Your comment to Paul was unjustified and indefensible. Perhaps, not being American, you don't fully appreciate just how deeply offensive that particular word is, but I doubt it. I think you know full well what an ugly word it is and the history behind it.
Nothing that Paul said was anti-Welsh 'racism'. He addressed your comment, not your ethnicity. I'm a bit amazed that even someone as dense as you could possibly have interpreted what he said in that way.
Just for the record - again - Martyn. You're a puffed up fat welsh tart who is beyond parody.
How the city of Cordoba has accepted you into her most sylph like and yet brilliantine heart is beyond me; yet there's that other big fat fucking poove living in Brussels too. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, and the whole world is a re-run of it's a knock-out and I’m Stuart Hall.
Stranger things have happened.
The other thing, while we’re at it, and while you’ve broadcast it all over the internet, your music is shite. Abysmal.
I can only imagine Moroccans and Tunisians flooding to the shores of Spain and Portugal in the early eighties only to encounter the daytime TV soaps; the soundtracks of which your infinitesimally unpleasant twiddling would properly match – these could only drive them back onto the boat and rediscover everything from John Lee hooker to Hendrix
Sorry fat boy but these are the facts. Stick to the city, cos you sure don’t make it in music and you sure don’t make it on paper. OK.
However, the simplest advice is probably something like this: The internet has an off switch. Use it.
If people are undergoing some kind of mental breakdown or their lives are free-falling and going into meltdown, it is probably wise not to catalogue and archive this on the internet as it happens for the world to see.
Of course, this is the generous interpretation. This is making allowances for the actions of people who may, in fact, simply be running true to form and showing what they are really made of simply by momentarily letting their guard slip.
You would then be led to wonder whether someone, for example, displaying their right-on, rad-fem-supporting credentials for the umpteenth, yawning time was simply using those to disguise their inherent racism and homophobia and the fact that they cannot keep a lid on their nasty little tempers and have to have public tantrums smeared across the internet.
Of course, we should all aspire to be forgiving and accommodating, to think the best of someone.
Sometimes, though, you just have to go with your instincts, your gut reactions.
Some people just run true to form when they lose control.
Spectacular own goal Martyn - you came across as a mean spirited, small minded, petty and petulant racist fool. I doubt that any true Welshmen would rally to your flag.
By implication of your 'House' slur you don't just insult Paul personally (and vilely) you insult the collective intelligence and tolerance of all UT's......a silly thing to do
Paul - an admirable dignified and coolheaded walk away. Good on you.
Here's something to make your blood curdle of a sunday morning. Daniel Hannan MEP has a new book out- The new road to serfdom
Here's the blurb:
The brand new book by the Young Britons’ Foundation’s President, Daniel Hannan, is now available to pre-order from Amazon.
The New Road to Serfdom: A Letter of Warning to America is a must read for Tea Party activists and anyone who is concerned about the threat of the spread of European style socialism brought about by President Obama. In his newest book, Hannan pleads with Americans to not abandon the founding principles that have made America the finest example of liberty for the rest of the world.
Daniel Hannan became a celebrity overnight in March 2009 from when he attacked the then Prime Minister Gordon Brown on the floor of the European Parliament. The You Tube clip became a sensation and spread to America which lead to whirlwind appearances on FOX news and other news outlets.
So not only is the bold Daniel making his personal appeal to the USA heard but he is also comparing himself to Hayek.
the threat of the spread of European style socialism brought about by President Obama.
Unbelievable.
You might also want to be aware that the Young Britons Foundation or the "Tory hate madrassa" is having its annual conference 10-12th December.
Guest speakers include cuddly old Eric Pickles and Matthew Elliott of Taxpayers Alliance.
In other words this lunatic organisation (and I mean lunatic-check their stuff out) has official approval of the Conservative Party hierarchy.
"......The current debate spotlights the challenges of addressing poverty in middle-income countries such as China, India and Brazil, where economic growth is strong but wealth is unequally spread. After the U.S., China has the world's most billionaires, yet incomes averaged just $3,600 last year.
Roughly three-quarters of the world's 1.3 billion poor people now live in middle-income countries, according to Andy Sumner, a fellow at the Institute of Development Studies at the University of Sussex in the U.K......."
Providing aid to a country with the worlds second highest number of billionaires is not an easy sell in hard times....
An uncomfortable "international-aid debate" for the affluent of the world since it introduces the possibility of attention being drawn to the unequal distribution of wealth within countries.
Blimey. Ed did it. Interesting. 9% turnout from the unions - is that as bad as it looks or do they usually not give a flying one? I note that there's an article up saying the union vote 'was not a block vote' - given that it was less than one in ten of those eligible to vote, not even a lego-brick vote, looks like...
have tried to interrogate data with thingy from work but it's all set out funncy and i seem to have misassigned 581 votes somewhere and it's too early to try to work out how to fix it. may get that sorted at some point.
OK...so your mind's unravelling and your silly little internet persona or personae along with it..I can accept that...but why do you want to exhibit your breakdown online?..are you hoping a study group of psychologists will use your little episode as a case study?...is that the limit of your ambition...a footnote in a scholarly text on interweb-induced personality disorders?
If not..I'll admit..you've got me; I'm totally stumped. Unless it's another one of your 'cunning plans'?
Do you have any idea just how much of a cunt you're making of yourself?..and by implication CIF..which chose to use you as a contributor..how d'you think Jess is gonna feel when it turns out another one of her pet house-spam is just another egocentric flake with the IQ of a traffic bollard?
Do the decent thing mate..hand back the 'C', then go and lie down and relax..show a little bit of class..just for once, eh Martyn.
And BW, do you think "big fat fucking poove" is much better?
I'm no shrinking violet, but that kind of stuff really is offensive.
Martyn, IMO, Paul addressed your argument. Wrongly, but he addressed it. If I haven't missed something, he unfairly suggested you might mean that the Welsh were genetically non-capitalist when you'd actually said, word for word, "not by genes, but by culture".
So that's annoying, but it's certainly not a racist insult to the Welsh.
So a racist insult in response, FFS? Are you determined to alienate people?
And BW, if you think brusselsexpat is a man, call them a "fucking wanker" or somesuch, but you might stay off the Bernard Manning stuff.
"So a racist insult in response, FFS? Are you determined to alienate people?"
NO..he just wants some attention...I think he's finally realised that his 'reputation'-something along the lines of a polymath, man-of-the-world, internet-guru and sex symbol (how else d'you explain the pouting avatars?)-only ever held any currency within his foetid but fertile degenerate imagination. Now he's had to settle for simply getting someone to respond to him.
Since the vast majority of his many many posts are inconsequential gibberish seasoned with the odd joke that falls flat on its face, he has taken to 'controversy' as a means of provoking some interaction...Think: toddler in the corner of the playgroup screaming "Look at me, look at me" as he pisses himself...and don't forget...this is a 'valued' CIF contributor we're talking about..
Personally I can't wait for his next outing above the line. I'm comin back especially for that one, just to suggest he fucks his mother or that he might do us all a favour and contract bowel cancer...nothing too abusive you understand...just the odd robust rejoinder of the type so skilfully employed in the past by the man himself...I'm sure he'll join the howls of protest when the moderators delete them.
"A prophet is ever without honour in his own land."
Don't let it get you down mate..we're just a bunch of philistines who can't properly appreciate your genius..maybe you should stick to WADDAYA..that lofty circle where you can converse with philosophical giants, the likes of EXpat and Napoleon Dynamite..who seem to think you've got something interesting to say.
You're wasted on us Martyn...not that I want you to disappear all together...next door's dog just died..and who else am I gonna kick when I'm pissed off?
BellaM: At this time o night, is we being moderated from India by someone who are a passing acquaintance with English, as she am spoke?
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Yes, rather than Martyn Richard Jones or MartynInEurope or whatever name he wants to use changing avatars every ten minutes in an attempt to become the poster-old-man of the international zimmer set, wouldn't it be easier to just settle on one avatar and one user name?
Perhaps a picture of a turd and the name "LittleRacistTosser" would cover it.
Blimey! That was a pretty vicious - and unless I have missed something, utterly unprovoked - attack from MIE last night.
So we have the lesser crested Milibandii as leader. Let's see what he has to say for himself over the next few weeks. I'm glad it wasn't his brother, though.
Hello everyone, I don't post on "wadya" anymore but could someone who does suggest that Jessica and Natalie take a look at this site and see how unmitigated freedom of speech works out rather well. I've no doubt they do keep an eye on whats going on over here (in fact I'd be surprized if they didn't) but having it pointed out to them in full view of their worldwide blogging contributors might help them have a little think about the absurdity of those trigger happy "Mods"
I don't mind if you just blockquote the above and copy and paste it.
We could open a book on how long it takes to get modded!
BTW:I'm still in "pre-mod" after almost a year otherwise I'd post it myself. At least if some else does it, it stands a chance of slipping through the net.
have just tried making samosa for the first time. trigonometry not being my forte, they are shaped like little cornish pasties. any UT-ers know how to achieve the nice 'wrapover triangle' effect of the real thing?
(not that i'm deep-frying them, either. that would be too risky. but 'curried mince in pastry parcel' doesn't sound half as flash as 'samosa')
Many times I've been tempted to link here when I see someone who'd maybe find it useful to liaise on Disability 'lobbying' to Jess, but had forgotten I'd apparently done so to Martyn. Not 'my' place, so I can't 'invite' anybody in .
I'm against all mobbing. It's too easy . Some like peterbracken and martyn seem to go looking for flame-wars, other more-innocent bods get done over for misguided comments , but I treat them the same . Either ignore, or gently probe their argument.
One of my wives/mistresses/gf's once told me 'there's a difference between saying or doing a cuntish thing and being for ever a cunt" (translated from the frog) , so I do believe in Redemption, I think !
Anyway, can I be UT House Frog ? Spike can be House Commie Frog ?
Philippa -- I tried chapattis last night, to go with some curry which arrived yesterday . ( The girls provided food for the deep-freeze, inter-generational birthday solidarity ...)
aw, cheers, gillesboy! have to say, having found veetle, it's a lot less aggravation than sopcast. haven't had one break down on me yet (touches wood). have had a very productive day what with three matches being on...
dave - I usually give up and use pitta bread... planned curry evening could be slightly hampered by the chicken not defrosting properly, but am thinking room temperature thoughts in its direction at the minute...
Spike, yes, sorry about the pooftah thing, heat of the moment and all that. "fucking wanker" doesn't have the same impact unfortunately, and is also onanist in connotation.
Peter I have no idea, so will be calling in an old favour and using my Mossad assets.
You town dwellers obviously lead colourful lives - the most excitement we have here is when Scotland play Wales - a few shouting matches and a Scottish resident infuriating folk by walking around the village playing the pipes.
Village life can be very predictable - you always know who you will meet at the shops - lots of gossip (generally repetitive), the same people kicking off in the pub etc.
I have worked in towns but never lived in one - spent some time in L'pool with my niece Jenni - I hadn't seen her for a few years and she told me I am a country bumpkin. I tend to forget about the traffic - I hate shopping and noise.
Come and stay with me next summer - will take you to the black mountain where you can bathe your feet in a mountain pool and then go for a drink in a great pub miles from anywhere.
I was upset by Martyn's attack on Paul - have chatted with him for several years on Cif and never detected racism in his posts.
What a lovely offer Leni, I will take you up on that.
You make Wales sound wonderful, is it a bit scary in the Winter though?
I haven't had much to do with Martyn but like you I was suprised by his racist comment (as well as the one Atomboy highlighted earlier), it isn't nice to see someone self-destruct in the way he has been doing.
I'll swop you my old KGB assets for your Mossad connections. Although i suspect PBrax wants to assess what he perceives to be the intellectual weight of the party. Most of us are probably too lightweight for him.
I can tell you are upset, despite the fact that you showed you usual calmness and dignity and restraint.
Both you and Frog2, perhaps, feel that I should have shown more circumspection but what I cannot get around is the simple fact that any half decent person would choke on saying the word in a rage, let alone undertake the process of typing it out and sending it.
It is not something you can simply bluster and shrug your way out of with excuses of drink or provocation.
When you couple this with what monkeyfish has pointed out above, a pattern of nastiness emerges.
They used to say that policemen, doctors and teachers[?] were the most likely to use domestic violence because they were used to people doing as they were told and could not cope when questioned or disobeyed.
So what is Martyn Richard Jones's excuse?
That he thought his 18 000 posts on CiF made him some kind of super-hero at the vanguard of a new virtual master-race?
A nasty little piece of work seems to be nearer the mark.
By the way, Paul, I agree with Deano that you handled it well and offer my apologies on behalf of the vast majority of decent people that you were treated like that.
we seem to get our best weather here in May and June.
Scary in winter ? No - not at all. The scariest thing here is a guy we call Dai Papers - he's about 80 and a chapel going puritan who waxes lyrical on the evils of modernity.
Can be drab in grey wet winters but when it snows it is wonderful. e have hills and forests - and mountain bikers who sometimes bump into the bumpkins but otherwise it's quite safe !
martyn has no excuse. He is still making cryptic remarks about 'house slaves' on waddya.
He fails to understand that slavery says more about the slave owners than the slaves .
We all respond to these things in our own way- my response is usually a feeling of uselessness in combatting it.
Listening to P Tosh singing 'Stepping Razor' - makes me really, really want to be dangerous . Sadly I offer no threat to anyone - be it bloody politicians or racists.
Leni I was thinking of getting cut off, I know the stuff in my kitchen would only keep me going for a couple of days, I guess my towniness is showing. ;)
All this talk about wealth, political systems and ATOS etc. has made me look at my own situation. I have realised that in the monetary sense I am poor. It had never really struck me before.
have books, music , a garden and the wealth of the countryside around me. I'm not interested in consumerism .
I have worked with disadvantaged kids, refgees and mentally ill kids from around the world. I have railed and campaigned on their behalf , stamped about a lot - had some successes and many failures on their behalf. Odd isn't it - how we see our own situation ?
We have been cut off a couple of times - our road out of the village sometimes collapses - not gone hungry yet. Worry not - I will make sure you eat - and have wine. Once - before I came here the village was cut off completely - helicopters delivered bread etc.
Paul, I agree with Leni, might be best to let it go. You handled it well, lets move on.
Leni, yes long time no speak. Life (offline)intervenes at the best times. Hope you are well. How many folk in your village? 1400 or so where I live, can understand about seeing same faces and such. BTW--Not being a threat to any one isn't always a bad trait, that's why you're respected and listened to. By most anyway.
The mods will be unconcerned about what is said here on UT or how vile and provocative it was. They will not see the nasty baiting that was plain in the MalcomX link.
It would give the sad sick man pleasure if he could get you on the naughty step or better still banned. He would consider it clever.
leni my dear young miss poor you maybe but you are rich in all the characteristics that define decent and generous human being. I think it's called being star, a thing of fine internal shine and clarity, I'm not the only one to think your quite a gem.
If you can't get out to join us at one of our UT get togethers then we'll have to organise one in the valleys when Jen is visiting you.
We have a forester (manager) here who wants to make us a second Whistler. Won't happen of course - too much investment needed and the Forestry Commission charges heavy licence fees for anybody operatin business in the forests. They kill initiatives - even though they are now effectively a branch of the Assembly.
Tim the Forest often visits your area - takes thousands of pics of individual trees. Drives his wife to distraction so he shows them to me - I am odd enough to see different things in each one.
i would like to see the forestry developed in a more natural way - there are lots of small micro climates up on the hills - with wonderful things like slimemoulds and lichens. This in itself could bring visitors .
Much of the premining history is buried in the forests - old farm houses blown up when the plantations were first laid out' Roman remains and relics of the Cistercian monks who used to own the area. The trees also cloak many of the natural rock formations.
We still have remnants of the Coed Morganwg - ancient oak forests - alder groves etc. which speak of the pre Christian era.
Landscapes shaped by man - a whole subject in itself.
A few miles away we have the remnants of old powder works - built along a swift flowing river. It consists of a series of small workshops - if one blew up the all important construction could continue next door. Only the walls are left standing - each roof was designed to blow off easily in the case of an accident - next to each workshop there were pools - for the people set on fire when the powder blew to throw themselves into in the hope of saving their life.
Do you know, small things can often drive you crazy, I have just been to the shop to get some cereal for the morning and they have changed the packaging and hiked up the price.
You probably wouldn't notice unless you were on a limited budget but it actually makes a difference if you are.
LOL at BW with his Mossad assets and Sheff with the KGB. The latter has more of a ring of truth about it than the former. As I used to work for the FCO when I first left school, I will see if I can dig out someone from Six as well, PBrax - just in case...
Paul - hugs mate. x
MsChin - long time no see! Hope you are doing ok. x
Leni--Landscapes shaped by man. To a limited extent here. Most of the forest here is still virgin, although there are large areas replanted after harvest. Historically not the same as your area. How could it be? The natives took only what they needed from the forests and then watched nature take over again, though there are ancient sites and archeologists are always working to expose more.
deano--Mrs B and I had a fine time in Seattle. Good food, drink and lots to see. Also picked up 15 books for about 50 bucks from used book stores at Pike Place Market. Got to like that.
Anyway, Miss Lily is raring to go, so bye for now.
I'd like to suggest an article from MartynInEurope on why calling black people 'niggers' is perfectly acceptable.
Now deleted by moderators, no doubt due to an abuse report by martynineurope. It had 30 recommendations after about an hour. Not only can lttle martyn self-delete his hate-speech here, but he can apparently wipe out references to it on Cif as well. What a totally deluded fucking waste of space he is. (Although bru thinks he's wonderful!)
Just read that MF - very interesting to see all those apocalyptic tabloid headlines in lists - makes you understand how insidious the constant drip drip of the poison is.
I think he's right when he says
The ‘Islamisation’ myth tells us more about Western insecurity than it does about Muslim power.
and that every generation has their own version ie..
there seems to be a widespread desire to believe in the ‘Islamisation’ myth, just as there was a desire in previous generations to believe in the evil influence of technology, or the destructive nature of miscegenation, or the notion of degeneration.
Why do we do that? Especially now, as he says at the end, that in the UK
objectively speaking, no period in human history has been as good as the one we currently live in.
He raises a lot of issues - particularly around poverty, unemployment and health in Muslim communities. very interesting though and a good read.
MF. Thanks for that link, my stupid laptop won't red the file properly though - wiill try at work tomorrow.
This will probably bankrupt me this month, but I got to have it I tells ya. As my friend correctly tells me, the word "awesome" is somewhat overused, but an 18 cd boxed set covering fifty years of 'African' music - from Soweto to the maghreb, and from Ethiopia (via the Congo) to Senegal - some of the finest music to have been made since rock and roll was born... truly awesome. 65 quids though...
Now then. The piss-up. Saturday. 3pm onwards. The Charles Bradlaugh. http://www.thecharlesbradlaugh.com/
It's a towny pub, occasionally full of wannabe gangsters (in the evening) but there is plenty of space, and are some excellent nearby alternatives which open at 5 - play it by ear. Also a fantastic balti house down the road.
Turn left as you go into the pub, and go outside - over the yard to your right there is a big warehouse/shed which has been converted into their 'smoking' room. Unless it's freezing, that's the place. Otherwise, in through the pub's front door, and turn left.
I hope Montana - and everyone else - will not mind if I put a couple of posts here from today's WADDYA.
They appeared close together and both involve how truth can be distorted.
I'll let everyone pick the bones out of them to their own choosing.
3potato4 26 September 2010 7:53PM
Martyn
you have been done over like a kipper,,as was Bru,,and as have many others,, but there is no victory in winning wars and losing ones self,, chill,,
consider that one of the digs at you was about the large number of posts you have made,(over a long period) but now the ones of today and last night will become the sole plank on which platforms are erected to dismiss or attack you in the future,, done over like a ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
you were really not a match for the professional nastyboys,, who boast about thrashing people verbally,,(like that makes a difference,, its only words)
i would love to read the nastyboys taking on ATF or one of the other slashing pens to be found over in the poetry blogs,,street thug meets martial arts expert
signed kilgore trout
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backtothepoint 26 September 2010 8:12PM
@brusselsexpat
Well you know I kinda thought Communism was all about sharing with the masses and not leading a privileged lifestyle that your brothers couldn't afford. If Communism is leading the good life in France with weeks of holiday thrown in to chill out in Andalusia, sign me up for the revolution - Comrade.
The reason I've lumped you together with Bracken and bitey is that you use the same kind of dishonest, underhand arguments.
What the hell would you know about sharing with the masses? Have you ever been on strike for weeks on end, unable to pay your rent and working twice as hard as usual to win the strike? Have you gone on demo after demo to try and protect jobs and wages, say no to racism or international injustice? Have you helped organise families in a highly underprivileged area so they can get the family benefits to which they're entitled? Have you ever lived on a sink estate? Stayed on or even visited one? Have you ever damaged your career possibilities by representing a trade union and taking on the boss to improve working conditions? Have you put in thousands of unpaid hours in meetings, writing newsletters and letters, and bringing court and administrative actions, all for the common good?
Yes, I lead a good life in France. But not because I'm well-off - just comfortable these days - not because I'm privileged - I'm not - but because I like my life and hope I'm doing some good.
As for your weasel words about "weeks of holiday", I've already told you - but you choose to ignore it for your own clumsily devious purposes - these days, I do a job I can do anywhere with an Internet connection and my laptop. So I can go and stay with friends in Spain and Portugal for six weeks and still work. Is that a problem?
What do you think you bring to society, brusselsexpat? In what way would the world be a worse place if you'd never lived? That's the question I think anyone with a little decency should ask themselves.
Good post, monkeyfish, Islamisation of Britain is a nonsense. Although the piece does make those of us even notionally muslim sound like in-bred useless fucks. (Hell, we probably are.)
Indubitably, sheff, woell need somewhere to park the chariot - the broomsticks are in for their annual service prior to All Hallowes.
habib
One of the problems with the Bradford infant mortality research, IIRC, is that it's based on a small sample of births in one hospital (Airedale?). Also there are many different types of 'genetic abnormalities'.
"Although the piece does make those of us even notionally muslim sound like in-bred useless fucks."
There is that Habib..although I sorta assumed it implicit that that he applied the same reservations about any group that draws profound moral and ethical guidance from very old books of dubious origin and 'intent'.
In other news, I find this so depressing....'No lurch to left, vows new Labour leader Ed Miliband'
On CiF some of the comments are so sick it is beyond belief that people actually believe things like this from @keepgoingright grassgarth 26 September 2010 6:27PM
Why is the right so good and any move to the left seen as some evil backward step when all the evidence points to the exact opposite?
Sprouts has just informed her new waddya mate that she has 'sources' that inform her of everything that's said about her here.Bollox! She lurks here regularly just like Kiz and MIE do.Trouble is-and i may well be wrong- i've never seen a Belgian flag in the Visitors box.Often see ones from Greece and Spain mind.
LENI
Sprouts also said that the ATOS issue had been dominating the threads and in her opinion we should be taking it to the Courts and streets instead.Stupid cow!She's pissed ofF that the realities facing the sick and disabled were acting as an unwelcome interlude to all the mindless drivel she spews out with momotonous regularity.;-)
monkeyfish
Cheers for the earlier link.Have only skimmed through it so far but it looks interesting.Will spend more time on it later.
"Trouble is-and i may well be wrong- i've never seen a Belgian flag in the Visitors box."
Scunthorpe doesn't have its own flag any more...they lost the right to fly it in 1407 when the Duchy of Scunthorpe was annexed by Henry IV following the suppression of the Tea Ladies' Revolt...its cat rampant against a backdrop of a dingy bedsit sinister is only ever raised above Scunthorpe Minster on the feast day of St Imelda of the Blessed Handbag.
Anyone posting from Scunthorpe would appear as a Union Flag.
"But really they are not worth it. By all means attack them if they come on here to slag you off but don't worry what they say about you on what is by comparison to CiF, an obscure blog."
Three guesses where that came from and who wrote it!
Hmm, well, I didn't see the unexpurgated version of last night's battle of the wits on here, but I'm just perusing waddya, and it's clear that someone on here is suffering from the poverty of expectations.
Get yourself a fucking backbone and try for a little self-respect, Paul. You've been let down by Kiz and Bru, but even so, you still haven't sussed that there's no glory to be had in being Hermione's houseboy.
I don't get you. Why are you so desperate for approval?
You can get a pretty clear idea from the threads here. Martyn was totally out of order with Paul, to an extent that shocked me and I'm not easily shocked (see his post here yesterday at 23.54).
And actually, I enjoy Hermione's posts. What have you got against her?
Dear oh dear.Thought better of you mate.My main gripe with waddya is with the double standards that exist with moderation there.That cretinous toerags like Kiz/Bru/MIE get away with regularly rubbishing this site yet play 'victim' when there is any comeback.I don't put Hermione in that bracket and quite frankly i find your obsession with her bordering on the unhealthy.
I,ve got more backbone than you could ever dream of.Trust me on that and tbh icouldn't care less what you think of me.
She'a a vacuous attention seeker who was cheerleading for the coalition for a week or so until she realised the tide of opinion on Cif was turning against the coalition. At which point, she reverted to the usual cynical one-liners criticising the coalition.
She also posted something on Cif this week celebrating the possibility that a homophobe who'd been sent to prison would be raped up his arse.
I think she's a populist idiot with no principles.
It's no wonder she's so popular with the waddya crowd.
@Hank:fwiw, I thought Paul handled that spat with some spine and came out of it with his dignity intact. The same cannot be said for "MIE" who well and truly blotted his copy book last night. Totally out of order but he didn't get "modded" on here. He had to "mod" his post himself. That's what I love about this site; it proves that censorship is not only unecessary but also counter productive. Actually, it proves no such thing other than that I loath CIF and for having the gall to name it "comment is free" when they know fine well that comment is censored.
Paul - you've spent how many months straddling this site and waddya? You've been desperately seeking approval from some of us on here and some of them over there.
"I've got more backbone than you could ever dream of."
Prove it then. Grow up. Stop whoring your opinions in return for online popularity.
@chekhov - maybe so. I'm not saying that Paul's at fault here. Sounds like Martyn made a complete arse of himself.
My point about Paul stands though. Paul had a bit of an uppity fit recently because Kiz and Bru had let him down. All the sucking up to them counted for nothing.
He needs to know what he stands for himself, not what might make him popular with people whose opinions are basically worthless anyway.
Hmm. Do I whore as well? I spend a lot of time on Whaddya.
Mind you, I don't seek approval. It's a bit like Sammy Davis Jr. when he was the guest on a chat show. The host said, "And now, one-eyed, Jewish and black, it's... Sammy Davis Jr."
He came on and stage-whispered, "Better not tell them I'm a communist right now."
I quite like Hermione. She comes up with some great one liners and doesn't take herself too seriously. Pretty harmless and amusing stuff IMHO! I checked out her profile which had a link to her website: she's obviously just taking the piss, and quite good at it too, since so many people take the bait!
My point about Paul stands though. Paul had a bit of an uppity fit recently because Kiz and Bru had let him down. All the sucking up to them counted for nothing.
Sorry you've lost me.It certainly pisses me off that Kiz/Bru/MIE get away with what they do on waddya.But how can i feel let down by people i never got on with in the first place?I did offer them a truce it has to be said but i can assure you it wasn't because i was seeking their approval.
Nah you need to be honest here Hank.Your main gripe with me is that i get on with Hermione.Always has been.Well get used to it pal cos that ain't gonna change.I like her and i stand by people i like even when it's just online.
And btw you may not be aware of this but i've defended you on more times than i care to mention on CIF.I know you don't need me or anyone else to fight your corner but fwiw i think more people like you are needed btl on cif.Oh and don't take that as a grovelling compliment on my part because it ain't.You might act like a cunt sometimes but i reckon you're a likeable one at heart. .
Why offer them a truce, Paul? Stand by your principles.
If I've lost you, then I think there's a clue in the line above.
As for the idea that my gripe with you is based on the fact that you get on with Hermione...well, you don't so much get on with her as act as her houseboy.
@Spike - do you whore yourself? I dunno. I haven't read enough of your stuff. It's really for you to decide.
chekhov -- I've been trying for days to remember where that came from too. I think it was a publicity thing for some town -- and that followed . Inevitably .
Naming kids after the places they were conceived -- maybe Paris Hilton, Chelsea Clinton, what family name would you call a kid with firstname ' Scunthorpe' ?
Anyway this website might be an obscure blog according to "Bru" but it's a hundred percent more honest and open than the sham that masquerades as "Comment is Free"!
Paul - well, thanks for that but seriously, don't bother on my account.
I got banned from Cif because, ultimately, I don't fit in on Cif.
Cif is dominated by hermione, kiz and bru. Bland timewasters who have never got angry about anything because they've never had cause to be angry.
You're a regular on waddya, Paul. Does it ever puzzle you that your friends in the sandpit never post anything on the politics/ecopnomics threads?
Sure, some of your playmates might post some anodyne shite on the well-worn ground of identity politics threads, the usual easy cliches beloved of superannuated liberals who've never had an original idea in their lives.
But they never post anything on the threads where the big boys come out to play because they would be exposed for the fucking braindead Heat magazine reading idiots they are.
Catching up a bit on the last few days, I note that a few days ago, buried in a lengthy post, you alleged that I kiz and Bru were "now being aided" by me and that I had been "increasingly backing" them.
Quite apart from the question as to why one should act in support of your quest to determine things like Bru's location or sexuality, your claim is nonsensical, on account of the fact that - I'm barely on waddya these days, in part because of a lack of interest in the spats - as I pointed out in the post a while back you took issue with, kiz's numerous attempts to chide me put the kibosh on any thoughts of support
Not that this means I have any issue with them or you, despite your occasional potshots out of the blue which I have thus far declined to indulge. So, being mindful that you seem to have various disagreements going on already it'd be great if you could leave me out of your ongoing battles etc. kthanx.
"well, you don't so much get on with her as act as her houseboy."
Two references to "houseboy" now. What happened around these parts, were there some white pointy hats going spare? Some petrol drenched crosses left over?
In life there are different ways of skinning a cat.My offer of a truce to Kiz/Bru wasn't because i wanted their approval but because there are issues i care about,that i want to raise on waddya,and the spats with them were getting in the way.It's as simple as that.And with regard to Hermione she's in a totally league to Kiz and Bru.She has her niche on cif and good luck to her as far i'm concerned.FFS what's wrong with having a laugh with someone?
Sorry i'll rephrase that.You pissed me off because you stated on waddya that me and others here on the UT were using the issue of ATOS to 'have a go' on waddya.So why don't you do me a favour and fuck off back to where you came from.
Sorry i'll rephrase that.You pissed me off because you stated on waddya that me and others here on the UT were using the issue of ATOS to 'have a go' on waddya.So why don't you do me a favour and fuck off back to where you came from.
Well of course you had to "rephrase" it, because it was rubbish.
You are still talking rubbish, because I NEVER alleged what you claim. I never mentioned anything about others on UT using ATOS, and only mentioned YOU in that regard, and said that it came across badly. I made clear I wasn't challenging your motives.
Just stop making stuff up, and dragging up the past. It's just a waste of everyone's time.
The reason for the carnage is easily revealed if you follow UT at all. Read UT, and you can see Paul and metro et al whipping each other into a frenzy about all things "kiz and Brussels"... the ATOS stuff mostly comes across as an excuse to have a go. You can also see Jenn joining in, talking about what she thinks are the best ways to have a go, and joking that they start some trouble.
You sad little man.I rarely get involved in 'cyber wars' and when i do there's usually good reason.Most people at UT are decent and i can assure we do not spend our days' whipping each other other up into a frenzy about trivia.' I find your cheap jibe about ATOS highly offensive as some of us have been fighting to get these appalling medicals stopped for a damn sight longer than you have been posting here.And some of us are campaigning elsewhere as well.
If you haven,t got anything better to do with your time can i suggest you at least get your facts straight.Or better still get a life.
The above in bold is your post on waddya on the 26 August and the bit in italics is my reply.So the bullshit eh?
I know what i believe in and i know what i fight for and that's all that counts.I don't need to justify myself to you or anyone else and if you're gonna continue disrespecting me you can fuck right off pal.Wanker!
The reason for the carnage is easily revealed if you follow UT at all. Read UT, and you can see Paul and metro et al whipping each other into a frenzy about all things "kiz and Brussels"... the ATOS stuff mostly comes across as an excuse to have a go. You can also see Jenn joining in, talking about what she thinks are the best ways to have a go, and joking that they start some trouble.
You sad little man.I rarely get involved in 'cyber wars' and when i do there's usually good reason.Most people at UT are decent and i can assure we do not spend our days' whipping each other other up into a frenzy about trivia.' I find your cheap jibe about ATOS highly offensive as some of us have been fighting to get these appalling medicals stopped for a damn sight longer than you have been posting here.And some of us are campaigning elsewhere as well.
If you haven,t got anything better to do with your time can i suggest you at least get your facts straight.Or better still get a life.
The above in bold is your post on waddya on the 26 August and the bit in italics is my reply.So the bullshit eh?
First of all, quote the WHOLE post, so you can give the context, wherein I was giving my account of how things screw up in unintentional ways on the net. And I included myself in that.
Secondly, I referred to ATOS in reference to you because none of the other few mentioned were talking about it at the time.
At the time you tried to pretend that I was trying to attack the interest in the ATOS campaign and that is not true.
I am well aware people are concerned with it, and your attempt to try claim I think otherwise is risible. A habit of yours in which you try and cloak yourself in righteousness.
You did the same to Bru the other day, when she simply asserted that she wasn't a trannie etc., to which you responded something along the lines of having a go at her for being against trannies and gays.
Not that this means I'm backing Bru. I've seen other things that I can understand might give people pause.
My point, was that your interest in ATOS would have been better deployed by decoupling from spats, since others weren't impressed by it either.
NOWHERE did I say that you actually had no interest in the campaign.
And I made that clear at the time.
But we went through all this and it's a deflection because the claim I took issue with initially holds no water.
You seem to love spats Paul. First you make an unfounded allegation, then dredge up some more nonsense from the past we had already been through.
"Who cares what bru thinks ? I don't one little bit. "
Neither do I. I was just trying to make the point that this site has more integrity than the CIF guff aspires to Stuff kicks off now again on here and it can get end in a sort of cyber bloodbath but so what? At least we don't have to hold our tongues and we get the opportunity to apologize if we crossed the line. Long live the UT website and thanks to Montana for setting it up!!
FFS you're like an itch that won't go away.I'm busy with more important stuff right now.What i quoted was what you said.And before i saw it ididn't know you from adam and had never engaged with you.Now please do fuck off!
Congratulations for getting my point Paul: that we both have better things to be doing.
That was my point. I have better things to be doing than being dragged into your battles, and you have better things to be doing that trying to drag me into them.
And also, when that doesn't work, better things to be doing that dragging up the past, and trying to claim I was assaulting the whole of UT, when I only referred to a single exchange between a couple of people, or the campaign on ATOS, which I actually support and simply pointed out I didn't think your approach was necessarily ideal.
So, if you really believe you have better things to be doing, perhaps you will do us both a favour and desist from potshots, since I have not been doing them to you.
Please don't insult me by insinuating that i spend my time ramming my ethnicity down other peoples throats all the time here.I don't.Some people even here don't even know I'm British just like you .
This may come as a complete surprise to you but you are rarely if ever mentioned in the conversations here.And if you hadn't decided to come a visiting tonight it actually wouldn't have entered my head to mention you now.You're an irrelevence mate .Nite !
This may come as a complete surprise to you but you are rarely if ever mentioned in the conversations here.And if you hadn't decided to come a visiting tonight it actually wouldn't have entered my head to mention you now.You're an irrelevence mate .Nite !
NIce try and misrepresenting again, Paul. I wasn't just talking about you having a go on UT, but on Waddya as well. And I wasn't campaigning for relevance, either.
As for you saying it wouldn't have come into your head to mention me if I hadn't been here, my initial post tonite was in response to something you said about me the other day when I hadn't been around a while, so that doesn't work either.
I mean, you can keep making stuff up to have a go about, but it's not going to help either of us. Especially since I'm not doing that to you.
Just shut up a minute eh!When have either me or habib ever submitted a post completely out of the blue that was about you and was in any way disrespectful ?
Is that it Hank? You've used your one liner - again. I tell you what, I'll go for another smoke and no restrictions this time, come on I have faith in you being original again!
Oh come on boys stop flailing your willies around. "machismo" is such a retro tactic. Fucking hell I sound like a rabid "feminazi" and I'm a bloke"! I have a sense that I might regret this post and the response tommorrow but I like to live dangerously, so what the heck!
@Paul - you can post all the disrespectful stuff you want to post about me. None of that would bother me. What bothers me is empty stuff, postbags full of nothing at all.
If you want to row about politics, I'm happy to do so.
What pisses me off is being harangued by people who are so lonely that their social lives are defined by being acknowledged by right-wing transvestites on Cif.
"What pisses me off is being harangued by people who are so lonely that their social lives are defined by being acknowledged by right-wing transvestites on Cif."
Oh, I see what you mean, chekhov, not even Paul warrants originality... :-(
What pisses me off is being harangued by people who are so lonely that their social lives are defined by being acknowledged by right-wing transvestites on Cif.
Duh! You started this so please don't do a Kiz/Bru/MIE/Hevers and twist things around to make out you're the innocent party here.And your above jibe actually demeans you.I freely admit i don't have much of aa social life at the moment but i can assure you i'm not lonely.And likewise your snipe-again- at Hermione doesn't warrant a reply.I really have no idea where you're coming from Hank but please don't focus your own crap on other people.Be a man and deal with it yourself like the rest of us have too.
Seriously man i don't have any serious issues with you so no more posts like the earlier one ok?I like Hermione,she makes me laugh,and as a grown man i don;t need to justify who i like to you.And yes you are a cunt at times but a likeable one who's also a fucking good poster.I don't for the life of me know why you've chosen to go for me tonight nor for habib for that matter.Surely the UT is big enough to accomodate the three of us?
Seriously man i don't have any serious issues with you so no more posts like the earlier one ok?I like Hermione,she makes me laugh,and as a grown man i don;t need to justify who i like to you.
Says the guy who won't stap talking about me. Even when I am not around.
Sorry mate i might have misread your last post.I'm signing off now.Ignore the crap Hank's giving you tonight.tbh i don't think he's racist but maybe i've missed something -i dunno.Too many mind games on these threads.Take care my friend:-)
You braindead moronic fuckwit i don't keep posting stuff about you. Now please either go away or produce your evidence and post it here and then i'll respond OK? Jeez i think i've got me first internet stalker
Nice try, but the whole point is that you have been harranguing me, stop trying to pretend it's the other way around. I gave an example in my first post in this thread.
Red Riding is great. Watched episode 1: 1974. It certainly took me back to those halcyon days of casual racism and flares! I'd heard a lot about the Yorkshire police, so is Red Riding actually a documentary?
You lot certainly enjoy trading insults, don't you? G'night!
(came through for fruit and couldn't resist refreshing the thread)
@MartynInEurope:
ReplyDeleteYour comment to Paul was unjustified and indefensible. Perhaps, not being American, you don't fully appreciate just how deeply offensive that particular word is, but I doubt it. I think you know full well what an ugly word it is and the history behind it.
Nothing that Paul said was anti-Welsh 'racism'. He addressed your comment, not your ethnicity. I'm a bit amazed that even someone as dense as you could possibly have interpreted what he said in that way.
You need help. Seriously.
Just for the record - again - Martyn. You're a puffed up fat welsh tart who is beyond parody.
ReplyDeleteHow the city of Cordoba has accepted you into her most sylph like and yet brilliantine heart is beyond me; yet there's that other big fat fucking poove living in Brussels too. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, and the whole world is a re-run of it's a knock-out and I’m Stuart Hall.
Stranger things have happened.
The other thing, while we’re at it, and while you’ve broadcast it all over the internet, your music is shite. Abysmal.
I can only imagine Moroccans and Tunisians flooding to the shores of Spain and Portugal in the early eighties only to encounter the daytime TV soaps; the soundtracks of which your infinitesimally unpleasant twiddling would properly match – these could only drive them back onto the boat and rediscover everything from John Lee hooker to Hendrix
Sorry fat boy but these are the facts. Stick to the city, cos you sure don’t make it in music and you sure don’t make it on paper.
OK.
There have always been lots of people offering advice on how to use the internet and telling people what they should and should not do.
ReplyDeleteThe Guardian even publishes little articles about it from time to time, which include gems such as: Don't spread witless drivel.
However, the simplest advice is probably something like this: The internet has an off switch. Use it.
If people are undergoing some kind of mental breakdown or their lives are free-falling and going into meltdown, it is probably wise not to catalogue and archive this on the internet as it happens for the world to see.
Of course, this is the generous interpretation. This is making allowances for the actions of people who may, in fact, simply be running true to form and showing what they are really made of simply by momentarily letting their guard slip.
You would then be led to wonder whether someone, for example, displaying their right-on, rad-fem-supporting credentials for the umpteenth, yawning time was simply using those to disguise their inherent racism and homophobia and the fact that they cannot keep a lid on their nasty little tempers and have to have public tantrums smeared across the internet.
Of course, we should all aspire to be forgiving and accommodating, to think the best of someone.
Sometimes, though, you just have to go with your instincts, your gut reactions.
Some people just run true to form when they lose control.
Spectacular own goal Martyn - you came across as a mean spirited, small minded, petty and petulant racist fool. I doubt that any true Welshmen would rally to your flag.
ReplyDeleteBy implication of your 'House' slur you don't just insult Paul personally (and vilely) you insult the collective intelligence and tolerance of all UT's......a silly thing to do
Paul - an admirable dignified and coolheaded walk away. Good on you.
Here's something to make your blood curdle of a sunday morning. Daniel Hannan MEP has a new book out- The new road to serfdom
ReplyDeleteHere's the blurb:
The brand new book by the Young Britons’ Foundation’s President, Daniel Hannan, is now available to pre-order from Amazon.
The New Road to Serfdom: A Letter of Warning to America is a must read for Tea Party activists and anyone who is concerned about the threat of the spread of European style socialism brought about by President Obama. In his newest book, Hannan pleads with Americans to not abandon the founding principles that have made America the finest example of liberty for the rest of the world.
Daniel Hannan became a celebrity overnight in March 2009 from when he attacked the then Prime Minister Gordon Brown on the floor of the European Parliament. The You Tube clip became a sensation and spread to America which lead to whirlwind appearances on FOX news and other news outlets.
So not only is the bold Daniel making his personal appeal to the USA heard but he is also comparing himself to Hayek.
the threat of the spread of European style socialism brought about by President Obama.
Unbelievable.
You might also want to be aware that the Young Britons Foundation or the "Tory hate madrassa" is having its annual conference 10-12th December.
Guest speakers include cuddly old Eric Pickles and Matthew Elliott of Taxpayers Alliance.
In other words this lunatic organisation (and I mean lunatic-check their stuff out) has official approval of the Conservative Party hierarchy.
"......The current debate spotlights the challenges of addressing poverty in middle-income countries such as China, India and Brazil, where economic growth is strong but wealth is unequally spread. After the U.S., China has the world's most billionaires, yet incomes averaged just $3,600 last year.
ReplyDeleteRoughly three-quarters of the world's 1.3 billion poor people now live in middle-income countries, according to Andy Sumner, a fellow at the Institute of Development Studies at the University of Sussex in the U.K......."
Full Guard Article here
Providing aid to a country with the worlds second highest number of billionaires is not an easy sell in hard times....
An uncomfortable "international-aid debate" for the affluent of the world since it introduces the possibility of attention being drawn to the unequal distribution of wealth within countries.
Blimey. Ed did it. Interesting.
ReplyDelete9% turnout from the unions - is that as bad as it looks or do they usually not give a flying one? I note that there's an article up saying the union vote 'was not a block vote' - given that it was less than one in ten of those eligible to vote, not even a lego-brick vote, looks like...
have tried to interrogate data with thingy from work but it's all set out funncy and i seem to have misassigned 581 votes somewhere and it's too early to try to work out how to fix it. may get that sorted at some point.
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OK...so your mind's unravelling and your silly little internet persona or personae along with it..I can accept that...but why do you want to exhibit your breakdown online?..are you hoping a study group of psychologists will use your little episode as a case study?...is that the limit of your ambition...a footnote in a scholarly text on interweb-induced personality disorders?
If not..I'll admit..you've got me; I'm totally stumped. Unless it's another one of your 'cunning plans'?
Do you have any idea just how much of a cunt you're making of yourself?..and by implication CIF..which chose to use you as a contributor..how d'you think Jess is gonna feel when it turns out another one of her pet house-spam is just another egocentric flake with the IQ of a traffic bollard?
Do the decent thing mate..hand back the 'C', then go and lie down and relax..show a little bit of class..just for once, eh Martyn.
Oh come on!
ReplyDelete"House nigger"?
And BW, do you think "big fat fucking poove" is much better?
I'm no shrinking violet, but that kind of stuff really is offensive.
Martyn, IMO, Paul addressed your argument. Wrongly, but he addressed it. If I haven't missed something, he unfairly suggested you might mean that the Welsh were genetically non-capitalist when you'd actually said, word for word, "not by genes, but by culture".
So that's annoying, but it's certainly not a racist insult to the Welsh.
So a racist insult in response, FFS? Are you determined to alienate people?
And BW, if you think brusselsexpat is a man, call them a "fucking wanker" or somesuch, but you might stay off the Bernard Manning stuff.
If I've missed anything, someone correct me.
Anyway, footie in half an hour.
Martyn
ReplyDeleteAB and the others have nailed you - in spades.
have just gone back to see what kicked off the comments to MIE, and...
ReplyDeleteFFS. do people actually think it's acceptable to use that word in discourse? ...................
FFS.
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ReplyDeleteShhh phillipa! She watches it the next day and doesn't like spoilers...
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ReplyDelete"So a racist insult in response, FFS? Are you determined to alienate people?"
ReplyDeleteNO..he just wants some attention...I think he's finally realised that his 'reputation'-something along the lines of a polymath, man-of-the-world, internet-guru and sex symbol (how else d'you explain the pouting avatars?)-only ever held any currency within his foetid but fertile degenerate imagination. Now he's had to settle for simply getting someone to respond to him.
Since the vast majority of his many many posts are inconsequential gibberish seasoned with the odd joke that falls flat on its face, he has taken to 'controversy' as a means of provoking some interaction...Think: toddler in the corner of the playgroup screaming "Look at me, look at me" as he pisses himself...and don't forget...this is a 'valued' CIF contributor we're talking about..
Personally I can't wait for his next outing above the line. I'm comin back especially for that one, just to suggest he fucks his mother or that he might do us all a favour and contract bowel cancer...nothing too abusive you understand...just the odd robust rejoinder of the type so skilfully employed in the past by the man himself...I'm sure he'll join the howls of protest when the moderators delete them.
Martyn
ReplyDelete"A prophet is ever without honour in his own land."
Don't let it get you down mate..we're just a bunch of philistines who can't properly appreciate your genius..maybe you should stick to WADDAYA..that lofty circle where you can converse with philosophical giants, the likes of EXpat and Napoleon Dynamite..who seem to think you've got something interesting to say.
You're wasted on us Martyn...not that I want you to disappear all together...next door's dog just died..and who else am I gonna kick when I'm pissed off?
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ReplyDeleteHere we have the internet phenomenon which is Martyn Richard Jones showing the world how to mix "humour" and racism on WADDYA:
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26 September 2010 1:42AM
BellaM: At this time o night, is we being moderated from India by someone who are a passing acquaintance with English, as she am spoke?
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Yes, rather than Martyn Richard Jones or MartynInEurope or whatever name he wants to use changing avatars every ten minutes in an attempt to become the poster-old-man of the international zimmer set, wouldn't it be easier to just settle on one avatar and one user name?
Perhaps a picture of a turd and the name "LittleRacistTosser" would cover it.
Paul, warm words last night, big hug back atcha, buddy!
ReplyDeleteAfternoon all
ReplyDeleteBlimey! That was a pretty vicious - and unless I have missed something, utterly unprovoked - attack from MIE last night.
So we have the lesser crested Milibandii as leader. Let's see what he has to say for himself over the next few weeks. I'm glad it wasn't his brother, though.
Hello everyone, I don't post on "wadya" anymore but could someone who does suggest that Jessica and Natalie take a look at this site and see how unmitigated freedom of speech works out rather well.
ReplyDeleteI've no doubt they do keep an eye on whats going on over here (in fact I'd be surprized if they didn't) but having it pointed out to them in full view of their worldwide blogging contributors might help them have a little think about the absurdity of those trigger happy "Mods"
I don't mind if you just blockquote the above and copy and paste it.
We could open a book on how long it takes to get modded!
BTW:I'm still in "pre-mod" after almost a year otherwise I'd post it myself.
ReplyDeleteAt least if some else does it, it stands a chance of slipping through the net.
have just tried making samosa for the first time. trigonometry not being my forte, they are shaped like little cornish pasties. any UT-ers know how to achieve the nice 'wrapover triangle' effect of the real thing?
ReplyDelete(not that i'm deep-frying them, either. that would be too risky. but 'curried mince in pastry parcel' doesn't sound half as flash as 'samosa')
LOL !
ReplyDeleteMany times I've been tempted to link here when I see someone who'd maybe find it useful to liaise on Disability 'lobbying' to Jess, but had forgotten I'd apparently done so to Martyn. Not 'my' place, so I can't 'invite' anybody in .
I'm against all mobbing. It's too easy . Some like peterbracken and martyn seem to go looking for flame-wars, other more-innocent bods get done over for misguided comments , but I treat them the same . Either ignore, or gently probe their argument.
One of my wives/mistresses/gf's once told me 'there's a difference between saying or doing a cuntish thing and being for ever a cunt" (translated from the frog) , so I do believe in Redemption, I think !
Anyway, can I be UT House Frog ? Spike can be House Commie Frog ?
Philippa -- I tried chapattis last night, to go with some curry which arrived yesterday . ( The girls provided food for the deep-freeze, inter-generational birthday solidarity ...)
ReplyDeleteTHe next attempt can only bemore successful ...
This is in thanks for veetle, phillipa.
ReplyDeleteaw, cheers, gillesboy!
ReplyDeletehave to say, having found veetle, it's a lot less aggravation than sopcast. haven't had one break down on me yet (touches wood). have had a very productive day what with three matches being on...
dave - I usually give up and use pitta bread...
ReplyDeleteplanned curry evening could be slightly hampered by the chicken not defrosting properly, but am thinking room temperature thoughts in its direction at the minute...
"A mind that is stretched to a new idea never returns to its original dimension."
ReplyDeleteThat's among my favourite aphorisms. Perhaps it should replace the vulgar strapline UT currently wears as a badge of (er, misguided) honour.
Bitterweed: would you be kind enough to post the names of the people who'll be attending next weekend's bash?
ReplyDeleteMy security detail needs advance warning. TIA.
When the man with the violin case nods at you, bitterweed, be sure to duck.
ReplyDeleteYeah and i've heard Anne is absolutely lethal with her handbag at these UT get togethers.;-)
ReplyDeleteSpike, yes, sorry about the pooftah thing, heat of the moment and all that. "fucking wanker" doesn't have the same impact unfortunately, and is also onanist in connotation.
ReplyDeletePeter
I have no idea, so will be calling in an old favour and using my Mossad assets.
Just to add insult to injury and prove what a deluded clown he really is, little manic Martyn is now using Malcolm X as his avatar on CiF.
ReplyDeleteI was very upset by last night - hope everyone - particularly Paul - is feeling ok today.
ReplyDeletefar too many things dividing people - all easy pickings for those wanting to make personal attacks.
Peter
ReplyDeletenow have a vision of a small pub surrounded by bullet proof cars and men in hats lurking in the shadows.
Leni
ReplyDeleteThat's pretty much Northampton.
Bitters
ReplyDeleteYou town dwellers obviously lead colourful lives - the most excitement we have here is when Scotland play Wales - a few shouting matches and a Scottish resident infuriating folk by walking around the village playing the pipes.
Afternoon everyone.
ReplyDeleteI missed Martyns disgraceful post yesterday, I think Paul dealt with it pretty well.
I think Dave is right that you can do shitty things without being a total shit but a history of abusiveness has to be taken into account.
Hi Leni, I have often wanted to live in a village, having only experienced life in big towns or cities.
Jenni
ReplyDeleteVillage life can be very predictable - you always know who you will meet at the shops - lots of gossip (generally repetitive), the same people kicking off in the pub etc.
I have worked in towns but never lived in one - spent some time in L'pool with my niece Jenni - I hadn't seen her for a few years and she told me I am a country bumpkin. I tend to forget about the traffic - I hate shopping and noise.
Come and stay with me next summer - will take you to the black mountain where you can bathe your feet in a mountain pool and then go for a drink in a great pub miles from anywhere.
I was upset by Martyn's attack on Paul - have chatted with him for several years on Cif and never detected racism in his posts.
What a lovely offer Leni, I will take you up on that.
ReplyDeleteYou make Wales sound wonderful, is it a bit scary in the Winter though?
I haven't had much to do with Martyn but like you I was suprised by his racist comment (as well as the one Atomboy highlighted earlier), it isn't nice to see someone self-destruct in the way he has been doing.
Bitters
ReplyDeleteI'll swop you my old KGB assets for your Mossad connections. Although i suspect PBrax wants to assess what he perceives to be the intellectual weight of the party. Most of us are probably too lightweight for him.
Leni
ReplyDeleteI can tell you are upset, despite the fact that you showed you usual calmness and dignity and restraint.
Both you and Frog2, perhaps, feel that I should have shown more circumspection but what I cannot get around is the simple fact that any half decent person would choke on saying the word in a rage, let alone undertake the process of typing it out and sending it.
It is not something you can simply bluster and shrug your way out of with excuses of drink or provocation.
When you couple this with what monkeyfish has pointed out above, a pattern of nastiness emerges.
They used to say that policemen, doctors and teachers[?] were the most likely to use domestic violence because they were used to people doing as they were told and could not cope when questioned or disobeyed.
So what is Martyn Richard Jones's excuse?
That he thought his 18 000 posts on CiF made him some kind of super-hero at the vanguard of a new virtual master-race?
A nasty little piece of work seems to be nearer the mark.
By the way, Paul, I agree with Deano that you handled it well and offer my apologies on behalf of the vast majority of decent people that you were treated like that.
Jenni
ReplyDeletewe seem to get our best weather here in May and June.
Scary in winter ? No - not at all. The scariest thing here is a guy we call Dai Papers - he's about 80 and a chapel going puritan who waxes lyrical on the evils of modernity.
Can be drab in grey wet winters but when it snows it is wonderful. e have hills and forests - and mountain bikers who sometimes bump into the bumpkins but otherwise it's quite safe !
Atoms
ReplyDeletemartyn has no excuse. He is still making cryptic remarks about 'house slaves' on waddya.
He fails to understand that slavery says more about the slave owners than the slaves .
We all respond to these things in our own way- my response is usually a feeling of uselessness in combatting it.
Listening to P Tosh singing 'Stepping Razor' - makes me really, really want to be dangerous . Sadly I offer no threat to anyone - be it bloody politicians or racists.
Mistake, Paul. Get it taken down.
ReplyDeletePaul
ReplyDeletecan't see your post on waddya.
Perhaps you can let it go ?
xx
Leni I was thinking of getting cut off, I know the stuff in my kitchen would only keep me going for a couple of days, I guess my towniness is showing. ;)
ReplyDeleteAll this talk about wealth, political systems and ATOS etc. has made me look at my own situation. I have realised that in the monetary sense I am poor. It had never really struck me before.
ReplyDeletehave books, music , a garden and the wealth of the countryside around me. I'm not interested in consumerism .
I have worked with disadvantaged kids, refgees and mentally ill kids from around the world. I have railed and campaigned on their behalf , stamped about a lot - had some successes and many failures on their behalf. Odd isn't it - how we see our own situation ?
Jenni
ReplyDeleteWe have been cut off a couple of times - our road out of the village sometimes collapses - not gone hungry yet. Worry not - I will make sure you eat - and have wine. Once - before I came here the village was cut off completely - helicopters delivered bread etc.
Hi All
ReplyDeletePaul, I agree with Leni, might be best to let it go. You handled it well, lets move on.
Leni, yes long time no speak. Life (offline)intervenes at the best times. Hope you are well. How many folk in your village? 1400 or so where I live, can understand about seeing same faces and such. BTW--Not being a threat to any one isn't always a bad trait, that's why you're respected and listened to. By most anyway.
Evening all.
ReplyDeleteI see it's been quiet round here ...
Paul - go calmly young sir.
ReplyDeleteThe mods will be unconcerned about what is said here on UT or how vile and provocative it was. They will not see the nasty baiting that was plain in the MalcomX link.
It would give the sad sick man pleasure if he could get you on the naughty step or better still banned. He would consider it clever.
leni my dear young miss poor you maybe but you are rich in all the characteristics that define decent and generous human being. I think it's called being star, a thing of fine internal shine and clarity, I'm not the only one to think your quite a gem.
If you can't get out to join us at one of our UT get togethers then we'll have to organise one in the valleys when Jen is visiting you.
@Monkeyfish;what format is that link in?
ReplyDeleteI can't open it. Do I need to download some software?
Chekhov - it looks like a pdf document. You can download Adobe reader for free and that will allow you to read it.
ReplyDeleteIt looks an interesting read but at 35 pages I've bookmarked the link for a quite read later.
Hi Chin glad to read you got a new computer/acess to the mighty net.
ReplyDeleteGood to see you around again.
Boudi
ReplyDeleteWe are about 900 here.
We have a forester (manager) here who wants to make us a second Whistler. Won't happen of course - too much investment needed and the Forestry Commission charges heavy licence fees for anybody operatin business in the forests. They kill initiatives - even though they are now effectively a branch of the Assembly.
Tim the Forest often visits your area - takes thousands of pics of individual trees. Drives his wife to distraction so he shows them to me - I am odd enough to see different things in each one.
i would like to see the forestry developed in a more natural way - there are lots of small micro climates up on the hills - with wonderful things like slimemoulds and lichens. This in itself could bring visitors .
Much of the premining history is buried in the forests - old farm houses blown up when the plantations were first laid out' Roman remains and relics of the Cistercian monks who used to own the area. The trees also cloak many of the natural rock formations.
We still have remnants of the Coed Morganwg - ancient oak forests - alder groves etc. which speak of the pre Christian era.
Landscapes shaped by man - a whole subject in itself.
A few miles away we have the remnants of old powder works - built along a swift flowing river. It consists of a series of small workshops - if one blew up the all important construction could continue next door. Only the walls are left standing - each roof was designed to blow off easily in the case of an accident - next to each workshop there were pools - for the people set on fire when the powder blew to throw themselves into in the hope of saving their life.
Hi Boudican - hope you and yours had a great time in Seattle.
ReplyDeleteDid you see the new link PeterJ recently introduced us to that links to a new Northern Lights observatory at Yellowknife?
Hi deano--Fine picture of Mungo in the field. He has a regal, proud bearing about him. Are you sure Nelson's coat wouldn't be appropriate?
ReplyDeleteRead several pages of the piece from Monkeyfish. Very good. Will read the rest this evening.
Lovely fall day, so out with the dog, then football. The other sort. Later.
Do you know, small things can often drive you crazy, I have just been to the shop to get some cereal for the morning and they have changed the packaging and hiked up the price.
ReplyDeleteYou probably wouldn't notice unless you were on a limited budget but it actually makes a difference if you are.
Sainsburys you are a pack of theiving bastards.
LOL at BW with his Mossad assets and Sheff with the KGB. The latter has more of a ring of truth about it than the former. As I used to work for the FCO when I first left school, I will see if I can dig out someone from Six as well, PBrax - just in case...
ReplyDeletePaul - hugs mate. x
MsChin - long time no see! Hope you are doing ok. x
A kiss for everyone else too. x
You paint a beautiful picture of your area, Leni.
ReplyDeleteI don't know Wales at all. A UT GM - Welsh Chapter Invitation should definitely be considered. :o)
Just caught those posts.
ReplyDeleteLeni--Landscapes shaped by man. To a limited extent here. Most of the forest here is still virgin, although there are large areas replanted after harvest. Historically not the same as your area. How could it be? The natives took only what they needed from the forests and then watched nature take over again, though there are ancient sites and archeologists are always working to expose more.
deano--Mrs B and I had a fine time in Seattle. Good food, drink and lots to see. Also picked up 15 books for about 50 bucks from used book stores at Pike Place Market. Got to like that.
Anyway, Miss Lily is raring to go, so bye for now.
bettystanton
ReplyDelete26 September 2010 6:34PM
I'd like to suggest an article from MartynInEurope on why calling black people 'niggers' is perfectly acceptable.
Now deleted by moderators, no doubt due to an abuse report by martynineurope. It had 30 recommendations after about an hour. Not only can lttle martyn self-delete his hate-speech here, but he can apparently wipe out references to it on Cif as well. What a totally deluded fucking waste of space he is. (Although bru thinks he's wonderful!)
Just read that MF - very interesting to see all those apocalyptic tabloid headlines in lists - makes you understand how insidious the constant drip drip of the poison is.
ReplyDeleteI think he's right when he says
The ‘Islamisation’ myth tells us more about Western insecurity than it does about Muslim power.
and that every generation has their own version ie..
there seems to be a widespread desire to believe in the
‘Islamisation’ myth, just as there was a desire in previous generations to believe in the evil influence of technology, or the destructive nature of miscegenation, or the notion of degeneration.
Why do we do that? Especially now, as he says at the end, that in the UK
objectively speaking, no period in human history has been as good as the one we currently live in.
He raises a lot of issues - particularly around poverty, unemployment and health in Muslim communities. very interesting though and a good read.
MF. Thanks for that link, my stupid laptop won't red the file properly though - wiill try at work tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteThis will probably bankrupt me this month, but I got to have it I tells ya. As my friend correctly tells me, the word "awesome" is somewhat overused, but an 18 cd boxed set covering fifty years of 'African' music - from Soweto to the maghreb, and from Ethiopia (via the Congo) to Senegal - some of the finest music to have been made since rock and roll was born... truly awesome. 65 quids though...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/sep/26/africa-50-years-music-review
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Now then. The piss-up.
Saturday.
3pm onwards.
The Charles Bradlaugh.
http://www.thecharlesbradlaugh.com/
It's a towny pub, occasionally full of wannabe gangsters (in the evening) but there is plenty of space, and are some excellent nearby alternatives which open at 5 - play it by ear. Also a fantastic balti house down the road.
Turn left as you go into the pub, and go outside - over the yard to your right there is a big warehouse/shed which has been converted into their 'smoking' room. Unless it's freezing, that's the place. Otherwise, in through the pub's front door, and turn left.
Huzzah.
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ReplyDeleteI hope Montana - and everyone else - will not mind if I put a couple of posts here from today's WADDYA.
ReplyDeleteThey appeared close together and both involve how truth can be distorted.
I'll let everyone pick the bones out of them to their own choosing.
3potato4
26 September 2010 7:53PM
Martyn
you have been done over like a kipper,,as was Bru,,and as have many others,,
but there is no victory in winning wars and losing ones self,, chill,,
consider that one of the digs at you was about the large number of posts you have made,(over a long period) but now the ones of today and last night will
become the sole plank on which platforms are erected to dismiss or attack you
in the future,, done over like a ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
you were really not a match for the professional nastyboys,, who boast about thrashing people verbally,,(like that makes a difference,, its only words)
i would love to read the nastyboys taking on ATF or one of the other slashing pens to be found over in the poetry blogs,,street thug meets martial arts expert
signed kilgore trout
...............
backtothepoint
26 September 2010 8:12PM
@brusselsexpat
Well you know I kinda thought Communism was all about sharing with the masses and not leading a privileged lifestyle that your brothers couldn't afford. If Communism is leading the good life in France with weeks of holiday thrown in to chill out in Andalusia, sign me up for the revolution - Comrade.
The reason I've lumped you together with Bracken and bitey is that you use the same kind of dishonest, underhand arguments.
What the hell would you know about sharing with the masses? Have you ever been on strike for weeks on end, unable to pay your rent and working twice as hard as usual to win the strike? Have you gone on demo after demo to try and protect jobs and wages, say no to racism or international injustice? Have you helped organise families in a highly underprivileged area so they can get the family benefits to which they're entitled? Have you ever lived on a sink estate? Stayed on or even visited one? Have you ever damaged your career possibilities by representing a trade union and taking on the boss to improve working conditions? Have you put in thousands of unpaid hours in meetings, writing newsletters and letters, and bringing court and administrative actions, all for the common good?
Yes, I lead a good life in France. But not because I'm well-off - just comfortable these days - not because I'm privileged - I'm not - but because I like my life and hope I'm doing some good.
As for your weasel words about "weeks of holiday", I've already told you - but you choose to ignore it for your own clumsily devious purposes - these days, I do a job I can do anywhere with an Internet connection and my laptop. So I can go and stay with friends in Spain and Portugal for six weeks and still work. Is that a problem?
What do you think you bring to society, brusselsexpat? In what way would the world be a worse place if you'd never lived? That's the question I think anyone with a little decency should ask themselves.
Bitters
ReplyDeleteIs there parking near the pub? I think MsC and I will be driving down.
As for Bru and MIE, AB - bottom feeders, the pair of them. And given the amount of time they spend on waddya - no life either.
Good post, monkeyfish, Islamisation of Britain is a nonsense. Although the piece does make those of us even notionally muslim sound like in-bred useless fucks. (Hell, we probably are.)
ReplyDelete:-) peace and love to all. (Yes, all.)
Thanks, Sheff.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to squeeze a vast amount of trifle into my mouth, using the excuse that the cream will turn if I do not eat it quickly.
After that, I think Atomgirl has me booked to watch a film.
To mimic Bitterweed:
Hurrah!
Indubitably, sheff, woell need somewhere to park the chariot - the broomsticks are in for their annual service prior to All Hallowes.
ReplyDeletehabib
One of the problems with the Bradford infant mortality research, IIRC, is that it's based on a small sample of births in one hospital (Airedale?). Also there are many different types of 'genetic abnormalities'.
"Although the piece does make those of us even notionally muslim sound like in-bred useless fucks."
ReplyDeleteThere is that Habib..although I sorta assumed it implicit that that he applied the same reservations about any group that draws profound moral and ethical guidance from very old books of dubious origin and 'intent'.
In other news, I find this so depressing....'No lurch to left, vows new Labour leader Ed Miliband'
ReplyDeleteOn CiF some of the comments are so sick it is beyond belief that people actually believe things like this from @keepgoingright
grassgarth
26 September 2010 6:27PM
Why is the right so good and any move to the left seen as some evil backward step when all the evidence points to the exact opposite?
Which evidence? Please post a link...
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@bw
ReplyDeleteRe 17.02
Ok, cheers!
Right, back to the snooker...
Evening all
ReplyDeleteSprouts has just informed her new waddya mate that she has 'sources' that inform her of everything that's said about her here.Bollox! She lurks here regularly just like Kiz and MIE do.Trouble is-and i may well be wrong- i've never seen a Belgian flag in the Visitors box.Often see ones from Greece and Spain mind.
LENI
Sprouts also said that the ATOS issue had been dominating the threads and in her opinion we should be taking it to the Courts and streets instead.Stupid cow!She's pissed ofF that the realities facing the sick and disabled were acting as an unwelcome interlude to all the mindless drivel she spews out with momotonous regularity.;-)
monkeyfish
Cheers for the earlier link.Have only skimmed through it so far but it looks interesting.Will spend more time on it later.
momotonous?
ReplyDeleteSheff - there is an ample car park associated with the pub.
ReplyDeleteEvening all. Feeling nostalgic having looked at map of N'hampton showing next week's pub - used to live in Abington - great times.
ReplyDelete"used to live in Abington"
ReplyDeleteNo shit ??? Which street ? When ??
Cheers, BW. I'm sure we'll find it (the pub & the car park).
ReplyDeleteI see the trolls are out in force on CiF.
4 Adams Avenue. Left in '96. Best place I ever lived. Kids went to Barry Road nursery, then Vernon Terrace.
ReplyDeletePaul
ReplyDelete"Trouble is-and i may well be wrong- i've never seen a Belgian flag in the Visitors box."
Scunthorpe doesn't have its own flag any more...they lost the right to fly it in 1407 when the Duchy of Scunthorpe was annexed by Henry IV following the suppression of the Tea Ladies' Revolt...its cat rampant against a backdrop of a dingy bedsit sinister is only ever raised above Scunthorpe Minster on the feast day of St Imelda of the Blessed Handbag.
Anyone posting from Scunthorpe would appear as a Union Flag.
Blimey, small world shazza !
ReplyDeleteMsChin
Looking forward to it !
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&expIds=17259,26751&xhr=t&q=charles+bradlaugh+northampton&cp=29&safe=off&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
BW - indeed. Is anyone welcome at this gathering?
ReplyDelete@monkeyfish
ReplyDeleteNice one !
"But really they are not worth it. By all means attack them if they come on here to slag you off but don't worry what they say about you on what is by comparison to CiF, an obscure blog."
ReplyDeleteThree guesses where that came from and who wrote it!
Hmm, well, I didn't see the unexpurgated version of last night's battle of the wits on here, but I'm just perusing waddya, and it's clear that someone on here is suffering from the poverty of expectations.
ReplyDeleteGet yourself a fucking backbone and try for a little self-respect, Paul. You've been let down by Kiz and Bru, but even so, you still haven't sussed that there's no glory to be had in being Hermione's houseboy.
I don't get you. Why are you so desperate for approval?
Grow up. Be a man.
@shaz
ReplyDeleteI can think of two or three who wouldn't be welcome. :-)
Just getting up to date on waddya - Bru would apparently lay down her life for her principles.
ReplyDeleteWell, that's the very definition of a hypothetical scenario.
@Hank
ReplyDeleteYou can get a pretty clear idea from the threads here. Martyn was totally out of order with Paul, to an extent that shocked me and I'm not easily shocked (see his post here yesterday at 23.54).
And actually, I enjoy Hermione's posts. What have you got against her?
Hank
ReplyDeleteDear oh dear.Thought better of you mate.My main gripe with waddya is with the double standards that exist with moderation there.That cretinous toerags like Kiz/Bru/MIE get away with regularly rubbishing this site yet play 'victim' when there is any comeback.I don't put Hermione in that bracket and quite frankly i find your obsession with her bordering on the unhealthy.
I,ve got more backbone than you could ever dream of.Trust me on that and tbh icouldn't care less what you think of me.
"What have you got against her?"
ReplyDeleteShe'a a vacuous attention seeker who was cheerleading for the coalition for a week or so until she realised the tide of opinion on Cif was turning against the coalition. At which point, she reverted to the usual cynical one-liners criticising the coalition.
She also posted something on Cif this week celebrating the possibility that a homophobe who'd been sent to prison would be raped up his arse.
I think she's a populist idiot with no principles.
It's no wonder she's so popular with the waddya crowd.
@Hank:fwiw, I thought Paul handled that spat with some spine and came out of it with his dignity intact.
ReplyDeleteThe same cannot be said for "MIE" who well and truly blotted his copy book last night.
Totally out of order but he didn't get "modded" on here. He had to "mod" his post himself.
That's what I love about this site; it proves that censorship is not only unecessary but also counter productive.
Actually, it proves no such thing other than that I loath CIF and for having the gall to name it "comment is free" when they know fine well that comment is censored.
he..he..he..MF
ReplyDeletePoor old Scunthorpe - what on earth has the place ever done to be so associated?
Paul - you've spent how many months straddling this site and waddya? You've been desperately seeking approval from some of us on here and some of them over there.
ReplyDelete"I've got more backbone than you could ever dream of."
Prove it then. Grow up. Stop whoring your opinions in return for online popularity.
"I couldn't care less what you think of me."
I don't believe that for a minute.
@chekhov - maybe so. I'm not saying that Paul's at fault here. Sounds like Martyn made a complete arse of himself.
ReplyDeleteMy point about Paul stands though. Paul had a bit of an uppity fit recently because Kiz and Bru had let him down. All the sucking up to them counted for nothing.
He needs to know what he stands for himself, not what might make him popular with people whose opinions are basically worthless anyway.
@Hank
ReplyDeleteHmm. Do I whore as well? I spend a lot of time on Whaddya.
Mind you, I don't seek approval. It's a bit like Sammy Davis Jr. when he was the guest on a chat show. The host said, "And now, one-eyed, Jewish and black, it's... Sammy Davis Jr."
He came on and stage-whispered, "Better not tell them I'm a communist right now."
:-)
I quite like Hermione. She comes up with some great one liners and doesn't take herself too seriously.
ReplyDeletePretty harmless and amusing stuff IMHO!
I checked out her profile which had a link to her website: she's obviously just taking the piss, and quite good at it too, since so many people take the bait!
Hank
ReplyDeleteMy point about Paul stands though. Paul had a bit of an uppity fit recently because Kiz and Bru had let him down. All the sucking up to them counted for nothing.
Sorry you've lost me.It certainly pisses me off that Kiz/Bru/MIE get away with what they do on waddya.But how can i feel let down by people i never got on with in the first place?I did offer them a truce it has to be said but i can assure you it wasn't because i was seeking their approval.
Nah you need to be honest here Hank.Your main gripe with me is that i get on with Hermione.Always has been.Well get used to it pal cos that ain't gonna change.I like her and i stand by people i like even when it's just online.
"Poor old Scunthorpe - what on earth has the place ever done to be so associated?"
ReplyDeleteSomeone put the cunt in Scunthorpe..
Sorry can't remember where that came from but it made me laugh!
Hank
ReplyDeleteAnd btw you may not be aware of this but i've defended you on more times than i care to mention on CIF.I know you don't need me or anyone else to fight your corner but fwiw i think more people like you are needed btl on cif.Oh and don't take that as a grovelling compliment on my part because it ain't.You might act like a cunt sometimes but i reckon you're a likeable one at heart. .
Why offer them a truce, Paul? Stand by your principles.
ReplyDeleteIf I've lost you, then I think there's a clue in the line above.
As for the idea that my gripe with you is based on the fact that you get on with Hermione...well, you don't so much get on with her as act as her houseboy.
@Spike - do you whore yourself? I dunno. I haven't read enough of your stuff. It's really for you to decide.
Right, I'm off to bed now with a bottle of wine to watch some Red Riding, which I've never seen. Supposed to be good.
ReplyDeleteGoodnight all!
chekhov -- I've been trying for days to remember where that came from too. I think it was a publicity thing for some town -- and that followed . Inevitably .
ReplyDeleteNaming kids after the places they were conceived -- maybe Paris Hilton, Chelsea Clinton, what family name would you call a kid with firstname ' Scunthorpe' ?
@Hank
ReplyDeleteWhoring would imply I got some sort of benefit out of it. Chance'd be a fine thing.
Goodnight!
Anyway this website might be an obscure blog according to "Bru" but it's a hundred percent more honest and open than the sham that masquerades as "Comment is Free"!
ReplyDeleteWho cares what bru thinks ? I don't one little bit.
ReplyDeletePaul - well, thanks for that but seriously, don't bother on my account.
ReplyDeleteI got banned from Cif because, ultimately, I don't fit in on Cif.
Cif is dominated by hermione, kiz and bru. Bland timewasters who have never got angry about anything because they've never had cause to be angry.
You're a regular on waddya, Paul. Does it ever puzzle you that your friends in the sandpit never post anything on the politics/ecopnomics threads?
Sure, some of your playmates might post some anodyne shite on the well-worn ground of identity politics threads, the usual easy cliches beloved of superannuated liberals who've never had an original idea in their lives.
But they never post anything on the threads where the big boys come out to play because they would be exposed for the fucking braindead Heat magazine reading idiots they are.
@Paul
ReplyDeleteCatching up a bit on the last few days, I note that a few days ago, buried in a lengthy post, you alleged that I kiz and Bru were "now being aided" by me and that I had been "increasingly backing" them.
Quite apart from the question as to why one should act in support of your quest to determine things like Bru's location or sexuality, your claim is nonsensical, on account of the fact that
- I'm barely on waddya these days, in part because of a lack of interest in the spats
- as I pointed out in the post a while back you took issue with, kiz's numerous attempts to chide me put the kibosh on any thoughts of support
Not that this means I have any issue with them or you, despite your occasional potshots out of the blue which I have thus far declined to indulge. So, being mindful that you seem to have various disagreements going on already it'd be great if you could leave me out of your ongoing battles etc. kthanx.
"well, you don't so much get on with her as act as her houseboy."
ReplyDeleteTwo references to "houseboy" now. What happened around these parts, were there some white pointy hats going spare? Some petrol drenched crosses left over?
Did I miss the promotion?
Hank
ReplyDeleteIn life there are different ways of skinning a cat.My offer of a truce to Kiz/Bru wasn't because i wanted their approval but because there are issues i care about,that i want to raise on waddya,and the spats with them were getting in the way.It's as simple as that.And with regard to Hermione she's in a totally league to Kiz and Bru.She has her niche on cif and good luck to her as far i'm concerned.FFS what's wrong with having a laugh with someone?
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ReplyDeleteHevers
ReplyDeleteSorry i'll rephrase that.You pissed me off because you stated on waddya that me and others here on the UT were using the issue of ATOS to 'have a go' on waddya.So why don't you do me a favour and fuck off back to where you came from.
"Red Riding" is top notch drama. Should be compulsory viewing for kids in secondary education.
ReplyDelete@Paul - what issues with kiz and bru?
ReplyDelete@Habib - if you want to call me a racist, have the guts to say it openly.
Paul said...
ReplyDeleteHevers
Sorry i'll rephrase that.You pissed me off because you stated on waddya that me and others here on the UT were using the issue of ATOS to 'have a go' on waddya.So why don't you do me a favour and fuck off back to where you came from.
Well of course you had to "rephrase" it, because it was rubbish.
You are still talking rubbish, because I NEVER alleged what you claim. I never mentioned anything about others on UT using ATOS, and only mentioned YOU in that regard, and said that it came across badly. I made clear I wasn't challenging your motives.
Just stop making stuff up, and dragging up the past. It's just a waste of everyone's time.
Hank, I really don't think I need to, you demonstrate it so well on your own.
ReplyDeleteheveraleb>
ReplyDeleteThe reason for the carnage is easily revealed if you follow UT at all. Read UT, and you can see Paul and metro et al whipping each other into a frenzy about all things "kiz and Brussels"... the ATOS stuff mostly comes across as an excuse to have a go. You can also see Jenn joining in, talking about what she thinks are the best ways to have a go, and joking that they start some trouble.
You sad little man.I rarely get involved in 'cyber wars' and when i do there's usually good reason.Most people at UT are decent and i can assure we do not spend our days' whipping each other other up into a frenzy about trivia.'
I find your cheap jibe about ATOS highly offensive as some of us have been fighting to get these appalling medicals stopped for a damn sight longer than you have been posting here.And some of us are campaigning elsewhere as well.
If you haven,t got anything better to do with your time can i suggest you at least get your facts straight.Or better still get a life.
The above in bold is your post on waddya on the 26 August and the bit in italics is my reply.So the bullshit eh?
If anyone is wondering HEVERS and HEVERALE are one and the same person.
ReplyDeleteHabib - You've never posted anything worth reading either on here on or Cif. You're a follower, a sad little fanboy.
ReplyDeleteWorse than that, you're fickle.
Having no ideas or principles of your own, you're happy to follow any flag.
You stalked me on Cif as cravenly as any lapdog, and followed me over here. It was pathetic.
Like Paul, you need to grow up and develop some ideas of your own and stop relying on others to do your thinking.
Jeez, you must know a knock knock joke?
ReplyDeleteHank
ReplyDeleteI know what i believe in and i know what i fight for and that's all that counts.I don't need to justify myself to you or anyone else and if you're gonna continue disrespecting me you can fuck right off pal.Wanker!
Paul said...
ReplyDeleteheverale
The reason for the carnage is easily revealed if you follow UT at all. Read UT, and you can see Paul and metro et al whipping each other into a frenzy about all things "kiz and Brussels"... the ATOS stuff mostly comes across as an excuse to have a go. You can also see Jenn joining in, talking about what she thinks are the best ways to have a go, and joking that they start some trouble.
You sad little man.I rarely get involved in 'cyber wars' and when i do there's usually good reason.Most people at UT are decent and i can assure we do not spend our days' whipping each other other up into a frenzy about trivia.'
I find your cheap jibe about ATOS highly offensive as some of us have been fighting to get these appalling medicals stopped for a damn sight longer than you have been posting here.And some of us are campaigning elsewhere as well.
If you haven,t got anything better to do with your time can i suggest you at least get your facts straight.Or better still get a life.
The above in bold is your post on waddya on the 26 August and the bit in italics is my reply.So the bullshit eh?
First of all, quote the WHOLE post, so you can give the context, wherein I was giving my account of how things screw up in unintentional ways on the net. And I included myself in that.
Secondly, I referred to ATOS in reference to you because none of the other few mentioned were talking about it at the time.
At the time you tried to pretend that I was trying to attack the interest in the ATOS campaign and that is not true.
I am well aware people are concerned with it, and your attempt to try claim I think otherwise is risible. A habit of yours in which you try and cloak yourself in righteousness.
You did the same to Bru the other day, when she simply asserted that she wasn't a trannie etc., to which you responded something along the lines of having a go at her for being against trannies and gays.
Not that this means I'm backing Bru. I've seen other things that I can understand might give people pause.
My point, was that your interest in ATOS would have been better deployed by decoupling from spats, since others weren't impressed by it either.
NOWHERE did I say that you actually had no interest in the campaign.
And I made that clear at the time.
But we went through all this and it's a deflection because the claim I took issue with initially holds no water.
You seem to love spats Paul. First you make an unfounded allegation, then dredge up some more nonsense from the past we had already been through.
@paul -
ReplyDeleteok then, spell out what it is you believe in and what it is you're fighting for.
Being black isn't a cause in itself.
"Who cares what bru thinks ? I don't one little bit. "
ReplyDeleteNeither do I. I was just trying to make the point that this site has more integrity than the CIF guff aspires to
Stuff kicks off now again on here and it can get end in a sort of cyber bloodbath but so what? At least we don't have to hold our tongues and we get the opportunity to apologize if we crossed the line. Long live the UT website and thanks to Montana for setting it up!!
"Come on habib, what do you believe in?"
ReplyDelete"You've never posted anything worth reading"
"Fanboy"
blah blah blah blah. You really are boring.
No "victimhood" (whatever the fuck that means), just felt sorry for you once. Now I just need to puke every time I see your name.
I do hope that clarifies things and doesn't upset your fan base... too much. :-)
ReplyDeleteWhere are my manners?
ReplyDeleteEvening habib/chekhov
Paul said...
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FFS you're like an itch that won't go away.I'm busy with more important stuff right now.What i quoted was what you said.And before i saw it ididn't know you from adam and had never engaged with you.Now please do fuck off!
Congratulations for getting my point Paul: that we both have better things to be doing.
That was my point. I have better things to be doing than being dragged into your battles, and you have better things to be doing that trying to drag me into them.
And also, when that doesn't work, better things to be doing that dragging up the past, and trying to claim I was assaulting the whole of UT, when I only referred to a single exchange between a couple of people, or the campaign on ATOS, which I actually support and simply pointed out I didn't think your approach was necessarily ideal.
So, if you really believe you have better things to be doing, perhaps you will do us both a favour and desist from potshots, since I have not been doing them to you.
Hank
ReplyDeletePlease don't insult me by insinuating that i spend my time ramming my ethnicity down other peoples throats all the time here.I don't.Some people even here don't even know I'm British just like you .
"Come on habib, what do you believe in?"
ReplyDeleteStraightforward question, habib.
All this "you're boring...make me wanna puke...." is the puerile response of an angry adolescent.
You were never a player, habib.
Paul ;-)
ReplyDeleteHevers/Heverale
ReplyDeleteThis may come as a complete surprise to you but you are rarely if ever mentioned in the conversations here.And if you hadn't decided to come a visiting tonight it actually wouldn't have entered my head to mention you now.You're an irrelevence mate .Nite !
Come on, Hank, what I believe in can't be encapsulated in a segment of posting. If that's true, you really are a racist.
ReplyDelete@Paul - I didn't. You did.
ReplyDeleteAnd don't call me "pal". I'm not your pal.
And don't call me "wanker". I'm not that either.
"And don't call me "wanker". I'm not that either."
ReplyDeleteI for one really think you should get in touch with yourself.
Well, you've got me there, Hank, brilliant wit!
ReplyDeleteI'll tell you what, I'll go off for a smoke and let you think of something funny to say... (try and keep it racism/cliche free?)
ReplyDeleteHank
ReplyDeleteFFS why did you submit that snide post earlier?What were you hoping to achieve?You ,me and habib are all supposed to be on the same side!
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This may come as a complete surprise to you but you are rarely if ever mentioned in the conversations here.And if you hadn't decided to come a visiting tonight it actually wouldn't have entered my head to mention you now.You're an irrelevence mate .Nite !
NIce try and misrepresenting again, Paul. I wasn't just talking about you having a go on UT, but on Waddya as well. And I wasn't campaigning for relevance, either.
As for you saying it wouldn't have come into your head to mention me if I hadn't been here, my initial post tonite was in response to something you said about me the other day when I hadn't been around a while, so that doesn't work either.
I mean, you can keep making stuff up to have a go about, but it's not going to help either of us. Especially since I'm not doing that to you.
True though, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteYou are a gutless little creep. You snipe away on the sidelines, you post sarcastic one-liners, but you never really engage in debate, habib.
It's easy to do what you do, but it's not constructive nor is it courageous.
I'm not sure what the point of heyhabib is.
hevers
ReplyDeleteYou still here .
Hank
ReplyDeleteJust shut up a minute eh!When have either me or habib ever submitted a post completely out of the blue that was about you and was in any way disrespectful ?
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You still here .
Nite Paul.
Is that it Hank? You've used your one liner - again. I tell you what, I'll go for another smoke and no restrictions this time, come on I have faith in you being original again!
ReplyDeleteOh come on boys stop flailing your willies around. "machismo" is such a retro tactic.
ReplyDeleteFucking hell I sound like a rabid "feminazi" and I'm a bloke"!
I have a sense that I might regret this post and the response tommorrow but I like to live dangerously, so what the heck!
@Paul - you can post all the disrespectful stuff you want to post about me. None of that would bother me. What bothers me is empty stuff, postbags full of nothing at all.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to row about politics, I'm happy to do so.
What pisses me off is being harangued by people who are so lonely that their social lives are defined by being acknowledged by right-wing transvestites on Cif.
"What pisses me off is being harangued by people who are so lonely that their social lives are defined by being acknowledged by right-wing transvestites on Cif."
ReplyDeleteOh, I see what you mean, chekhov, not even Paul warrants originality... :-(
Hank
ReplyDeleteWhat pisses me off is being harangued by people who are so lonely that their social lives are defined by being acknowledged by right-wing transvestites on Cif.
Duh! You started this so please don't do a Kiz/Bru/MIE/Hevers and twist things around to make out you're the innocent party here.And your above jibe actually demeans you.I freely admit i don't have much of aa social life at the moment but i can assure you i'm not lonely.And likewise your snipe-again- at Hermione doesn't warrant a reply.I really have no idea where you're coming from Hank but please don't focus your own crap on other people.Be a man and deal with it yourself like the rest of us have too.
"Is that it Hank?"
ReplyDeleteAs opposed to what?
What have you got to say, habib?
What have you ever had to say?
What do you think about anything?
Who cares anyway?
You've got an inflated sense of your own importance, Habib. Nobody on the UT is really interested in what you think.
Most people on the UT are interested, for good or ill, in what Hank has to say.
I'm just a lot less boring than you, Habib.
Hmm, interesting that both Paul and Habib picked up on the Hermione trope.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking Judy Garland for some reason.
@Heyhabib: err I think your last comment should be aimed at Hank. I never suggested anything about right wing transvetites.
ReplyDeleteSorry, chekhov, I meant I agreed with your idea "Oh come on boys stop flailing your willies around. "machismo" is such a retro tactic."
ReplyDeleteSo that's it, Hank, I'm boring, you're wonderful and Paul and I are gay? Stunning. Bravo.
ReplyDeletehabib
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ReplyDelete@Habib - my post at 2.02 above is an invitation for you to set the record straight.
ReplyDeleteIt appears that you can't. You've got nothing to say.
So, do me a favour, little man, stop fucking sniping at me.
I'm happy to ignore you if you will do the same. Trust me, it will be no hardship on my part.
Hank
ReplyDeleteSeriously man i don't have any serious issues with you so no more posts like the earlier one ok?I like Hermione,she makes me laugh,and as a grown man i don;t need to justify who i like to you.And yes you are a cunt at times but a likeable one who's also a fucking good poster.I don't for the life of me know why you've chosen to go for me tonight nor for habib for that matter.Surely the UT is big enough to accomodate the three of us?
Paul said...
ReplyDeleteHank
Duh! You started this so please don't do a Kiz/Bru/MIE/Hevers and twist things around to make out you're the innocent party here.
Oh the irony.
Habib
ReplyDeleteYou're not the problem here ,you know that right?
Paul said...
ReplyDeleteHank
and as a grown man i don;t need to justify who i like to you.
Yeah, right, a grown man who yet feels he should whinge that someone is backing someone else, even when they are not. That makes sense.
@Hevers
ReplyDeleteFFS go and have a wank or something !
Paul said...
ReplyDeleteHank
Seriously man i don't have any serious issues with you so no more posts like the earlier one ok?I like Hermione,she makes me laugh,and as a grown man i don;t need to justify who i like to you.
Says the guy who won't stap talking about me. Even when I am not around.
"You're not the problem here ,you know that right?"
ReplyDeleteBut, Paul, I've been looking for a sense of purpose for so long, now...
:-)
Hevers wants in on the action, I see. Us blokes! So intent on machismo!
"...attack someone I care about..."
ReplyDeleteWhat do you care about, habib?
As for being a bully boy, well, my heart bleeds.
"Ignore me or not, I really don't give a flying one."
Let's meet up, Habib. I'm getting a bit pissed off with your internet hardman pose. Let's sort things out man to man.
Habib
ReplyDeleteSorry mate i might have misread your last post.I'm signing off now.Ignore the crap Hank's giving you tonight.tbh i don't think he's racist but maybe i've missed something -i dunno.Too many mind games on these threads.Take care my friend:-)
heyhabib said...
ReplyDeleteHevers wants in on the action, I see. Us blokes! So intent on machismo!
Nah, I let a few things pass already.
I've mostly bailed from Waddya 'cos I'm not particularly interested in "the action".
Now if Paul can get that into his head and stop posting crap about me, then we can all get on with our lives.
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ReplyDeletePaul said...
ReplyDeletehevers
You braindead moronic fuckwit i don't keep posting stuff about you. Now please either go away or produce your evidence and post it here and then i'll respond OK? Jeez i think i've got me first internet stalker
Nice try, but the whole point is that you have been harranguing me, stop trying to pretend it's the other way around. I gave an example in my first post in this thread.
Just give it a rest. Let go, move on.
@hevers
ReplyDeleteWhatever!Keep taking the tablets and i wish you all the best.Nite!
"Hank is facing me down and I'm laughing at him."
ReplyDeleteYou're not, Habib.
You're pissing your pants because you're a gutless coward.
Like so many gutless blowhards, you've just realised that there's a price to be paid for waving your willy on the internet.
I'm in Nottingham, Habib. I can make it to Liverpool, or we can meet in Manchester or in Leeds if you want neutral ground.
Where do you want to meet?
Paul said...
ReplyDelete@hevers
Whatever!Keep taking the tablets and i wish you all the best.Nite!
Haha, I tried saying good nite a while ago and you carried on. Still, moving on... all the best to you too, and once again, goodnight.
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ReplyDeleteHabib's a decent bloke so why you been so heavy with him?This isn't about his politics is it?
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ReplyDeleteSeriously, Habib? You'll meet me at the station? Just me and you? Do you want my number?
ReplyDeleteRed Riding is great. Watched episode 1: 1974. It certainly took me back to those halcyon days of casual racism and flares! I'd heard a lot about the Yorkshire police, so is Red Riding actually a documentary?
ReplyDeleteYou lot certainly enjoy trading insults, don't you? G'night!
(came through for fruit and couldn't resist refreshing the thread)
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ReplyDeleteSort out whatever it is over the phone.Maybe meeting up face to face ain't a good idea.Take it easy both of you.
Nite