tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post1338375732120942951..comments2023-05-21T15:20:58.352+01:00Comments on The Untrusted: 27/02/10Montana Wildhackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-39838044856052587942010-02-28T10:03:22.890+00:002010-02-28T10:03:22.890+00:00Hank; good thinking on saving HomagetoCatatonia...Hank; good thinking on saving HomagetoCatatonia's Rawnsley posts - there are fewer deletions than expected, but yours are included.<br /><br />Thanks for the pasting, Montana - and for the elegant use of the 'Yes Minister' hypothetical on the Barbara Ellen thread!PeterJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16395768714207313299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-55754002351640850122010-02-28T02:26:59.529+00:002010-02-28T02:26:59.529+00:001DC2
28 Feb 2010, 2:09AM
I guess Rawnsley would h...<i>1DC2<br />28 Feb 2010, 2:09AM<br /><br />I guess Rawnsley would have had his hands full and his head demented because if Brown hadn't bailed out the financial sector Rawnsley would have had to write up anger reports for the millions of people, British citizens that is, going buck mad when their savings got wiped out.<br /><br />Then the Guardian and not just Rawnsley would have witnessed, and may still do, some serious mass anger that of the mob that would make Brown's anger pale into significance, in fact it would make us all sentimental to have only that!<br /><br />The success of society, any society, is based on its resources.<br /><br />Don't people get it, the financial sector has blown close to £1trillion pounds worth of Britain's resources.<br /><br />Anger? We may well see proper angry the level of which may well be so severe that Cameron may not see out his expected Tory term in office.</i>Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-66381122458829899932010-02-28T02:25:04.759+00:002010-02-28T02:25:04.759+00:00PeterJackson
28 Feb 2010, 2:04AM
The smugness and...<i>PeterJackson<br />28 Feb 2010, 2:04AM<br /><br />The smugness and sanctimony just ooze over this piece, leaving us all stickier than when we started reading.<br /><br />Squalid, slimy stuff.</i>Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-69287530229204087092010-02-28T02:16:00.113+00:002010-02-28T02:16:00.113+00:00JoeMorgan
28 Feb 2010, 12:50AM
Yes we get it: You...<i>JoeMorgan<br />28 Feb 2010, 12:50AM<br /><br />Yes we get it: You love Blair.<br /><br />Can you fuck off to the Mail now please?</i>Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-19003697257946440362010-02-28T02:15:22.463+00:002010-02-28T02:15:22.463+00:00princesschipchops
28 Feb 2010, 12:57AM
I really w...<i>princesschipchops<br />28 Feb 2010, 12:57AM<br /><br />I really would hate to see the Observer fail and the Guardian. They are a bit of an institution in my family and one of my early memories are of my mum and dad and grandparents sat around after sunday lunch reading the Observer.<br /><br />But seven people I know, that buy it regularly have said they will stop doing so since these revelations. The fact is some very unsavoury characters came out in 'support' of this book - such as the charity Pratt. It makes the paper seem a bit shoddy and also some feel that it betryated New Labour. Now that doesn't bother me a jot as New Labour are dire but I think that if the polls next week show some serious damage and a swing to the Tories, due to this gossip, then we have to start asking ourselves if the Observer has joined most of the rest of the press in becoming a Tory rag.</i>Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-63507750368242822852010-02-28T02:13:54.933+00:002010-02-28T02:13:54.933+00:001DC2
28 Feb 2010, 12:57AM
You know Brown is prett...<i>1DC2<br />28 Feb 2010, 12:57AM<br /><br />You know Brown is pretty much blind, and has been through the collapse of the financial sector and had to put up with Blair. Angry - who can blame him?<br /><br />Blair the man who is now out as a full Christian, who didn't during his time in office do God, but he did really, he filtered his political decisions through a relgious politicial philosophy domestically anyway, only to then carry out a Nietzschean foreign policy war in Iraq and Afghanistan.<br /><br />Nietzschean in the sense of: values plus will. The value of democracy and anti-terror via the extreme will of the bomb and bullet - the complete antithesis to religious philosophy. And Blair wondered why people thought he was mentally ill and confused. One hand Christian philosophy the other Nietzsche - "our values are worth fighting for".<br /><br />So - yes - Brown got angry and lost his temper - perhaps if you were blinded and had to take responsibility for those miserable, conniving, multi-billion pound wasters, the billion-pound resource blowers in the financial sector - I guess you might well clearly lose it too.<br /><br />Now if you'll excuse me, Mr Fluff is about to be elected, Mr Cameron, another sucker about to have his eye wiped by international capitalism while the plebs on the street lose their jobs and those that don't will be taxed to the hilt.<br /><br />Angry and bad tempered - aren't we all - what planet are you on Rawnsley because I want to come to it?</i>Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-15410381874045040772010-02-28T02:12:04.562+00:002010-02-28T02:12:04.562+00:00JedBartlett
28 Feb 2010, 1:04AM
'As for me, i...<i>JedBartlett<br />28 Feb 2010, 1:04AM<br /><br />'As for me, it has been brought home more starkly than ever before that there are two faces to politics ? the rituals played out on TV screens for the consumption of voters and the reality behind the scenes.'<br /><br />No - increasingly it is not played out for the consumption of voters but for the entertainment of the bloated media who, if not fed, feed on politics. That your book got so much media attention is a sad testament of how far the media has become obsessed with personality over substance.<br /><br />The voters are not as stupid as you think they are, of course it is known that politicians do not always like each other.<br /><br />Please don't insult me by pretending that this is in the public interest (as opposed to of interest to the public). The media, including you are not Servants of the People. You are serving nothing but yourself.<br /><br />Incidentally, are you aware of any bullying and personality clashes at media outlets - just out of interest.</i>Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-84254861659492531322010-02-28T02:09:41.922+00:002010-02-28T02:09:41.922+00:00Also from Rawnsley thread:
xpressanny
28 Feb 2010...Also from Rawnsley thread:<br /><br /><i>xpressanny<br />28 Feb 2010, 1:29AM<br /><br />Well done Princesschipchops as i always enjoy your pieces. Brilliant. I like your piece 1DC2 as it echoes my sentiments but written so wonderfully that I'm sitting in awe.<br /><br />I wish this useless waste of space would shuffle off somewhere else. I find myself utterly astonished by his gall and arrogance. I have said it before, and at the risk of being utterly boring and predictable, it is nothing more than a "set up". PCC is absolutely right. If the polls change dramatically in favour of the Tories this week then we certainly do know where to put the blame. I find it inconceivably that this dipstick is still being allowed to publish this garbage in TWO newspapers with absolutely no proof being given whatsoever. How can the Guardian publish this stinker. It reeks as that which you would find at the rubbish dump. Actually it is, to my mind, the only place where this book should be going.<br /><br />Sadly, people will believe it and of course that is the "game" Rawnsley is playing. As 1DC2 put it, we will end up with Mr Fluff and watch as thousands of innocent people join the dole queue and those of us still with jobs will indeed be taxed to death. Of course this odious man will not have to face such horrors. No he will still be raking in the money from his ill-gotten gains. Let's face it, he's no better than the filthy thieving bankers and thieving MPs. Disgusting, pathetic little man.<br /><br />By the way Rawnsley, Osborne said today that if he becomes chancellor he will be immediately cutting back on public spending and thus putting thousands of people out of work. This will of course mean that we will see a decline in all public services. The fragile economy will then see an even worse recession than we have now. And my fear is that we may never recover from it. If Osborne does as he threatens we will all be looking over the precipice of economic collapse. And this is the man you will be helping to elect.<br /><br />Nice one, you utter waste of space! I hope the royalties from your book chokes you.</i>Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-30660613430030028762010-02-28T02:07:15.397+00:002010-02-28T02:07:15.397+00:00From Rawnsley thread:
HomageToCatatonia
28 Feb 20...From Rawnsley thread:<br /><br /><i>HomageToCatatonia<br />28 Feb 2010, 1:35AM<br /><br />This is the point at which the Observer jumped the shark.<br /><br />Fuck them, fuck Rawnsley and fuck the New Labour fuckers who've been squabbling amongst themselves.<br /><br />I've always voted Labour because I thought it was a social democratic party, and I've always bought the Guardian and the Observer because I thought they adhered to similar values.<br /><br />I lost faith in NL as a social democratic party a long time ago, some time around the point at which Blair kneeled in prayer with Bush to get the head's up from God for the invasion of Iraq.<br /><br />Rawnsley of course supported the Iraq adventure, as did the Observer.<br /><br />Why? How could any social democrat or any liberal justify the invasion of Iraq? It was an old fashioned war of plunder, justified by idiots like Cohen and Rawnsley who tried to convince us that we were taking the oilfields becaue we had a moral right to them because Saddam killed innocent people.<br /><br />And then Rawnsley seeks to make money by perpetuating the lie about Iraq?<br /><br />And the Guardian and the Observer support his book launch?<br /><br />This is truly shameful.</i>Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-46371799757393397162010-02-28T02:00:00.642+00:002010-02-28T02:00:00.642+00:00Any particular comments, Mr. Scorpio?
Not sure if...Any particular comments, Mr. Scorpio?<br /><br />Not sure if I can stomach a BE column, Peter. But I'll try.Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-45172719875136463772010-02-28T01:51:34.442+00:002010-02-28T01:51:34.442+00:00Haven't looked yet, Hank - perhaps the crossne...Haven't looked yet, Hank - perhaps the crossness will come in handy.PeterJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16395768714207313299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-2167032424375297742010-02-28T01:49:07.356+00:002010-02-28T01:49:07.356+00:00Shit. Could somebody else please give Barbara Elle...Shit. Could somebody else please give Barbara Ellen more of a shoeing? I'm too cross to be polite any more.PeterJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16395768714207313299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-12523926440726422802010-02-28T01:48:10.753+00:002010-02-28T01:48:10.753+00:00Okey dokey - who's got cut and paste powers? T...Okey dokey - who's got cut and paste powers? The Rawnsley thread will see a lot of deletions, and I'd like to think some of the posts will be saved for posterity.HankScorpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13220200282805558779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-83526808932044345182010-02-28T01:33:07.108+00:002010-02-28T01:33:07.108+00:00Well then let's get it sorted. Meantime, got ...Well then let's get it sorted. Meantime, got a lunchtime gig tomorrow (later today actually)<br /><br />Night<br /><br />For you<br /><br />Some day x<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGAFOz5GA8I&feature=autofbBitterweedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12290137850441509784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-88125470181541583962010-02-28T01:21:43.974+00:002010-02-28T01:21:43.974+00:00I'm liking the sound of this more all the time...I'm liking the sound of this more all the time. Chariots, trebuchets. And, of course, we can't forget the pigs.<br /><br />Bitterweed -- there will be no coming back this way for me the next time I get over there. I have promised myself. Next time is permanent.Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-9050918607715788982010-02-28T01:21:26.770+00:002010-02-28T01:21:26.770+00:00Arse Sheff !
Check this for medieval rocking.
htt...Arse Sheff !<br />Check this for medieval rocking.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmIID8lY2qc&feature=related<br /><br />Huzzaha !!Bitterweedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12290137850441509784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-81841268698081664922010-02-28T01:11:44.595+00:002010-02-28T01:11:44.595+00:00Definitely chariots Leni and Trebuchets as well. ...Definitely chariots Leni and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet" rel="nofollow">Trebuchets</a> as well. But instead of using dead donkeys to fling over the walls we'll use dead politicians. Should keep us going for a while.Sheffpixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09683877609100026566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-28108954837308179682010-02-28T01:11:01.736+00:002010-02-28T01:11:01.736+00:00MW, you have to get the flight over when yr rewady...MW, you have to get the flight over when yr rewady. You can head home after the funeral. Meanwhile check these guys - this is my kind of folk.<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw6aLdeNWKU&feature=related<br />Fuck yeh.Bitterweedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12290137850441509784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-54812009025485451292010-02-28T01:03:01.131+00:002010-02-28T01:03:01.131+00:00Montana
Can I have a chariot with scythes on the ...Montana<br /><br />Can I have a chariot with scythes on the wheels?<br /><br />Yes the chaps can join us - someone has to do the cooking.Lenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01755748505260253288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-63328633396152845922010-02-28T01:01:24.472+00:002010-02-28T01:01:24.472+00:00Sheff -- I'm all for letting the guys help, as...Sheff -- I'm all for letting the guys help, as long as they can keep up.<br /><br />Bitterweed -- nice. I look forward to it. But how are we going to get me over there?Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-80480201606559314932010-02-28T00:51:51.421+00:002010-02-28T00:51:51.421+00:00Montana
When you get to the UK, I will watch Withn...Montana<br />When you get to the UK, I will watch Withnail, & I with you.<br /><br />We will laugh like drains.<br /><br />Until then, here's <br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXAQc47hA5A&feature=PlayList&p=C8D7DB87916041E8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=20" rel="nofollow">this</a> xxxBitterweedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12290137850441509784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-31769543081476540362010-02-28T00:48:25.207+00:002010-02-28T00:48:25.207+00:00Montana
Okey dokey - thats three of us then - and...Montana<br /><br />Okey dokey - thats three of us then - and I think we can count on MsC, BB, Anne, Thauma, Princess and Phillipa. Shall we ask the chaps to join us?Sheffpixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09683877609100026566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-86544823363983747842010-02-28T00:45:25.613+00:002010-02-28T00:45:25.613+00:00Nice
Here's this from true intinerant musical...Nice<br /><br />Here's this from true intinerant musical genius Lhasa de Sela. She died this new year. A tremendous loss.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9UxevnYcecBitterweedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12290137850441509784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-2989783226996621652010-02-28T00:35:55.173+00:002010-02-28T00:35:55.173+00:00OK girls - I'll sharpen me sword. Something h...OK girls - I'll sharpen me sword. Something has to change.<br /><br />Hank<br /><br />Just found one of her posts - about GOOD children. Couldn't really face any of the ethics thread - moralising from criminals beyond the reach of the law just might cause an attack of intemperate language. I have worked with children deemed not GOOD - tended to be not wanted either.Lenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01755748505260253288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1141707904735688626.post-10107123180076301352010-02-28T00:30:54.656+00:002010-02-28T00:30:54.656+00:00Aw, c'mon, Sheff! We're woman enough for ...Aw, c'mon, Sheff! We're woman enough for the job, aren't we?Montana Wildhackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409705185204787671noreply@blogger.com