tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post8048776970509017406..comments2023-05-21T15:20:58.352+01:00Comments on The Untrusted: 23/06/10Montana Wildhackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comBlogger191125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-36170242035267443022010-06-27T20:23:54.999+01:002010-06-27T20:23:54.999+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-16290249849813647112010-06-27T20:20:44.912+01:002010-06-27T20:20:44.912+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-61601659033532267732010-06-27T19:54:54.973+01:002010-06-27T19:54:54.973+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-20881272320731529452010-06-27T19:51:34.986+01:002010-06-27T19:51:34.986+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-60629837859903223802010-06-27T19:47:23.280+01:002010-06-27T19:47:23.280+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-50972257555885301932010-06-27T19:44:04.471+01:002010-06-27T19:44:04.471+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-39387763016560936122010-06-27T19:36:03.241+01:002010-06-27T19:36:03.241+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-52672024352530878932010-06-24T11:54:14.107+01:002010-06-24T11:54:14.107+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.gandolfo.....anyone got a rizla???https://www.blogger.com/profile/04347160998916009201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-79754328617211337692010-06-24T06:36:57.109+01:002010-06-24T06:36:57.109+01:00MsChin - up early too!!MsChin - up early too!!annetan42https://www.blogger.com/profile/01250598516297935480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-9676071767331983232010-06-24T06:35:47.747+01:002010-06-24T06:35:47.747+01:00Chekov - that is a very good point. The point of c...Chekov - that is a very good point. The point of course is that there has to be life 'outside the net'.<br /><br />The internet is useful for disemination of ideas and for telling people about activities.<br /><br />The internet is a tool, like all tools it can be used to create or destroy.<br /><br />Its up to us how we use it.annetan42https://www.blogger.com/profile/01250598516297935480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-31347466558520717752010-06-24T06:28:33.657+01:002010-06-24T06:28:33.657+01:00Jay - good point about comparative advantage and g...Jay - good point about comparative advantage and g;obalisation.<br /><br />The application of technology has a similar effect - e.g. road sweepers now have to be able to operate machinery. In the past many of the people I used to teach (learning disabled) could do these jobs - a broom is easy to operate.<br /><br />Now they can't, jobs like this are no longer available and a significant proportion of the population is excluded from the workforce.<br /><br />Road sweeping may be the lowest of low jobs (we used to be threatened with it as kids - if you don't work hard at school you'll end up sweeping the streets etc!), but its WORK and as such confers a certain amount of dignity that the unemployed can only dream of.<br /><br />frog2 - <i>I would tie that in to a basic income</i><br /><br />Yes and also sharing available work and perhaps not using automation for some tasks. Work should be seen not just as economic activity but as a means of ensuring social inclusion. Sharing available work should result in more free time to be with children educate yourself and just plaining hanging around and being HUMAN.<br /><br /><i>To each according to their need from each according to their ability</i>annetan42https://www.blogger.com/profile/01250598516297935480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-27938061815682341462010-06-24T02:28:38.927+01:002010-06-24T02:28:38.927+01:00Hi Chekhov
Am really busy right now so will try ...Hi Chekhov<br /><br />Am really busy right now so will try and respond to your post later.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11865148437450521947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-53711888204546576112010-06-24T00:24:14.273+01:002010-06-24T00:24:14.273+01:00Paul: it's difficult to keep track of all the ...Paul: it's difficult to keep track of all the threads and information and who posts what and where it comes from.<br />My point being that I am responding to something you said a couple of days ago and you might well have forgotten about it!<br />Anyway, if I remember correctly the "divide and rule" principle was involved.<br /><br />Obviously It wasn't clear about what I wanted to say, so I'll have another go:<br /> Whilst the Internet has provided us with more knowledge than we could ever imagine, it has also spawned more "splinter factions".<br />Surely there are thousands, if not millions of forums like this one in which people squabble amongst themselves rather than collectively challenge the status quo.<br />It's the "wet dream" for the dominant ruling elite, since it separates all sorts of people who actually have much in common.<br />Maybe, the internet, far from setting us free, has actually enslaved us even more!chekhovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12579841013364541334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-82707157132801031622010-06-23T23:41:32.633+01:002010-06-23T23:41:32.633+01:00Ms
Yes, too many post just anything, a compulsion...Ms<br /><br />Yes, too many post just anything, a compulsion.<br /><br />If they are not witty, I'd moderate the idiots -- " you did not read the article,try again" or whatever.frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-45539749807589667912010-06-23T23:39:01.196+01:002010-06-23T23:39:01.196+01:00Past my bedtime here, so goodnight all.Past my bedtime here, so goodnight all.MsChinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222092870017212864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-31343286152387279212010-06-23T23:35:34.563+01:002010-06-23T23:35:34.563+01:00Anne
The only thing to come out of the TGA thread ...Anne<br />The only thing to come out of the TGA thread this evening was -this comment --<br /><br />KenBarlow 23 Jun 2010, 8:58PM<br /><br />"Understand - especially those of you on the right - that mass unemployment is never going to end. Ever. If we can admit this, we can think of systems to replace the 9 to 5 pre-21st century paradigm."<br />------------<br /><br />I would tie that in to a Basic Income.frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-53249325437998886152010-06-23T23:35:13.793+01:002010-06-23T23:35:13.793+01:00frog2
Sadly, the total lack of 'reading of ar...frog2<br /><br />Sadly, the total lack of 'reading of article skills' does not stop 'em from making inane comments in their rush to get on the thread. And when pulled on said inanities, holding you hand up & admitting it might well be a good idea.MsChinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222092870017212864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-61890981812668590332010-06-23T23:28:42.749+01:002010-06-23T23:28:42.749+01:00They were like immers --"Next time, read the ...They were like immers --"Next time, read the article ."frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-62993737691129252172010-06-23T23:27:51.038+01:002010-06-23T23:27:51.038+01:00Anne
You're up late again, you naughty stop-o...Anne<br /><br />You're up late again, you naughty stop-out.MsChinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222092870017212864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-71146987781354296432010-06-23T23:25:14.739+01:002010-06-23T23:25:14.739+01:00frog2
What took me by surprise was the utter disr...frog2<br /><br />What took me by surprise was the utter disregard for her, as a disabled person with the same rights as every bugger else. I don't think some of those trolling eejits expected her to respond btl.MsChinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222092870017212864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-16890034045149756702010-06-23T23:24:55.379+01:002010-06-23T23:24:55.379+01:00BB Trotsky considered himself to be a Marxist so T...BB Trotsky considered himself to be a Marxist so Trots are Marxists - This one is anyway! :)<br /><br />Paul - good point about divided communities - thats what the old 'divide and rule' tactic is designed to do and its been working too well lately.<br /><br />We have to keep pegging away at thsi - the secret is to expose the REAL enemy the owners of capital and the current government.<br /><br />BB - there is no party that represents the interests of the vast majority in this country - bourgeois democracy has been exposed as the sham it really is (and always has been).<br /><br />The old liberal party always posed as the 'friend of freedom'(as a statue of a 19th century Liberal politician in Cardiff has it) but they are as dedicated to the interests of capital as the Tories - always have been.<br /><br />The point is that bourgeois democracy will always support the 'freedom' of the ruling class to shaft the rest of us.<br /><br />The post war Labour Government was able to do what it did because capital needed the help of the state to repair war damage etc.( many parallels with the bank bailout - except that then there was proper public ownership but without workers' control). What that government did not do was address the question of who REALLY holds the power in society.<br /><br />You can't control what you don't own!annetan42https://www.blogger.com/profile/01250598516297935480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-46413840494119235622010-06-23T23:21:06.170+01:002010-06-23T23:21:06.170+01:00Yes, it's such a change having someone ATL who...Yes, it's such a change having someone ATL who knows what they are going to say, and expresses it clearly.<br /><br />And then with the confidence to come BTL and put people straight.<br /><br />I hate to think what percentage of CiF articles are as good as that.<br /><br />The fact that the govt obviously does not know what it is talking about on this is .....( fill in ).frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-68047337403493296462010-06-23T23:11:56.883+01:002010-06-23T23:11:56.883+01:00frog2
Anne W has made absolute class responses bt...frog2<br /><br />Anne W has made absolute class responses btl. Hers & others responses made the thread worthwhile & showed that disabled people aren't passive victims of their affliction, begging for crumbs. <br /><br />The carers piece is coming up soon, IIRC. Gawd help me.MsChinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222092870017212864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-57152310273007917412010-06-23T23:02:17.153+01:002010-06-23T23:02:17.153+01:00I wonder if immers ever goes back to a thread to s...I wonder if immers ever goes back to a thread to see if there were comments on her comment ?<br /><br />30 Recommends was very impressive I thought.<br /><br />Anne Wollenberg at 5.29 even better !frog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06797278773375230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-79810229241020570642010-06-23T22:57:31.261+01:002010-06-23T22:57:31.261+01:00From the DLA thread:
lizzieD @10.46
"Sometim...From the DLA thread:<br />lizzieD @10.46<br /><br />"Sometimes, when I despair of Society's uncaring attitude to the disabled I comfort myself with the idea that, as we live longer, those smug and ignorant disapporvers may well find out one day what the realities are".MsChinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222092870017212864noreply@blogger.com