tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post1613330492597157702..comments2023-05-21T15:20:58.352+01:00Comments on The Untrusted: Daily Chat 24/05/09Montana Wildhackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-12666930310963569792009-05-25T07:39:22.181+01:002009-05-25T07:39:22.181+01:00GP01 yes exactly - except they didn't have investm...GP01 yes exactly - except they didn't have investment portfo;ios in the 70's!annetan42https://www.blogger.com/profile/01250598516297935480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-57506397688375523082009-05-25T03:35:13.357+01:002009-05-25T03:35:13.357+01:00kizbot is the new subject on charlie brookers thre...kizbot is the new subject on charlie brookers thread,,your adoring public calls,,<br /><br />oh right its sunday,,never on a sunday3potato4noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-71145305014479232962009-05-25T00:20:02.980+01:002009-05-25T00:20:02.980+01:00Funny that Anne. Came across many of the same type...Funny that Anne. Came across many of the same type, "trendy lefties", in the 80's. <br /><br />I know precisely what you mean, middle class chatterers going on about positive action for this or that group whiilst at the same time as discussing their investment portfolios & the second home in the south of France.<br /><br />Funny thing is that they all had their private health plans & had mapped out how their kids would be going to the best private schools.<br /><br />Personally, I always thought that the whole idea of a truly equal society was that we should create a world in which you judge a person on their personal merits & not on the basis of their background, gender, race, job, etc., but, hell, what do I know?GP01https://www.blogger.com/profile/01939570472050781066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-63835307985554554552009-05-24T22:29:08.994+01:002009-05-24T22:29:08.994+01:00I don't subscribe to equality of outcome its just ...I don't subscribe to equality of outcome its just that when I first heard about it multiculturalism meant respect all cultures but above all respect our common humanity. The last(and most important!) bit got lost somehow.But yes fundamentally the concept that all men are brothers.<br /><br />It is no surprise that multiculturalism became the monster it is. It has evolved into a very effective version of the divide and rule. Back in the 60's, whatit meant to me was things like not treating someone as stupid because they had a working class or a foreign accent and not forcing white middle class standards of everyone. <br /><br />But yes the monster it has become needs to be stuffed into the dustbin of history! <br /><br />Equality of outcome is risible its a bit 'Fahrenheit 451' isn't it? Of course "The only option is a return to the traditional left wing notion where parity of opportunity and treatment on an individual basis is the benchmark and entitlement is a function of individual need."<br /><br />The guardian is a paper of middle class liberals who like to think they are left wing so of course the will support asinine policies like multiculturism and equality of outcome and and 'positive discrimination'.<br /><br />We shouldn't really be surprised by this because that is where the middle class lefties are at the moment. <br /><br />WE used to call them 'trendies' in the 70's!annetan42https://www.blogger.com/profile/01250598516297935480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-62277589518774048152009-05-24T21:07:09.652+01:002009-05-24T21:07:09.652+01:00BB
I'd leave him to it. The way cif's been acting...BB<br /><br />I'd leave him to it. The way cif's been acting lately, becoming a repository of semi-human crypto-fascists seems a fitting denouement.<br /><br />annetan<br /><br />As far as I can see, multiculturalism / identity politics has got it all the wrong way around. The left used to subscribe (in theory) to a universalism which equated to an equality of opportunity, treatment and entitlement. Equality of outcome is not an ideal which can be achieved through planning or legislation.<br /><br />Equality of outcome is a fatuous notion. The idea that you can look at the consequences of various policies for different racial, religious or cultural groupings and then in turn devise strategies for their equalisation is just not viable. <br /><br />As much as anything, it is unworkable and unpredictable due to the vagaries of fate and the unintended consequence. Also, it leads to a de facto inequity of treatment and opportunity which runs counter to traditional left wing (and indeed liberal) tradition.<br /><br />So as well as breeding resentment, providing succour to a otherwise moribund far right and creating divisions within society which militate against the creation of organised and unified working class movement political, it lacks any coherent, self consistent philosophy.<br /><br />In as far as it has support, it is from the beneficiaries alone: individual groups who might gain in the short term, their (often self-appointed leaders and the largely middle-class administrators and overseers of the system. It can never aspire to mass support.<br /><br />The only option is a return to the traditional left wing notion where parity of opportunity and treatment on an individual basis is the benchmark and entitlement is a function of individual need. Multiculturalism should be dead in the water, it's kept alive by vested interest groups: many of whom, of course, read the Guardian.monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-90893792347279240852009-05-24T21:01:55.121+01:002009-05-24T21:01:55.121+01:00And now we have chickenshit defining his racism as...And now we have chickenshit defining his racism as exploitative:<br />"... wanting my govt to import only as much of the World's over-spill populations which are of direct economic or social benefit to this country ..."MsChinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05534937748072492722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-73594759616337936992009-05-24T20:38:18.541+01:002009-05-24T20:38:18.541+01:00Yikes. I haven't looked at Cohen since last night...Yikes. I haven't looked at Cohen since last night. Some scary people in this world, aren't there?Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-64836663512928149202009-05-24T20:21:46.898+01:002009-05-24T20:21:46.898+01:00mschin
I'm doing my best! That guy is so full of...mschin<br /><br />I'm doing my best! That guy is so full of it, though. "Weasel words" doesn't even begin to describe his style.<br /><br />I wonder if he's Simon Darby? He is certainly too bright to be Lee Barnes.BeautifulBurnouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02904723758901189624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-50321618798618082712009-05-24T19:36:26.464+01:002009-05-24T19:36:26.464+01:00Bloody vile over on Cohen's BNP thread, folks -
"...Bloody vile over on Cohen's BNP thread, folks -<br /><br />"pooroldchicken <br />24 May 09, 7:12pm <br />olching:<br /> Racist pooroldchicken and similar fascist jokers just don't dare articulate their racist views anymore as openly as they used to.<br /><br />Not so. By all contemporary liberal interpretations of Racism, I am most certainly racist. In fact I'd be highly offended if you didn't consider me so. It's a badge of honour to me".mschinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-54912899674847923222009-05-24T18:50:49.855+01:002009-05-24T18:50:49.855+01:00Ha ha, Diana a Marxist heroine! Am not really fami...Ha ha, Diana a Marxist heroine! Am not really familiar with Beatrix Campbell (for a second I got confused and thought she was Beatrix Potter).<br /><br />The Ruth Sunderland thread has got me all steamed up - self-hating misogynist that she seems to be!<br /><br />But nothing can upset me too much today: weather is absolutely beautiful and LEINSTER DID IT - WELL DONE, LADS!<br /><br />(Few nice shots or Horgan's arse didn't hurt either.)thaumaturgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116351419774991352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-9037136520039042482009-05-24T18:29:25.328+01:002009-05-24T18:29:25.328+01:00As I see it a Marxist feminist is one that sees me...As I see it a Marxist feminist is one that sees men as the ruling class.<br /><br />So yes Marxist feminists are - feminists.<br /><br />The proposition is a ludicrous distortion of Marxism.<br /><br />It leads to the sort of policies Nulab are churning out. Apart from maternity services i can't think of a single issue that does not effect men as much as women. I do label myself as a feminist in the context of issues that effect working class women but feel its important to engage men as well as we are stronger united as a class than divided.<br /><br />The old slogan "an injury to one is an injury to all" works for all members of the working class men, women, black, white, asian.<br /><br />As to multiculturalism it has failed because it was implemented in a highly divisive way celebrating differences should mean no discrimination because of differences but it should also have celebrated our common humanity and discouraged the formation of separate communities.<br /><br />The task of the leftseems to me is to start building real class unity across the racial, religious and gender divide,<br /><br />Its not going to happen overnight and its not a project the guardian is really interested in is it?<br /><br />Traditionally it was always a liberal newspaper anyway so its hardly surprising.<br /><br />Remember those CND badges 'cat lovers against the bomb' vegetarians against the bomb' etc. There was one called 'Well meaning guardian readers against the bomb'! That was in the 60's why are we surprised!<br /><br />Having been overtaken by Nulab ideas I'm not sure if 'well meaning' is appropriate any more.annetan42https://www.blogger.com/profile/01250598516297935480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-44595190036925056352009-05-24T17:02:16.189+01:002009-05-24T17:02:16.189+01:00monkeyfish: your pasting of Beatrix Campbell was s...monkeyfish: your pasting of Beatrix Campbell was spot on; well argued etc as we would by now expect. I guess that, in part, is why it’s been deleted. <br /><br />Not saying they’re jealous that some BTL contributors can actually write better than many ATLiners, but you’ve got to wonder.<br /><br />Something you didn’t mention was Campbell’s fawning over Diana fucking Spencer, and her being well up for beatifying her. That’s feminist/Marxism that is, unless it’s Marxist/feminism. Or maybe it’s just nonsense...<br /><br />Hope you and your kids enjoyed your walk in the woods. It’s a lovely sunny Sunday in London. Where are you and what’s it like with you?<br /><br />Bitterweed: liked the joke, but, extending Lenny Bruce’s point that a cocksucker doesn’t have to be a gay man, someone who licks pussy doesn’t have to be a lesbian, do they?<br /><br />If so, I’m obviously REALLY confused about my sexuality and I’ll have to rethink my attitude to Julie Bindel. Don’t know if I could cope.andysayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03939474231538310664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-5895412014542869762009-05-24T16:47:15.715+01:002009-05-24T16:47:15.715+01:00Hi Everybody
I’ve been keeping my nose out of CiF...Hi Everybody<br /><br />I’ve been keeping my nose out of CiF and The Untrusted recently, concentrating on getting my college work done, and thankfully making some progress.<br /><br />So I thought I deserved a little “me time”, this afternoon, and what do I find – I’ve almost missed Bob Dylan’s birthday! I’m sure it’s too late to send him a card now.<br /><br />As I occasionally mention, I was born to the sound of Dylan going electric, and he’s got to be one of my all time heroes.<br /><br />For anyone who’s forgotten what he sounded (and looked) like back then, check this out:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgi2DkDbPU<br /><br />That’s what it’s all about...andysayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03939474231538310664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-87929642484570147552009-05-24T16:36:30.078+01:002009-05-24T16:36:30.078+01:00Happened to me too LordS, not very long ago.. It w...Happened to me too LordS, not very long ago.. It was on the Bindel/Burchill thread. I popped off a quick email querying the deletion of one of my posts. It took em about 12 hrs to reply... but they did, and the post was reinstated...kizbothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00860856864342657278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-75280770959271274552009-05-24T16:24:02.161+01:002009-05-24T16:24:02.161+01:00Bloody hell, Lord S! They must have substitute sta...Bloody hell, Lord S! They must have substitute staff in for the bank holiday weekend.GP01https://www.blogger.com/profile/01939570472050781066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-33635436163490169882009-05-24T15:49:39.779+01:002009-05-24T15:49:39.779+01:00On the subject of moderation, I've just received a...On the subject of moderation, I've just received an email from one of the moderators about the removal of my post on the George Galloway thread (mentioned on an earlier daily thread here) ... I asked what was wrong with it and the reply was essentially "Nothing that I can see. I'll get it reinstated."<br /><br />Result! The system works ... sometimes ;-)LordSummerislenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-5007939892506054972009-05-24T14:39:36.322+01:002009-05-24T14:39:36.322+01:00Bitterweed! really!!!!
Actually really funny! :-D...Bitterweed! really!!!!<br /><br />Actually really funny! :-Dannetan42https://www.blogger.com/profile/01250598516297935480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-6021538754452465782009-05-24T14:37:25.386+01:002009-05-24T14:37:25.386+01:00Hank if you're logged in to t'other place you are ...Hank if you're logged in to t'other place you are automatically logged in here and get a dustbin! <br />:-)annetan42https://www.blogger.com/profile/01250598516297935480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-80411749748187056122009-05-24T13:33:29.806+01:002009-05-24T13:33:29.806+01:00Oops, - I'd better be off then, Mrs Bitterweed.Oops, - I'd better be off then, Mrs Bitterweed.Crafty Geezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-73938377461349529842009-05-24T13:26:41.739+01:002009-05-24T13:26:41.739+01:00:)
See you lot later, off to see me mum
x:)<br />See you lot later, off to see me mum<br />xBitterweedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12290137850441509784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-80453833711726215482009-05-24T13:23:44.324+01:002009-05-24T13:23:44.324+01:00C'mon Villa!!
Yep, second that one. I remember go...C'mon Villa!!<br /><br />Yep, second that one. I remember going to St James' Park (they still can't use apostrophes properly- strangely enough Exeter play at St James's Park)in the early eighties and there were about 5000 people there. Big Club, 'Toon Army' my arse...they're delusional.If they go down, that place will be deserted. Hopefully,they're due a good ol' reality check today.<br /><br />Actually, I've nothing against Geordies, it's just the last two occasions I've been up there, some little twat has ripped off my wing mirror. Musta been through 6 or 7 in the last five years.<br /><br />Thanks for the review BW. You've probably got a point re. the jugular comment but sometimes they ask for it, sometimes I'm hung over, sometimes pissed and the rest of the time it just comes out that way anyway.<br /><br />Taking the kids down the woods in a minute for a game of Hansel and Gretel. They've been grating on me all morning, woke me at at half six to adjudicate on a remote control dispute. They better hope the birds leave the breadcrumbs alone or they're walking home.monkeyfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117567260726533116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-75568162032303588182009-05-24T13:15:13.358+01:002009-05-24T13:15:13.358+01:00Bitterweed!
Mouth! Soap!
Goodness me!Bitterweed!<br />Mouth! Soap!<br />Goodness me!kizbothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00860856864342657278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-18015987201055920152009-05-24T13:00:21.935+01:002009-05-24T13:00:21.935+01:00Heard about the lesbian dinosaur ?
Lickalotopus
...Heard about the lesbian dinosaur ?<br /><br />Lickalotopus<br /><br />...<br /><br />Sorry.Bitterweedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12290137850441509784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-69875701733338143582009-05-24T12:59:54.051+01:002009-05-24T12:59:54.051+01:00Cheers scherfig.
Right, I'm off to enjoy the suns...Cheers scherfig.<br /><br />Right, I'm off to enjoy the sunshine. Have a good day, all, and<br /><br />C'mon Villa!!Hanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-34803783989472444292009-05-24T12:51:17.343+01:002009-05-24T12:51:17.343+01:00Yes please mate.Yes please mate.Hanknoreply@blogger.com