, the Catholic club, miners club etc all sell it literally by the barrel.

  23. And what a dick that Barbara Ellen is.

    She haughtily condemns the British Public for getting hysterical over swine flu, conveniently omitting the fact her paper and the rest of the media banged on relentlessly that flu fucking ARMAGEDDON!!! was imminent. RUN, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! day after day after day.....

    And now it's proven to be a crock- ''aren't the peasants just hysterical and ignorant?''

    Islington- the magical island untouched by reality.

  24. anne

    I just wanted a rant, sorry!


    Always works for me. Usually listen to a guy called Warm n Easy at 3 counties radio (on the iplayer) on Sunday mornings, nice and mellow.


    Saw the Ellen article & wanted to kill. It's the difference between their reality & ours - a recurring theme in conversations here - which winds me up.

  25. I see the Euro 2012 draw is about to begin. It'll be interesting to see who Scotland are going to be thumped by this time.

    For some strange, strange reason I have a feeling we will be playing our southern neighbours.....

  26. Fucking hell. Just caught Alastair Campbell speaking to Andrew Marr. What a lying manipulative c*nt, pulling the old crocodile tears thing that Thatcher once did, play-acting to the hilt. A vile bully, notorious for personal attacks on others, and with a record of disreputable journalism before becoming a spin-doctor, he now wants sympathy for being under a tiny bit of scrutiny and getting but 1/100th back of what he dished out.

  27. Alisdair

    Have to agree with you, totally manipulative. But perhaps getting desperate to redeem TBs, and by implication, his own version of 'integrity'.

  28. brrrrrrr have actually managed to do some writing. am at 125,000 words and still have so much left to do...

    how long are books normally?

    because i'm going to have to buy a bigger binder clip...

  29. annetan

    I read that Abramsky piece yesterday - incredibly depressing and have to I agree with atomboy, the worse things get the less I feel I have to say - or at least the fewer words seem available to express how I feel about things, they've all been used up. Might just go out on to the moors and have a long scream.

  30. Hi all. SOrry not been around for a few days - have been a bit 'blue'. Have still ranted on Cif but mostly at two in the morning when I cant sleep. But feeling a bit better today.

    Anne and MsChin - I was in the supermarket a couple of days ago and there was a man being served - in front of me were a couple - so I was a bit far back and couldn't quite understand at first what was going on. Anyway he gave the cashier a card. This card didn't seem to be working. Supervisors were called. he then got told that although he had recieved a letter from the council saying this card was working from today the council had not put money on it. He could still use vouchers and cash. He then got some vouchers out and the check out girl counted them up and told him he needed something like sixteen pounds cash. SO he put a few items back. he needed 8 pounds. A few more. He needed six pounds. At this point my mum and I reached around the couple and my mum offered him a tenner but he declined with a smile and kept putting things back until it came to one pound something - which he had.

    He left with hardly enough food for a couple of days and the quiet dignity he had whilst slowly having to put this food back was something else. When I got to the check out I asked what the cards were. It seems sheffield give Assylum seekers vouchers instead of actual money - that they can spend in certain shops. these are being replaced by these cards. People got letters that the cards were to be used from that day but the council had not activated them or put any money on them. The cashier said he was the third that day.

    It really upset me - hence the depression I think.

    On a lighter note I caught up with past threads the other night when unable to sleep and read about these legendary wafers by a firm I have not heard of before. SO off I went to the co op to look for Tunnocks wafers. And I can report they are indeed damned lovely!

    Right off to look at cheap curtains in Dunelms - the glamour of my life knows no limits but I am eternally grateful that I can go to look for curtains and am not having to rely on the council to put money on my card so I can buy food. Will pop in later.

  31. princessc

    'Sheffield - where everyone matters'. That's the city council's slogan apparently, as someone told me t'other day, but it seems to me that the elite here regard the rest as a festering boil.

    Tunnocks rule. Can't believe taht you hadn't tried them before. And I bet you come back from Dunelm with a few extras that you weren't planning to get. It's the Ikea effect.

  32. Princess

    The new system of plastic cards was supposed to kick in last wednesday I think, typical that there should have been a cock up. Prior to that all asylum seekers were given supermarket gift vouchers (Tesco, Asda Morrisons mainly).

    Assist (a charity that helps out with failed AS's) has stacks of the gift vouchers that they buy from the AS's so that they can shops at cheaper places like Lidl and Aldi.

    If you felt inclined to buy a few of the vouchers you can get them from the Assist office in town. email me if you fancy the idea and I'll send you the details.

    A friend of mine witnessed something similar to you. She was standing behind a young middle eastern couple with a small child who also had to put food back that they couldn't afford. She bought it all and then caught them up and handed it to them - after some initial, polite resistance, she persuaded them to take it. It happens quite regularly I think.

  33. Sheff,

    A friend of mine witnessed something similar to you. She was standing behind a young middle eastern couple with a small child who also had to put food back that they couldn't afford. She bought it all and then caught them up and handed it to them - after some initial, polite resistance, she persuaded them to take it. It happens quite regularly I think.

    Surely not? All the Guardian columnists tell us that ordinary working class Brits are potential BNP supporters (if not already) and would sooner spit in the eye of an immigrant than help them.

    You must be making it up!!

  34. Right, well, you lot have depressed me now. I can remember not having enough money to buy food in my student days; however, not only did I know it was temporary, but I could have swallowed my pride and asked my parents for money if things had got really desperate. Can't imagine how it would feel to have no hope.

    Off to read the Observer and get angry (again) with Barbara Ellen.

    Duke, aren't you watching Scotland play in 10 minutes? Couldn't be arsed walking down the pub a second time (first time was to collect the car, which had a sleepover), so I'm hoping it'll pop up on iPlayer later on.

  35. Yr Grace

    I suppose it depends what you're looking out for but small acts of ordinary kindness between people are happening all the time - but thats not what the meeja are interested in is it? Much more mileage for them to get their audience frothing at the mouth.

  36. Have read Barbara Ellen (her usual drivel imho) and the debt article. I think the latter could have been a hell of a lot better; I'm having trouble finding too much sympathy for people who are moaning that they aren't going to be able to afford a foreign holiday this year.

    The predatory lenders should be lined up and shot, but why on earth would anyone take out a loan at up to 300% interest? Probably it was in the small print and not mentioned by the usurers. Bastards.

    Surely the Observer could have found some people who hadn't sunk themselves in stupid debt (for luxuries) and who weren't going to moan about not being able to go to Tenerife.

    The other family mentioned, the McLeods, are much more sympathetic. But I see that the Ridleys, now that the wife is about to start a part-time job, are hoping to go to Ibiza in September!

  37. @thaumaturge I wondered about these debt ridden people too and the subtext in there seemed to be they wanted their kids to have 'normal' lives despite their debt. Now call me old fashioned but the definition of normal as requiring holidays abroad is a bit err rich. I did question whether the way the Ob had asked questions or edited their answers made them seem a bit stupid,i.e Ibiza. It may be that they were asked "What would you love to do?" And they just answered "Ibiza"

    @PhillipaB A book is usually about 90,000 to 100,000. 100+ is damn good going. I am writing someone's adoption story right now and it has slowed down.

  38. Thanks Sheff for that. I would be interested. What upset me the most was that the couple in front would not budge so I was having to lean round them with my mum and we did not want to insist and embaress this young man but they could have just moved and let us go up to him. They were looking at him as if he was dirt on their shoes.

    When I am well enough to do some volunteer work (bascially once the stomach issue is better I hope) Assist is one of the charities I was interested in. My mum is retired and she is interested too. She is just a bit worried that she would find it really upsetting,. She did work with the Chilean refugees back in the eighties and was really upset when some of them were forcibly sent back.

    Two christmases ago we gave a young woman with a child in the co-op in Ossett a few quid because she was short - and it was obviously her Christmas shop and she was counting every penny - it must happen a fair bit to people.

    As you say Thauma - I have been there myself as a student but I knew it was not a permanent situation.

  39. A CiF article has just popped up by Derek Acorah.

    Yes he of spurious spiritualism fame and the most recognisable face of the industry specialising in exploiting people at their most vulnerable and grief stricken.

    It's a pure puff piece.

  40. Derek Acorah - must check that out later. Going to take the little dog for a walk around the gloomy streets.
    13thDuke - your Adam Smith quote on the Hutton thread was fantastic. I bet not one raging rightie comes along to take you up on it. They cant deal with it when presented with little things like...facts!

  41. Evening all,

    princess, thank you for your moving post. reflecting ..

  42. American newspapers are always doing things like that -- slapping up articles about families who are "cutting back" and making "sacrifices" to make ends meet and the things that these poor families have to do without are things that normal human beings would consider luxuries.

    I have come to the conclusion that it's deliberate.

  43. MsRobinson et al - it was hard to tell if the Observer had actually interviewed anyone themselves or had just quoted off the IPPR report. Either way they could have done better, I think.

    Princess - more power to you. My mum volunteered at a women's shelter, which was horrible (apart from what the poor women were going through, it really affected the way she looked at men, including my dad - she ended up having to give it up) and later at a refugees' shelter, which worked out much better. She still keeps in touch with some of the refugees she worked with today.

  44. princess,

    cheers. I'm certainly no economist but I studied Smith quite a lot as I did 'the Scottish Enlightenment' as my Politics dissertation at Uni.

    It's always been a particular bugbear of mine when Smith is presented as a champion of the neo-liberal right when he is anything but.

    As evidenced by the wealth of nations and Theory of moral sentiments, he would be appalled by the neo-liberal economy.

  45. Montana Wildhack - The bigger issue is that people feel they should have or are entitled to various luxuries though they cannot afford them. Living within your means is no longer seen as a valid way to conduct your life, or is made out to be something for losers. I don't get it.

  46. @thaumaturge..yep not much primary work done by papers these days so could easily be secondary. It was very Year Seven.

  47. @Princess Chip chops: I volunteered a lot in Australia but found the red tape here really difficult. I tried to work with Right to Read and it was just so bureacratic. Then I found do-it.org which had quite a lot of opportunities to do grass roots work like teaching people to cook, mentoring etc.

  48. Awwww... as the first 6 Nations game at Murrayfield since the death of Bill McLaren, I was soooo hoping that the Scots would beat the French today. Shame.

  49. Someone here mentioned Thorstein Veblen a while back. Why is his 'The Theory of the Leisure Class' (1899) not remembered any more? It seems more relevant than ever - Veblen even coined the term 'conspicuous consumption'. Although I doubt that he imagined that this would come to include holidays in Ibeza and trips to Pizza Hut. Of course, writing in the 19th century he didn't get everything right, but it's interesting stuff and he was somewhat prescient on many subjects.

    The possession of goods, whether acquired aggressively by one's own exertion or passively by transmission through inheritance from others, becomes a conventional basis of reputability. The possession of wealth, which was at the outset valued simply as an evidence of efficiency, becomes, in popular apprehension, itself a meritorious act. Wealth is now itself intrinsically honourable and confers honour on its possessor.

    Sounds like Thorstein had foreseen the right-wing numpties who infest Cif and the bankers' bonuses.

    Here's a link to The Theory of the Leisure Class

  50. Ms Robinson

    On the acceptability of not living within your means - I don't get it either. Nice to see you round here, btw.


    I'll have to read that through later, although the language isn't erm, very PC for such a delicate soul as myself.

  51. You gotta take it as it comes, mschin. PC sensibilities didn't exist in the 1890's ;0)

    Although come to think of it, they're not much in evidence on Cif any more since the lunatics took over the asylum.

  52. Could Veblen have foreseen WAG's, widespread 'sexualisation/objectification' of women, and cosmetic surgery?

    These features, together with the other, related faults of structure that commonly go with them, go to show that the person so affected is incapable of useful effort and must therefore be supported in idleness by her owner. She is useless and expensive, and she is consequently valuable as evidence of pecuniary strength. It results that at this cultural stage women take thought to alter their persons, so as to conform more nearly to the requirements of the instructed taste of the time; and under the guidance of the canon of pecuniary decency, the men find the resulting artificially induced pathological features attractive. So, for instance, the constricted waist which has had so wide and persistent a vogue in the communities of the Western culture, and so also the deformed foot of the Chinese. Both of these are mutilations of unquestioned repulsiveness to the untrained sense. It requires habituation to become reconciled to them.

  53. Bloody hell, scherfig, that bit on women is scarily accurate. Of course, I say this as a woman who thinks that marriage is a form of prostitution. ;-)

    BB - dammit, you could have posted a spoiler alert! Haven't watched it yet. :-(

  54. Watching the Scot/France coverage now: just reviewing yesterday's matches - I do love it when a prop forward scores a try! Jones had a second of "oh fuck, what am I doing with the ball?" and then just decided to go over.

  55. scherf

    True dat. The trolls are getting less & less PC & more & more wearisome by the day.

    Binding has been used to re-shape babies' heads as well as girls' feet, and seems to have been a widespread practice. Beauty may well be in the eye of the beholder, but these things make me cringe.

    Why would men find deformed feet, a re-shaped vagina or bee-stung lips attractive anyway? No - on second thoughts, don't answer that!

  56. MsChin - I think it's a lot of over-publicised shite. There is a small minority of men and women who buy into it all. Luckily for me, my bloke doesn't seem to mind a bit of deviation from the sleb-pages norm.

  57. thauma

    Tend to agree with you, men of my acquaintance view such women as high-maintenance & don't aspire to own one.

  58. MsChin - ah, "own" - that is the key phrase.

  59. thauma

    That's the bit that leapt off the screen & slapped me round the chops - "supported in idleness by her owner".

  60. Interesting issues raised by the Veblen stuff.

    But ... on a lighter note, it would appear that auxesis (formerly BiteThePatriarchy, habitual troll of this and other parishes, man of many identities, but just a single brain cell) has been disappeared by the Cif fascists. What on earth has he been up to now? Perhaps he will find more freedom of speech in China? :0)

    Bitey, if you're lurking, it couldn't happen to a more deserving wanker. Keep the faith, tovarich!

  61. Speaking of "owned": scrum pwned by France!

  62. scherf

    Last I saw of BTH was the academia / terrorism thread, I think, where he accused BB of not denying suicide bombers or something equally bizarre. Then he was demanding some 'evidence' of IRA suicide bombers from a particular poster. One of the academics on the thread turned him upside down & wiped the floor with him.

    I got distracted after that by Mynameshardy's antics which were vastly entertaining.

  63. Mm, scherf, I've been wondering where Bitey has been.

    Back on the belated rugby, I can't understand why Scotland don't always pick Paterson. The man has the best kicking record anywhere as I understand it. Yet he seems to be sidelined quite often.

  64. scherf

    I think I am guilty of bringing about auxesis's demise. He started on the libel tourism thread about me getting anyone who disagrees with me banned - i responded that it was only him, and I had only reported him for abuse because he was abusive to me under another two nicks.

    Ah well. No doubt he will be back under a fourth nick to bitch about me yet again. I don't know why they don't just stick him in premod instead of banning him. It's only today and yesterday he has been having a go at me again on a couple of threads (although I seem to remember him being in premod for a while before so maybe he was either behaving himself or they weren't letting attacks on me through the net.)

    All a bit obsessive. I try and engage with him normally, like I would any other poster, but he just cannot seem to help himself - he has to bitch.

  65. mschin, I'm shocked. Shocked! He was accusing BB of something? That's not like him at all.

  66. Re: BTH - thinking about it, I did have the temerity to ask him if he was unable to see the internal contradiction in one of his posts on the Libel thread. I obviously asked to be hit with both barrels after that one, didn't I? :p

  67. thauma, after my discovery of BBC1 on the TVUPlayer, I was all set for the Ireland game yesterday, and then discovered that BBC1 had been replaced by Parliament TV! Imagine my surprise when I found that BBC1 was back again today. (Scotland-France not quite the same so I didn't watch it.) It must be a conspiracy because we're best. Slam again?

  68. Scherf - based on yesterday's form, we'll be bloody lucky. Granted, we tend to up our game for a better team, but there is very much uppering to be done to beat France at the weekend.

    It was a crap match. Half sloppy, half aerial ping-pong.

  69. Evenin' all. Here's a very very very old song for Bitey and those of his ilk.
    I'm sorry about just posting songs and never saying anything, really, but hey, what can I tell you?

  70. S'alright habib. Are you at work?

  71. BB

    Actually I rather thought that bitey had turned his sights on AllyF, but he was clearly a mere target whereas you are a long-term goal!

    But in reality, bitey's bannings have nothing to do with you; reporting a post for abuse is one thing, but the ban comes directly via the mods.

    My new fave quote from bth comes from the academia / terrorism thread: "Actually I am better than most other people but that's neither here nor there". Aw, bless!

  72. Habib, one of the several things that makes this a great place to visit is the quality of the links (including that one).

    The ones I've enjoyed the most have come I think from martillo - including a Macbeth I'd never heard of (that one with Sid James).

  73. Wot - MacBeth with Sid James? Sounds brilliant!

    Perv choon for da wimmenz

  74. hey, what can I tell you?

    Evening, heyhabib, you can tell us why you just post songs and never say anything :0) No need to say sorry, btw, this is (supposed to be) a broad church.

    tell it like it is (I saw these guys live in New Orleans some years ago. Good stuff.)

  75. scherfig
    Nice link mate ! Aaron Neville is a truly gifted singer.

    that's actually one of my favourite Zep tunes, most people seem to hate it for some reason... lovely solo from Pagey.

  76. Scherf - here's Daniel Lanois with Aaron Neville. Fucking brilliant tune.

    The Maker

  77. BW - I think at the time of that album Pagey was more or less comatose and it was a John Paul Jones production - but yes, he pulled off a good solo there!

    No disrepect to JPJ intended - quality musician.

  78. Thauma



    Like that a lot, there's a reggae version too. But here's some more soul

  79. BW - this tune a better example of the JPJ influence!

  80. thauma
    Oh hell yes, loads of respect, even if he did help co-create at least one Cult platinum selling monster, which nearly destroyed rock music the eighties.

    For me, one of Page's finest moments is the solo on Since I've Been Loving You. They had finished most of the recording for volume three in London and New York, in between mammoth US tours. Pagey had a couple of days off in their US touring schedule and had the master tapes shipped down to Nashville where he was staying for a few days. He hired a studio and went in one day to drop some guitar parts on, including the solo on that track.

    In an interview about that session, the sound engineer who was touring with them said Page showed up, plugged his guitar in, asked the studio engineer to run the tape, and dropped the solo in on one take. All done in ten minutes. No rewinds, no keeping lots of takes and cut and pasting, just straight off the bat. The engineer concluded: "That's how good Jimmy Page was". It's a great bit of guitar playing.

    Anyways, I heard this last night and it's absolutely lovely. Chap called Paul Brady, from 1977


  81. MsChin - superb song.

    I've posted this before (and tried to play it at the get-together but it was in that chaotic period where everyone was trying to play something): Who is he, and what is he to you?

  82. thauma, your first link - 'This video contains content from WMG, who has decided to block it in your country.' Fascists!
    mschin, Al Green always a pleasure.

    Here's an interesting one Hey Jude - Wilson Pickett

  83. BW - did he (JPJ)? Oh well, session musicians are whores. Much as I am in my work.

    Re: Since I've Been... might have mentioned that that's my absolute favourite LZ choon! In fact, I seem to recall dancing to it fairly recently....

  84. BW - that reminded me a lot of (an inferior version, sorry!) Dylan's Dark Eyes.

    Scherf - bastards. Will listen to Pickett in a mo.

  85. bw, if you don't bother to read the info on Wilson's song, it's Duane Allman on guitar. A serendipitous marriage of pure soul and blues/rock guitar.

  86. Scherf - that's a cracking version!

    Have always loved the line:

    Don't you know that it's a fool
    Who plays it cool
    By making his world a little colder

    Try to live up to it, but fail often.

  87. Nice one scherfig,cheers.

    I'm off now peeps, very *very* late finish last night and I need to be good today

  88. Had to share this one from BankruptNWOdogma on the nostomania thread:

    Whenever I go back to Leeds, a desire to return to old haunts dooms me to disappointment


    'Whenever I go back to Lords, a desire to polish my balls dooms me to use the ointment'

    posed the Silly mod in

  89. scherfig
    Those three together ?! Who knew ??? Brilliant, thanks.

  90. thauma
    "I seem to recall dancing to it fairly recently....!

    Ha ha.


  91. A dance we will all remember, eh?

    Night BW.

  92. Hadn't heard that in ages, thauma.

    Must go now, so it's goodnight from me.

  93. 'Night, MsChin! I'm off soon too, but I'll leave the survivors with these:

    Wait a minute Chester; I'm a peaceful man

    I don't own the clothes I'm wearing.

    Btw, cracking choons, Scherf. Especially liked the first link of Paul Brady.

  94. Thanks for the excellent choonage everyone - been dipping in and out during the ads.

    Night all xx