tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post6040415443739612736..comments2023-05-21T15:20:58.352+01:00Comments on The Untrusted: Business As Usual In ParliamentMontana Wildhackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-77655075507190203712009-05-22T09:36:47.249+01:002009-05-22T09:36:47.249+01:00@ anneten42
"There are no short cuts though we ju...@ anneten42<br /><br />"There are no short cuts though we just have to convince enough people to cause a change (like the pile of sand"<br /><br />Wise words.man with no name's dognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-27508882350626994062009-05-22T09:21:09.334+01:002009-05-22T09:21:09.334+01:00Yeah atoms et al - If you do want to produce publi...Yeah atoms et al - If you do want to produce public art think carefully about if you want it displayed in a public or more restricted members only gallery.<br /><br />Well intentioned managers of art facilities and artists themselves are all too often lead astray - not by bad motives but all too often by busy lives. Sometimes it’s because they have good cause to be distracted. But if they engage in questionable conduct often enough or long enough they are considered as “precious” in the sense of not wanting to be associated with. <br /><br />Artists in these schools are often colloquially known, in my part of the world as folly artists or to put another way self seeking self publicists or attention seekers. What these dancers and romancers with words have to say is rarely heard or read because attention is focussed in their deviant or questionable behaviour instead. It often manifests itself in “school” members gathering in dark places and calling other struggling artists attention seekers<br /><br />Whilst being pissed in charge of a pencil is quite acceptable in here, taking a rubber to another's efforts is not. Are they called erasure devices in the US I'm not sure.<br /><br />There really is no point in writing if those who claim to read, leave their glasses at home. And for anyone who learns from the cut and thrust of daily life it plain folly to gag or dismiss the actors on the stage<br /><br />Those who write but who do not seek to cause others to think are pissing in the wind! If you are not prepared to read others you are not likely to write well. Ignoring your audience is plainly unwise as too is ignoring what is going in the auditorium around and in front of you.<br /><br /> Follyists ought to put down their pens and think about music as a medium of communication they could start by practising whistling in the dark.<br /><br />Difficult times ahead really need those who will cooperate with each other not alienate each the other. Pissing off those who hold out a hand of friendship is fucking nuts.<br /><br />Ignoring the writing efforts of others is just as rude as going to the pub and refusing a drink when one is offered. I hope the next time I call here I will have seen comments from many others who I would have expected to see commenting here.<br /><br />Montana bad management decisions never go away they keep resurfacing every time the workers go for a piss. Sometimes they talk about them in the que at others they just look down, breath in, and take aim.<br /><br />That in the main they will be supportive of author, critical of content but appreciative of effort would be a good thing and that is what I expect to see. I am appreciative of atomboys effort and would have liked it to have got to a wider audience.<br /><br />@ tsar bomba (love it as a nom de plume)<br /><br />I would have liked to have told others about your interesting work but I couldn't get in the phonebox the door was locked.Another anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-70370610796715693382009-05-22T07:58:12.707+01:002009-05-22T07:58:12.707+01:00@ room101
Think the name you were looking for was...@ room101<br /><br />Think the name you were looking for was Jimmy Reid? If thats the one and the yarn's the one I think it is it's a good one.<br /><br />@ anon (16th May 21:02)<br /><br /><br />Your observations on the role of polemics is a valuable contribution here. All who participate here might think about the wider implications of the point you make. If people "learn" from a writer a special bond is established and the influence of the pen grows.<br /><br />Your point about deciding if the "perfomance" is for oneself or others is astute -the knobs in this room want to stop the pretence of an "exclusive club" signalled in the drama of a "members" special phonebox.<br /><br />There are interesting people with intersting things to say who are here and call by here. They could engage, inform and influence others - if they stopped bitching about the non members.<br /><br />That dear Montana and others need to get thier heads out of their arses or all the messages that get left around this place will inreasingly get lost and thus remain unread.<br /><br />@ atomboy<br /><br />The piece of writing was worth doing - and well worth reading. Thanks for the effort.not the same anon as abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-12134431138505066422009-05-18T11:06:00.000+01:002009-05-18T11:06:00.000+01:00Read it now, some good points Atomboy, enjoyed thi...Read it now, some good points Atomboy, enjoyed this. The primary issue here, for me, is whether this will go the way it usually does - all footstamping no action, or whether, for once, the public actually do something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-57139101295317809552009-05-17T13:59:00.000+01:002009-05-17T13:59:00.000+01:00Good article!
There are no short cuts though we j...Good article!<br /><br />There are no short cuts though we just have to convince enough people to cause a change (like the pile of sand)<br /><br />Where bourgeois democracy exists capitalism has to create a positive image for itself and increasingly elected legislatures have ben doing the same.<br /><br />Underneath it is the same as it ever was - look at this quote from Engels' <B>'The part played by labour in the transition from ape to man'</B><I>"As individual capitalists are engaged in production and exchange for the sake of immediate profit, only the nearest, most immediate results must first be taken into account…<br /><br />What cared the Spanish planters in Cuba, who burned down the forests on the slopes of the mountains and obtained from the ashes sufficient fertiliser for one generation of highly profitable coffee trees – what cared they that heavy tropical rainfall afterwards washed away the unprotected upper stratum of soil, leaving behind only bare rock! <br /><br />In relation to nature, as to society, the present mode of production is predominantly concerned only about the immediate, most tangible result, and then surprise is expressed that the more remote effects of actions directed to this end turn out to be quite different, are mostly quite opposite in character"</I>This first published in 1876! There has not been a noticeable improvement in capitalism's care for the environment even now when we know disaster strikes. <br /><br />What is happening is a rush to make as much profit as possible. perhaps they plan to build an environment on the moon, or attempt to 'terraform Mars. The they can do as Hawkin suggested bugger off and leave us in the shit!<br /><br />Only the workers of the world can save the world!annetan42https://www.blogger.com/profile/01250598516297935480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-45912037550537752362009-05-17T10:02:00.000+01:002009-05-17T10:02:00.000+01:00Points taken about polemicism and invective and au...Points taken about polemicism and invective and audiences and the purpose of writing.<br /><br />I wanted to see what type of place this is intending to be what the people here see as the purpose of the site and their roles in contributing to it.<br /><br />I would not pretend that I put a lot of thought or effort into either of yesterday's pieces, but wanted to see what reaction there was.<br /><br />We seem to be at a stage where the fundamental operation of politics in this country is on the brink of potentially massive and sudden change, in which the wishes of the people en masse might be taken into account, but we seem to think that it is a spectator sport in which all we can do is watch the players and listen to the commentary provided.<br /><br />Nick Clegg in The Guardian has this:<br /><br />Eighteen months ago, I approached Gordon Brown and David Cameron to suggest a constitutional convention to rewrite the rules of our democracy. They didn't take up the offer. From their point of view, this was a logical response: they have a vested interest in the status quo because eventually the electoral merry-go-round will deliver them power. Why break open a cosy arrangement which has served the establishment parties so well over the years? <br /><br />But we can no longer tolerate such a dysfunctional set-up. We must finally haul our politics from the 19th century into the 21st. After more than a week of scandal, one thing is clearer than ever: the game is up for the old way of doing things. The question now is – do we have the will to start anew?<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/17/nickclegg<br /><br />As far as the last sentence goes, I would have to say: "Nah, you're all right, mate. Just carry on."Atomboyhttp://politicalnewsblogs.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-53639141197358493882009-05-17T09:58:00.000+01:002009-05-17T09:58:00.000+01:00Nice post Atomboy.
The Corporation is a fine read...Nice post Atomboy.<br /><br />The Corporation is a fine read and you make a valid point about the corporate nature of the modern political class. However, the message that I got from the book was that corporations' psychopathic tendencies resulted as much from their legal status and structure and the requirement that their shareholders' interests were paramount. This of course explains, excuses and institutionalises their rapacity and self-interest. <br /><br />There is, of course, no reason that MPs should have adopted this corporate ethos and agenda. That surely came about through their faith in the miracle-working capacity of the free market. The establishment of internal markets,competition, targets and reliance on private consultants were adopted, not out of any necessity but for philosophical reasons. There's no reason they can't be abandoned.<br /><br />Unfortunately, despite reason events, the ardour of the political classes for free markets and rampant capitalism shows no sign of cooling and with the Tories on the way, there's no reason to expect any change.<br /><br />Naturally, I feel the answer is to convince sufficient numbers of people of the internal contradictions of capitalism. Now where have I heard that line before? Not a straightforward prospect at all if past experience is anything to go by but an essential goal none the less.<br /><br />Anyway...keep posting. Enjoy your stuff.monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-66581685025873625922009-05-17T07:27:00.000+01:002009-05-17T07:27:00.000+01:00i would add that i think all the other side of the...i would add that i think all the other side of the equation,,humility/honesty is the polar opposite and is never served by the collective but is exclusively the option of the individualMrPotatoHeadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-31407271181083948092009-05-17T07:23:00.000+01:002009-05-17T07:23:00.000+01:00harder to hear what your saying when you shout rea...harder to hear what your saying when you shout really loud,, and i kinda twitched every time i read 'we' or 'us'<br /><br />i feel more confident of understanding people who say 'I'<br /><br />i cant help thinking that the macro history of the last few hundred years is somewhat relevant the understanding of today,,especially with regard the corporation,, and you do seem to be almost 100% about todays headlines,,<br /><br />""So, now we know that politicians are simply hookers with the morals to match"""<br /><br />well actually its been remarked upon previously in depth,,over say the last two hundred years<br />during which time its gotten progressively worse<br />for reasons much deeper than everyday actions of individuals,,in fact individuals are largely irrelevant,,its all (the greed/deceit) driven by the collective humanity which is a seperate and distinct animal from the individual,, this may or may not be in agreement with your overall thesis,,i cant tell,,<br /><br />please keep contributing<br /><br />ps perhaps you could include some kind of "in a nutshell" line in your next piece for the less<br />erudite/sophisticated such as myself,, ta muchly3potato4noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-38235177795970110342009-05-16T21:02:00.000+01:002009-05-16T21:02:00.000+01:00Some good points here, tsar bombas. But polemic is...Some good points here, tsar bombas. But polemic is a literary form that goes back to the politics of the 17th century, and the better polemics were more concerned with education of the readers and a challenge to action than verbal fireworks and tired re-hashes of common knowledge. You might wish to consider whether you are writing for yourself or others. It's always a valid question. I have no doubt your heart is is the right place, but is it really committed to others?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-79298387702511454982009-05-16T18:11:00.000+01:002009-05-16T18:11:00.000+01:00Me too -
Good to see another article from you - n...Me too -<br /><br />Good to see another article from you - not time to read it yet though but will<br /><br />Can't remember the red Clyde leading stewards name now ..Jimmy Jimmy ????? Anyway his mum had a great one about the fishes heads in the diet of the 1930's clydeside if you aint heard it?<br /><br /> - I have the punchline in my head and will try to get the structure of the story to share with you later<br /><br />Regardsroom101d30https://www.blogger.com/profile/00122458120274161688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-27842747619524928732009-05-16T17:40:00.000+01:002009-05-16T17:40:00.000+01:00Thanks Jay
Tsar Bomba was the name the Russians g...Thanks Jay<br /><br />Tsar Bomba was the name the Russians gave to the biggest nuclear bomb ever made and detonated.<br /><br />A tenuous link, perhaps, like when I used Felix Hoenikker - which MonkeyFish maybe appreciates.Atomboyhttp://politicalnewsblogs.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-71606437102902904372009-05-16T17:31:00.000+01:002009-05-16T17:31:00.000+01:00I havent read ths yet but good work on writing and...I havent read ths yet but good work on writing and posting it, we need more articles. Look forward to reading it.<br /><br />Tsar Bomba?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com