tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post4657420521926601053..comments2023-05-21T15:20:58.352+01:00Comments on The Untrusted: 21/07/10Montana Wildhackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comBlogger107125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-84217389540342137672010-07-21T23:59:01.505+01:002010-07-21T23:59:01.505+01:00Since "this message will be held for moderati...Since "this message will be held for moderation" ...how about fuck you "moderators" for being such a bunch of condescending twats? <br /><br />I swore I would never post again on CiF but some one has to call them to account for their disingenuity.<br /><br />No doubt my post will be deleted, since I'm in "pre-mod" and have been since the month of May of this year.<br /><br />For the simple crime of calling Lord Adonis to account for him attempting to split the "left wing " vote at the last election.chekhovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12579841013364541334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-36612728905693831652010-07-21T23:58:01.751+01:002010-07-21T23:58:01.751+01:00Fair enough BB, although this is the problem- thes...Fair enough BB, although this is the problem- these companies screw them over and they screw us over- although at least we have a functioning state to look after us (wouldn't be sure about this current lot though)<br /><br />PCC, as I said in my previous post 99% of the people who are the recrutiers and employers migrant labour in this country are British. They know that they can trample on their rights and conditions more and squeeze them. Remember most of these new EU countries were under the grip of communism not long ago, and there is still a lingering prescence of the fear of the authorities, or if not fear then memories of a corrupt and inefficient bureaucracy, so are much less likely to approach anybody offical.<br /><br />I can't get a job as a toilet cleaner, I can't get a job at the back of a pharmacy, I can't get a job at Mcdonalds. At all of these interviews the prospective employer has been British. I can't see my long term future here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-31394241103616175922010-07-21T23:51:57.754+01:002010-07-21T23:51:57.754+01:00Hey BB - it is! How about you? Meant to be off to ...Hey BB - it is! How about you? Meant to be off to bed but the joy of finding posts going up okay again is keeping me up. Ah to be able to connect to other than just right wing nutjobs. <br /><br />Honestly if you think Cif is bad spend some time on the Telegraph. People actually post stuff like ''But in all honesty I wouldn't be surprised if this crash has been engineered by socialists like Krugman and Soros (yeah that multi-billionaire financier socialist) so that they can turn around and say capitalism isn't working time to bring on the Marx and the Che.'' And it got tons of reccommends whereas the guy who answered to above poster with ''listen you fool'' got 3. <br /><br />There is a world of right wing nuts out there who believe the NWO is about to come along and sweep us all into a new socialist era. Thing is they might be right on some fronts but it aint gonna be socialist!<br /><br />I just hope the old laptop stops playing up. Have a couple of writing groups am a member of and not been able to access them at all.princesschipchopshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18202815936353393398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-26849136298463141382010-07-21T23:46:40.220+01:002010-07-21T23:46:40.220+01:00BB - Agree. I tend to be with Thauma on this. Too ...BB - Agree. I tend to be with Thauma on this. Too much fear of being seen as a right wing loon has meant no real discussion of economic immigration which is a very different matter to assylum seekers. When it comes to economic immigration I think we need to get angry but NOT at the immigrants themselves (who are doing the best they can for themselves and their families as would we all) but at businesses for hiring them (just as businesses outsource jobs to other nations with slave labour wages) but when it comes to assylum seekers I believe we need to help as many people as we can.<br /><br />Because as you say BB - in most nations where assylum seekers come from - the meddling hand of the west is nearly always present. <br /><br />Checkhov - quite a long time ago when I was a newbie you posted a link to that Vernon Coleman site ( I think it was your good self). Very interesting stuff - especially the stuff on Gordon the Moron! Really shocking when you read his policies exposed like that!princesschipchopshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18202815936353393398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-68259373209385950352010-07-21T23:41:00.951+01:002010-07-21T23:41:00.951+01:00Hey PCC!
Hope all is good wid joo
Take care xxHey PCC!<br /><br />Hope all is good wid joo<br /><br />Take care xxBeautifulBurnouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02904723758901189624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-72729383459828528222010-07-21T23:39:17.533+01:002010-07-21T23:39:17.533+01:00Having real difficulties getting logged in onto he...Having real difficulties getting logged in onto here and some other blogs at mo. Manage to log on - spend ages typing comment then it says ''comment too big'' and either deletes it or posts it on some random whim.<br /><br />Anyway hope this one is posted. <br /><br />Montana thanks so much for repeating that post earlier - what a blinder. It fair made my day it really did. And then BB that link! I laughed so much - that is like so many posters we all know and love.<br /><br />Today I have mostly been annoying people on The Telegraph (its my new favourite sport) because finding Cif playing silly buggers (anyone else?) <br /><br />Also been reading through back pages here and am really glad saw Deano post briefly. Deano if you do stop by big hugs and I really hope you are doing ok.<br /><br />Right off to bed but just to ask - has anyone else noticed that David Camerons face is getting redder and shinier every day? It is preternaturally shiny-red. Scary man.princesschipchopshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18202815936353393398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-53700154015908056322010-07-21T23:34:39.935+01:002010-07-21T23:34:39.935+01:00@Nap: have a look at this website: www.vernoncolem...@Nap: have a look at this website: www.vernoncoleman.com.chekhovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12579841013364541334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-51785987094989145732010-07-21T23:22:03.110+01:002010-07-21T23:22:03.110+01:00Nap
"TBH my views are in the middle- namely ...Nap<br /><br />"TBH my views are in the middle- namely that of course we should provide humanitarian care to those under our wings, but on the other hand we have no authority or influence over other countires to tell them how to run things- those African dictators and warlords who create the hardships which creates refugees. "<br /><br />YOu see, this is where I think you are wrong. I guarantee that in every hot-spot where refugees are being displaced by their hundreds of thousands you will see a recent history of Western involvement and/or interference.<br /><br />And by Western, I don't just mean governments, but trans-national companies. We have every authority and influence over them by the way in which we have created conflict in those countries - either directly in terms of places like, say, Iraq and Afghanistan - or indirectly in places like Nigeria, the Indian sub-continent, where corruption is rife and Western commercial interests are always paramount.BeautifulBurnouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02904723758901189624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-40294267917246849462010-07-21T23:06:52.042+01:002010-07-21T23:06:52.042+01:00When I was talking about my 'road to Damascus ...When I was talking about my 'road to Damascus moment' earlier I was not talking in the religious sense, and not really in a politcal sense. <br /><br />But that is not important. I will be up half the night studying.<br /><br />a crazy day on Cif. These immigration/asylum thread- sigh. They just descend into two armed camps. TBH my views are in the middle- namely that of course we should provide humanitarian care to those under our wings, but on the other hand we have no authority or influence over other countires to tell them how to run things- those African dictators and warlords who create the hardships which creates refugees. And of course, we can't do anything about their human rights abuses and have to pick up the pieces.<br /><br />Some on the left might then suggest intervening in the name of humanitarian intervention.<br />This 'messianic leftyism' is not good. That is what led to many of the liberal intelligentsia supporting the invasion and occupation of Iraq.<br /><br />The whole debate is just so complex that one individual story no matter how tragic, can not act as a conduit for the whole debate on this. It is ultimately futile and self destroying as we cannot do anything to stop these brutal dictators- yet we have to pick up the pieces that the scum make, broken families, sluaghtered children, psychological trauma.<br /><br />And we can't just invade these countries, becuase then we would have the Iraq situation- killing people in the name of their freedom.<br /><br />My own view is that we as a member state of the EU should be working together with them on this. After all millions of economic migrants came here and eroded (I must hasten to say that the people who hire them are nearly always British- they bring out the trope that 'they work harder')the pay and conditions of labour, and make it physically impossible for people like me to get a job. It is time other EU countries took some responsibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-39369142979567985342010-07-21T22:23:32.397+01:002010-07-21T22:23:32.397+01:00Jen
I will introduce you to my husband - you will...Jen<br /><br />I will introduce you to my husband - you will get on like a bloody house on fire.<br /><br />He realised he has already seen polar storm, so it's Sons of Anarchy now (which I love).<br /><br />Philippa - yep. Scary shit or nothing! :o)BeautifulBurnouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02904723758901189624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-46680513280566747012010-07-21T22:23:23.016+01:002010-07-21T22:23:23.016+01:00Hello everyone, not sure if this is relevant to ab...Hello everyone, not sure if this is relevant to above comments but they had me scouring my library for this:<br />"The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson from "The Granta Book of the American Short Story" (edited by Richard Ford)<br /><br />Sorry, I still haven't worked out how to do the "short cut" links but I will get there soon!<br /><br />BTW: does my inability to do those links have something to do with the fact that I'm crap at maths or am I just generally stupid?chekhovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12579841013364541334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-69616304827642346812010-07-21T22:01:55.963+01:002010-07-21T22:01:55.963+01:00BB - sounds like the warnings on the back of the m...BB - sounds like the warnings on the back of the mildest DVDs, by category.<br /><br />"mild peril" is just not a phrase that works...PhilippaBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09091980183380957529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-73107963172948043862010-07-21T21:56:45.549+01:002010-07-21T21:56:45.549+01:00BB
They have it before most programs (Angel has a...BB<br /><br />They have it before most programs (Angel has a lovely warning that it may contain monster goo).<br /><br />If you are watching Polar Storm that is normally an afternoon film so you will probably not be too traumatised.<br /><br />And now I know I need to find a job or do some volunteering because I know the Scfy back catalogue. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-28322303336666424842010-07-21T21:52:57.324+01:002010-07-21T21:52:57.324+01:00LOL
My beloved has just turned over to the SyFy c...LOL<br /><br />My beloved has just turned over to the SyFy channel (god I hate their new name!) for the announcer to say "Caution - the following programme contains themes of peril".<br /><br /><br />WTF?!!<br /><br />Are other channels going to start saying "Caution: the following programme contains romantic dialogue" or some shit?<br /><br />It is ten o'clock at night. I think we can cope with a bit of a perilous theme without cacking our pants...BeautifulBurnouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02904723758901189624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-36407093859197346952010-07-21T21:47:57.514+01:002010-07-21T21:47:57.514+01:00'ray! more zep!
love it.
harrypotterphan do...'ray! more zep!<br /><br />love it.<br /><br />harrypotterphan doing phine work on utube there...PhilippaBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09091980183380957529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-8892255651200096172010-07-21T21:38:00.232+01:002010-07-21T21:38:00.232+01:00Hah! Gallows Pole!
I had forgotten about that so...Hah! Gallows Pole!<br /><br />I had forgotten about that song. Superb. :o)BeautifulBurnouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02904723758901189624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-10290615152634618892010-07-21T21:31:36.741+01:002010-07-21T21:31:36.741+01:00Click on Prof Plums- 'This user profile is not...Click on Prof Plums- 'This user profile is not available'. The categoric and final certainty of a banning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-23657266323956179402010-07-21T21:16:29.094+01:002010-07-21T21:16:29.094+01:00Jen
Completely agree.
Obviously, it shouldn'...<b>Jen</b><br /><br />Completely agree.<br /> <br />Obviously, it shouldn't be used for everything and anything, but, if every time we point out that, you know, x, y or z has some pretty damning examples in history, people are going start screaming 'Godwin, Godwin', then it defeats the whole point of learning from history and that.<br /><br />In my opinion...James Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299357339538257569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-68028621757419893982010-07-21T21:12:53.788+01:002010-07-21T21:12:53.788+01:00defendant => plaintiff, I think!defendant => plaintiff, I think!thaumaturgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116351419774991352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-90094162155395751102010-07-21T21:08:29.744+01:002010-07-21T21:08:29.744+01:00Godwins Law gets right on my nerves.
I think init...Godwins Law gets right on my nerves.<br /><br />I think initially it was a sensible idea to stop people using Nazi as a kind of stupid knee jerk response to anyone who you fundamentally disagreed with but now it has got to the point were it is impossible to discuss anything that happened during the rise of the Nazis, the propoganda, the politics etc without someone saying something daft about how you are comparing, for instance the othering of immigrants and welfare claimants to the holocaust.<br /><br />Obviously the only comparison to the holocaust would be another holocaust but there is nothing wrong with comparing the rise of historically fascist states with what is happening now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-82097323400218035812010-07-21T21:07:56.899+01:002010-07-21T21:07:56.899+01:00BB - heh, reminds me of Gallows Pole.BB - heh, reminds me of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1kxb1FC3Vg" rel="nofollow">Gallows Pole</a>.thaumaturgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116351419774991352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-2294656395426475952010-07-21T21:04:06.299+01:002010-07-21T21:04:06.299+01:00Peter - hmm, really? Haven't checked the WAR w...Peter - hmm, really? Haven't checked the WAR website. If it's true that this wasn't a piece actually written by the defendant, then that is pretty underhanded on the Guardian's part (or WAR's - whoever might be responsible).<br /><br />And it would strike me as a further manipulation of someone who's been through enough shit.<br /><br />Still, it doesn't justify the comments.thaumaturgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116351419774991352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-43072825002593177792010-07-21T21:02:55.128+01:002010-07-21T21:02:55.128+01:00James - yep.
Reminds me of this poem:
The Hangm...James - yep.<br /><br />Reminds me of this poem: <br /><br /><a href="http://homepage.mac.com/steveklein/hangman.html" rel="nofollow">The Hangman</a>BeautifulBurnouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02904723758901189624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-84170621392844793502010-07-21T20:58:27.628+01:002010-07-21T20:58:27.628+01:00Indeed BB
It's a fairly effective tactic.
Pa...Indeed <b>BB</b><br /><br />It's a fairly effective tactic.<br /><br />Pave the way with some quite extreme Daily Mail type articles (initially attacking someone who's definitely 'other'), then work your way up the scale.<br /><br />Without wanting to Godwin, it's very much a case of first they came for, and I didn't speak out..... until eventually they're coming for you, and there's nobody left to help (or they're all baying for your blood, in the hope that it means they won't have to come for them next).....James Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299357339538257569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-84938593490644946222010-07-21T20:55:43.262+01:002010-07-21T20:55:43.262+01:00@Thauma
It isn't actually first-person - it&#...@Thauma<br /><br />It isn't actually first-person - it's a collation of material taken from WAR press releases, as can be seen from their website, and put out as first-person for greater impact. As I say, nothing wrong with that.PeterJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16395768714207313299noreply@blogger.com