tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post388673143477376649..comments2023-05-21T15:20:58.352+01:00Comments on The Untrusted: Daily Chat 23/10/09Montana Wildhackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-4081050845319170022009-10-24T11:22:14.502+01:002009-10-24T11:22:14.502+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.annetan42https://www.blogger.com/profile/01250598516297935480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-56412451439434596782009-10-24T10:22:05.639+01:002009-10-24T10:22:05.639+01:00Whoa there, Hank, way over the top with that comme...Whoa there, Hank, way over the top with that comment at 0.55. Withdrawn with abject apologies, Swifty. Genuinely.HankScorpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13220200282805558779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-51455250788067683942009-10-24T01:04:20.837+01:002009-10-24T01:04:20.837+01:00Night all.
I don't think Swifty was a Brylcre...Night all.<br /><br />I don't think Swifty was a Brylcreem boy Hank.deano30https://www.blogger.com/profile/12637249297224887297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-22895747546131978852009-10-24T00:47:43.000+01:002009-10-24T00:47:43.000+01:00anyway..bedtime for me..
I'll leave you boys ...anyway..bedtime for me..<br /><br />I'll leave you boys to your drunken brawling. I'd offer to hold your coats but I wouldn't be seen dead with a couple of dayglo orange shellsuit jackets.monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-37137348590305535822009-10-24T00:45:15.422+01:002009-10-24T00:45:15.422+01:00"Just as most working class men and women alw..."Just as most working class men and women always thought that Churchill was a cunt, dating back to his time as Home Secretary during the General Strike of 1926."<br /><br />or even 1910...<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonypandy_Riot<br /><br />certainly by 1915<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli#Gallipoli_Campaignmonkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-56235177648533362352009-10-24T00:36:39.967+01:002009-10-24T00:36:39.967+01:00Swifty @ 16-15 above.
You looking for a copy of ...Swifty @ 16-15 above.<br /><br />You looking for a copy of the Hitler parody video <b> without subtitles </b> ??<br /><br />If so is this any use for you subtitling project??<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J4sZQihkk0deano30https://www.blogger.com/profile/12637249297224887297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-84255158854959561722009-10-24T00:36:03.258+01:002009-10-24T00:36:03.258+01:00@Swifty - you're in the mood for a row, are yo...@Swifty - you're in the mood for a row, are you?<br /><br />Fair play. Go on then, fella, where did I say that the Red Army didn't do for the Wehrmacht? What are you actually accusing me of? I'm aware of the history of WW2, I know about the Battle of Stalingrad, I know that 20 million Russians died in WW2.<br /><br />And I know about the Blitz of London, and how ordinary Londoners think that Churchill was a cunt.<br /><br />Just as most working class men and women always thought that Churchill was a cunt, dating back to his time as Home Secretary during the General Strike of 1926.<br /><br />Not entirely sure what your point is here, Swifty. <br /><br />As we don't ever interact on this site, I'm guessing that you've had one too many and you're looking for a row with me on any sort of pretext. Don't have a problem with that tbh, happy to oblige.<br /><br />But don't play the sentimental shite about how your uncle Gerry died for this country.<br /><br />That's bollocks. You might as well link to a site in Basra where little orphan Ali remembers his innocent ma and da who died at the hands of the RAF for the glory of this country.<br /><br />How's the Hitler homage coming along btw?HankScorpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13220200282805558779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-45533720140529709582009-10-24T00:30:18.664+01:002009-10-24T00:30:18.664+01:00Also must admit. At school, I was taught history b...Also must admit. At school, I was taught history by a drunken Christian Brother from Meath. History was a long list of atrocities committed by the British Army and the the Black and Tans.<br /><br />It was a bit myopic. History to me was Hobsbawn tbh. much later on. Maybe I'm biased in that regard but I like his take on things (if not his wartime activities) and for him the October Revolution rocked the world...and I tend to agree. The Labour movement in this country never really had teeth, just, as you say, accumulated more and more power. I think the impetus must have been external.monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-46193824200910819062009-10-24T00:21:48.892+01:002009-10-24T00:21:48.892+01:00"Not sure about your distinction between Marx..."Not sure about your distinction between Marxist and Marxian as a result."<br /><br />Oh yeah, to clarify this. I'd say a Marxian is someone who accepts the characterisation of capitalism, regards economics, particularly the means of production, as the basis of historical change and social consciousness but doesn't accept the historicism or the need for revolution. <br /><br />I'd regard a Marxist as a revolutionary; classically, not a supporter of scial democratic politics or indeed unions. <br /><br />I'd classify a pseudo-Marxist as an heir to all that flowed from the Frankfurt school..Marcuse, Althusser, Adorno, the 68ers...basically those who rejected the economic determinist aspects (ie the entire point of Marx) and instead focussed their 'revolutionary' zeal on popular culture; what Marx would have called the cultural superstructure which he regarded as bourgeois culture.<br /><br />All they did was realign bourgeois culture along lines dictated by variously, structuralism, post-structuralism...various other crazes inc. Derrida, postmodernism, identity, diversity blaah blah fuckin blah..until we arrive at a point (most blatantly exemplified by occasional cif 'big gun' John Gray) where any belief system is utopian folly and human agency is a myth.<br /><br />Also...<br /><br />#But you're overlooking the reforms (National Insurance Act etc) brought in by the 1906 Liberal Govt, which owed a lot to organised labour in this country,#<br /><br />as well as the first Russian revolutionary blast of 1905...got them thinking.monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-21048868745515465982009-10-24T00:16:24.193+01:002009-10-24T00:16:24.193+01:00Re. the Blitz - my old man is from Belfast. He was...Re. the Blitz - my old man is from Belfast. He was brought up a stone's throw from the Harlan & Wolf shipyards. Come 1940, come the German bombers, come the largely forgotten Belfast Blitz... dad, Aunty Genevieve, Grandad and Granny bombed out. Dad, Aunty Genevieve and Granny repair to Galway (chez the Coulters) to see out the war. Grandad (works at the Royal Mail sorting office in Belfast, reserved occupation), lives in a fucking tent in the bombed out house, with <i>his</i> father's (ex-Raj) service revolver, to stop looters taking what was left. Working class solidarity my arse.<br /><br />And <a href="http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2046284" rel="nofollow">here lies the grave</a> of Gerard Charles Swift. Ulster Rifles, seconded to 1st Airborne Btn, died March 1945, Hamminkeln in Operation Varsity.<br /><br />Known to my dad as "Uncle Gerry".<br /><br />Anyway, Hank, you're not denying the sacrifice of yer actual Krasnii Armeetz in WWII? I've been drinking heavily tonight, and I'm in the mood for a row with anyone who tells me the Russian Army didn't do for the Wehrmacht...SwiftyBoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09033114906326307665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-14789886387532195152009-10-24T00:10:59.055+01:002009-10-24T00:10:59.055+01:00"the ones who threw themselves at the Wehrmac..."the ones who threw themselves at the Wehrmacht in their hundreds of thousands" were, of course, Russian patriots, cannon fodder. Not intrinsically anti-fascist or revolutionary.<br /><br />"But, I contend it was the shock of the Russian Revolution which spurred the change."<br /><br />Not buying it, mate. Look at the governance of Britain, the US, France and Germany between 1919 and 1933...Look at the didsparities in wealth in those countries in the Roaring Twenties. It wasn't until the 1929 Crash that Keynesian economics kicked in in FDR's America and, yes, Hitler's Germany, and, even then, it took four years before either govt came to power.<br /><br />There's no doubt that the fear of Bolshevism led to concessions on the part of the ruling class, but those concessions were gradual and piecemeal.<br /><br />The ruling class in the UK never needed to make sizeable concessions anyway given that they knew that the organised left was gradualist as opposed to revolutionary, and that owed much to the Fabian middle class leadership of the labour movement here.<br /><br />And the Fabian influence has now come full circle. And the Fabian influence has neutered the anger of the Left in the UK, those who would really like to see bankers, politicians and generals brought to account at Tyburn for their crimes.HankScorpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13220200282805558779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-60894738525174372612009-10-23T23:53:29.623+01:002009-10-23T23:53:29.623+01:00Got to admit mind, it's fuckin years since I r...Got to admit mind, it's fuckin years since I read the thing and it turned into a sorta mission. It's the most turgid, prolix thing imaginable...unlike a lot of his other stuff.<br /><br />Incidentally..I saw someone was on about "a spectre is haunting Europe..." the other day. That was the second version. The first translation of the manifesto had it..<br /><br />"a hobgoblin is stalking Europe.."<br /><br />Gotta say...I'm a hobgoblin man myself.monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-87834477590346435852009-10-23T23:52:51.085+01:002009-10-23T23:52:51.085+01:00Tonight's newsnight special on the Wall Street...Tonight's newsnight special on the Wall Street crash of 1929 was class - an interesting view/discussion of the aftermath of the crash on economics and the arts .<br /><br />For those with iplayer facilities who didn't see it - it's well worth the time of a look in over the next seven days.<br /><br />For others:try the BBC website "newsnight review" webage.deano30https://www.blogger.com/profile/12637249297224887297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-41743157925406280832009-10-23T23:45:31.303+01:002009-10-23T23:45:31.303+01:00"We owe nothing to the Russian peasantry.&quo..."We owe nothing to the Russian peasantry."<br /><br />Well, I'd agree but for..<br /><br /> the one's who threw themselves at the Wehrmacht in their hundreds of thousands thereby defeating the 3rd Reich..<br /><br />and..<br /><br />the ones who'd collectivised even in Marx's own lifetime and caused him to lend qualified support to the Narodniks, overturning his own 'historical' theories in the process and 'allowing' for a revision which allowed for an agrarian revolution, thus inspiring the People's Will to assassinate Alexander II as a result of which the brother of an 18 year old Lenin was hanged..setting in train a revolution that shook the world and scared capitalists across Europe to make concessions to the working class which they repackaged as a reward for the heroes of the trenches.<br /><br />NO doubt about it, the unions and gradualists seized the chance and instituted reforms which benefited everybody. But, I contend it was the shock of the Russian Revolution which spurred the change.<br /><br />"Working hours were reduced to an average 40 hours a week"<br /><br />Yeah, but that was Marx. The 8 hour day was one of the bits of Kapital that was readily digestible. The opening section on commodities is what puts people off..including Harold Wilson who used to boast he'd only ever read the first two pages.<br /><br />Thing is..right now..the bastards have got a free hand. What's gonna stop them turning us all into exploited serfs?...there's even a policy whereby we import a ready made desperate lumpenproletariat to keep us all lean, desperate and divided. Seriously..why couldn't they? What would anyone do..put their faith in solidarity?monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-11012921935365892792009-10-23T23:28:00.097+01:002009-10-23T23:28:00.097+01:00Monkeyfish at 21.57 - couple of points, fella...
...Monkeyfish at 21.57 - couple of points, fella...<br /><br />We owe nothing to the Russian peasantry. Agricultural workers have never been unionised, collectivist or intelligent enough to understand why they are poor and will remain poor. The footsoldiers of the Countryside Alliance are a classic example.<br /><br />And the peasants played a negligible part in the Bolshevik Revolution, a negative one if anything. Which explains the need, as Trostsky saw it, for the elimination of the Kulaks.<br /><br />Secondly, I'm a Marxist because I see history, power relations, economics etc in class terms as set out by Marx. Not sure about your distinction between Marxist and Marxian as a result.<br /><br />As for your argument about the Bolshevik Revolution paving the way for our welfare state, yeh, up to a point. <br /><br />But you're overlooking the reforms (National Insurance Act etc) brought in by the 1906 Liberal Govt, which owed a lot to organised labour in this country, dating back to the 1888-9 dockers and matchgirls strikes, and the formation of the LRC and then the Labour Party between 1900 and 1906.<br /><br />I understand where you're coming from, but I still think that the unions deserve a lot of credit for the welfare state and for making this country a better place to live in for most of us.<br /><br />I posted a comment the other night about how it was no wonder the Left lost its way when we all got colour tvs. It was a bit oblique, so I'll explain in more detail if anyone's interested...<br /><br />The unions and the Labour Party, the forces of social democracy, had been tremendously effective in improving living and working conditions for the poor between 1945 and 1979. Working hours were reduced to an average 40 hours a week, we had the NHS, accident and unemployment insurance, we had something approaching full employment, trade unions were universally recognised and workers' rights along with them, public housing wasn't great but the slums had been cleared, people had money in their pockets and central heating and colour tvs had become more of a norm than outside toilets and rickets.<br /><br />Sadly that was the point at which the intellectual left thought that the class war was over and that the future lay in identity politics. <br /><br />Just because we all had colour tellys it didn't mean that those colour tellys wouldn't be repossessed if we didn't keep up the payments, nor that the gains the organised working class had made were entrenched, set in stone, impervious to a backlash by the rich and powerful who might see the identity politics of the New Left as an open invitation to divide and conquer.<br /><br />You know all this of course, mate. I just needed to have a little rant on here, given that I'm not able to rant at the home of identity politics and well meaning liberal bullshit.HankScorpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13220200282805558779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-695993065346092342009-10-23T23:11:25.555+01:002009-10-23T23:11:25.555+01:00'safety envelope'
dunno why I typed that....'safety envelope'<br /><br />dunno why I typed that..sounds like it's got something to do with bubblewrap.monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-52736151016427555972009-10-23T23:09:38.373+01:002009-10-23T23:09:38.373+01:00Yep, never really heard a good word from anyone of...Yep, never really heard a good word from anyone of that generation for Churchill. Another opportunistic, self-promoting populist aristocratic (sorry) shitbag.<br /><br />Tonypandy, Gallipoli, sacrificing the Lusitania..the old twat loved making people suffer for his own and his class's ends.<br /><br />Here's another couple of crackers about the 'greatest Briton'. Drunk as usual and shown the weekly wartime ration, he said "That'd make a fine meal... don't know what all the fuss is about".<br /><br />Also, he was noted for nonchalantly stepping out for a evening stroll at the height of the blitz period to demonstrate his indefatigable devil-may-care spirit...but only he'd after had advanced clearance from coastal radar stations to give him a 'safety envelope'. The guy was a fuckin fraud.<br /><br />Clement Atlee won the war. He was the brains. Churchill was the moronic drunken figurehead who spent his time composing obsequious letters to Rooseveldt petitioning for concessions which would save the empire.monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-31779019470101537552009-10-23T22:50:48.284+01:002009-10-23T22:50:48.284+01:00Evening Mr Fish. Have you been adding red bull to ...Evening Mr Fish. Have you been adding red bull to the vodka perchance?<br /><br />Your first post about last night's QT is spot on. I said pretty much the same on yesterday's UT thread at 23.25.<br /><br />As for Churchill, well, I'll never get tired of telling the anecdote my dear old nan told me that when he toured Shoreditch during the Blitz to "raise morale", he was met with widespread hostility. He was lucky not to get assailed by powdered egg by all accounts. The wwc knew who Churchill was and what he stood for, and they would have rather stood shoulder to shoulder with the darkies in India and Iraq who dear old Winnie shat on at best, or starved and then bombed at worst, in pursuit of his class interests, than they would with Churchill and the ruling class who still maintain the myth that he was the Greatest Briton.<br /><br />Where was I? Oh yeh...Griffin claiming allegiance with Churchill, and the rest of the QT panel shouting him down...<br /><br />Sums it up really doesn't it? The political centre has moved so far to the right in this country that there's not a single speaker on QT who's prepared to stand up and say, "You're right actually, griffo, you're a racist imperialist fucker, as was Churchill."HankScorpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13220200282805558779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-66370210057251049492009-10-23T22:35:35.853+01:002009-10-23T22:35:35.853+01:00Guess who's back...shady's back...
Yeh, n...Guess who's back...shady's back...<br /><br />Yeh, nice Bonnie Raitt link, scherfig. And just for the record, I didn't say that chicks can't make good music, I said that chicks generally aren't interested in music.<br /><br />I've done a completely unscientific poll of the office today and the results are just in: 100% of blokes agree with me; 90% of women were out shopping for shoes or were too busy reading Bella to respond; 10% of women said they liked Robbie Williams and/or Leona Lewis.<br /><br />Anyway, women making music...<br /><br />This is lovely, and doesn't she look like her mum...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtm4P4ASdqw" rel="nofollow">juniorjune</a><br /><br />An old fave and done with real panache...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiOmhOumh-w" rel="nofollow">badapple</a><br /><br />And one song that's stuck with me since the first time I ever heard it...Just fucking wonderful...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHOIT1ROk8" rel="nofollow">uglyducklings</a>HankScorpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13220200282805558779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-16538519493364620732009-10-23T22:13:24.171+01:002009-10-23T22:13:24.171+01:00A realisation suddenly strikes me. I've been d...A realisation suddenly strikes me. I've been drinking vodka tonight. When I was off on my Irish rant the other night I'd been drinking Guiness...my brain's so finely attuned to alcohol, it seems to pick up on ethnic vibes. Not that I don't stand by tonight's efforts (although I should probably have read them back first).<br /><br />Might nip out for a latte tomorrow and see if CIF will let me back. Or I could even start drinking my own piss and see if Liberal Conspiracy will reinstate me. Seems Sunny Hundal's dropped multiculturalism and become a born again left winger. Notice he has a go at 'leftie twitterers' praising Bonnie Greer. Well, this is for you Sunny...<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/26/climate-camp-climate-change<br /><br />You fuckin hypocritical chancermonkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-79344454420460708662009-10-23T21:55:11.345+01:002009-10-23T21:55:11.345+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-61006727677097837292009-10-23T21:15:25.995+01:002009-10-23T21:15:25.995+01:00I've just watched Question Time and to be hone...I've just watched Question Time and to be honest I thought it was a fuckin shambles. I don't exactly feel sorry for Griffin, turgid little fuckpig that he is, but he seems to have a point about his treatment.<br /><br />The BNP has been used to bolster the credibility of a political class who otherwise have none; who've thrown in the towel and accepted that they're interior designers adding a bit of nuance and character to the capitalist edifice who's design and construction is out of their hands. They sicken me every bit as much as him...and he totally turns my stomach. The BNP is an irrelevance. They've picked up some tiny support from voters who rightly feel unrepresented..but they've still made virtually no impact even though the entire mainstream political class is in disarray and widely loathed.<br /><br />The best they can come up with is: we're anti-fascist. Well so's every other fucker...it's not enough..it's nothing. That's the very least we expect. The Left was always at its best opposing fascism; opposing fascism for what it stood for; not like friggin Churchill who didn't fight fascism. He fought Germany; for his class and to preserve what he could of the Empire.<br /><br />Watching a bunch of craven opportunists shouting down a bumbling dickhead of man and assuming the old Left's anti-fascist mantle in doing so is sickening. The BNP is the best thing that's happened to mainstream politics for years. If the BNP weren't there, they'd have to invent them..which, to a large extent, they have.<br /><br />Having said that, I blame the Left..or rather, those 'Marxists' who managed to read Marx, somehow manged to disregard the economic base and focus on what Marx regarded as the contingent, almost arbitrary, cultural superstucture and decided to change society through language. The structuralists, post-structuralists, deconstructionists, postmodernists, relativists, multiculturalists who decided to get radical with symbols and texts. They'd accepted capitalism as inevitable...unchangeable..even though their philosophy should have been founded on its inherent instability. They accepted the classical economic self-righting 'equilibrium' theory yet still called themselves Marxist cos it felt radical and annoyed mummy and daddy. Even better they decided to free the proletariat from bourgeois values with a critical rereading of texts the proletariat never read in the fuckin first place...everything except Kapital it seems. <br /><br />That's why the postal workers are getting shafted, that's why Beatrix Campbell calls herself a fuckin Marxist, that's why the Guardian thinks of itself as leftwing, that's why...., that's why nobody shouted last night "YOU ONLY GET VOTES BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO TURN ARE GETTING LEGITIMATELY FUCKED BY THIEVING RAPACIOUS BASTARDS WITH THE BLESSING OF MAINSTREAM POLITICIANS"monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-65272886911431763342009-10-23T18:46:25.280+01:002009-10-23T18:46:25.280+01:00Evening possums
I am so tired I gave up eating my...Evening possums<br /><br />I am so tired I gave up eating my pork chop half way through because it was too much effort to chew it... zzZZZZZzzz... where was I? Oh yeah.<br /><br />HANK!<br /><br />That's all.BeautifulBurnouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02904723758901189624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-79895394986038493612009-10-23T18:40:14.941+01:002009-10-23T18:40:14.941+01:00hank
My offspring collectively say your judgement ...hank<br />My offspring collectively say your judgement is flawed there - both on the music knowledge & the possibility of MsChin forgetting your misdemeanor (sp?).MsChinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05534937748072492722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-11829725036046430002009-10-23T18:40:01.553+01:002009-10-23T18:40:01.553+01:00I'm not really into all that S&M stuff lik...I'm not really into all that S&M stuff like most aristos, sheff. Wrong public school obviously (-; Although as I said yesterday, might make an exception for thauma in light of her new avatar.<br /><br />Off out for a few beers. Will be back later, once the pot is properly boling!!HankScorpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13220200282805558779noreply@blogger.com